Love the iPad Pro.. But!

[Robnsn2015]

I understand all of that, but I think that a lot of less "techie" people, so to speak, will be among those asking, "why should I pay $1000 for something that still isn't a full computer?"

People are already spending nearly $1,000 for something that still isn't a full computer. Have you seen the full price of an iPhone 6s Plus?

For many people, the smartphone has become their primary personal computer. And those people use those smartphones as laptop replacements for most of their personal use cases despite the fact that smartphones generally don't have file managers (although there are some optional file managers for Android). For them, the main limitation of their smartphone is the size of the screen. The iPad Pro gives them the iOS environment that they are accustomed to plus a massive screen. If recent history is any indicator, the current iPad Pro will drop in price in the next year or two, which will make it more affordable to more people.

 

[joeblow7777]

Not even a little bit true, but people like you that don't understand basic concepts of Apps = Features will continue to propagate myths.

Why would I EVER want a "file management system" instead of iCloud Drive/Dropbox? Any App has the ability to Open from or Save to any of these cloud based file systems.

Nobody says that, except internet trolls trying to make non-points.

In the real world it has already become "Why would I pay $1000+ for something that doesn't have a touch screen, doesn't have an App store with millions of high quality apps, and doesn't have location services, and doesn't have flash storage, and doesn't have LTE and doesn't have etc.etc.etc.etc."

Clearly we have a difference in opinion and experiences. That doesn't make mine any less valid or true than yours.

 

[joeblow7777]

Non-techie people don't know what to do with a full computer even if they have one. Ask my Aunt or
Uncle what they ever did with their full desktop computer other than email and Skype with their grandkids.

Which is why they could buy a $250 Chromebook and be satisfied. There are so many less expensive options if all you want is skype and email. You're right. My older relatives wouldn't know what to do with a full computer, and that's why when I show them a $1000+ ultrabook and a sub-$300 Chromebook/budget PC they say "I don't see what the first one is doing that they second one isn't, so why would I pay three times more?"

 

[BrennerM]

I would love if Apple made a Finder-like app for iOS that was completely optional but allowed power users to be able to see the files in all of their applications and do stuff with those files, including searching, copying/moving files between applications, to/from cloud services, etc. Ideally even moving files to/from a USB key or SD card if you have the camera connection kit. The difficult part would probably be enforcing rules so that you can't copy a file into an application that simply can't handle that file and would cause errors in the app.

 

[maflynn]

I would love if Apple made a Finder-like app for iOS that was completely optional but allowed power users to be able to see the files in all of their applications and do stuff with those files,

I don't think apple is about to do that, as it cuts across the design philosophy of iOS. unless they're going to expose the file system to the end user, I don't think they easily create a file manager for iOS.

 

[xPad]

Don't tell me. Tell Tim Cook.

Why not? I think he knows that the iPad Pro is not a laptop replacement for everyone. In fact, in the interview you are referencing, he explicitly stated "for some people".

I think that's also implied by the fact that his company sells a variety of Macs as well as other-sized iPads.

 

[joeblow7777]

Why not? I think he knows that the iPad Pro is not a laptop replacement for everyone. In fact, in the interview you are referencing, he explicitly stated "for some people".

I think that's also implied by the fact that his company sells a variety of Macs as well as other-sized iPads.

“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones."

- Tim Cook

 

[xPad]

“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones."

- Tim Cook

You're right, many people, sorry. But the fact still stands.

As for PC, he was referring to Windows PCs. Which Apple does not make.

But what he's absolutely not saying is that there aren't people for whom iPads aren't suitable laptop replacements.

 

[Robnsn2015]

But really, why does anyone need a Windows PC except for specific work-related reasons (like my livelihood depends on MS software)?

 

[joeblow7777]

You're right, many people, sorry. But the fact still stands.

As for PC, he was referring to Windows PCs. Which Apple does not make.

I think you're splitting hairs with the distinction between a PC and a Mac. They both do the same things. Cook isn't saying that "many people" just need an iPad Pro and a Mac, but no PC. He explicitly refers to people only needing the Pro and their phone.

But yes, I understand that no one is saying that everyone can replace their computer with the Pro.

 

[Robnsn2015]

But there really are many people who can get by on an iPad Pro and a smartphone. In fact, smartphones have become the primary personal computer for a lot of people. The smartphone's only limitation for them is the size of the screen. The iPad Pro can solve that for them.

 

[MagicHAM]

Love the iPad pro pro again the only thing that really is the draw back is the grid for the icons, there should have been more flexibility in putting icons in groups or something. But that being said, it's like a small annoyance but i love the Pro. It's exactly what i just needed. iPad Air 2 will be sold eventually!

One small annoyance, but the other 99.9% is favourable to the iPad.

Don't think it will serve as a replacement for my MacBook but work alongside it, I think.

 

[prospervic]

iCab browser for iPad allows you to download files. It also allows you to change the Browser ID to make websites think you are using a Mac (or *cough* a PC).

 

[tdale]

I think your doing a disservice to many ipad users. Yes they are intelligent and I'd go out on a limb and say most of the iPad users also use desktop/laptop computers and know how to deal with a file system.

I think at this point people accept that most consumers know how to save, download, copy, and open a file on a computer. The fact that out of the box the iPad doesn't allow this, only hamstrings its overall usefulness. Yes there are apps to help with this, but they are a work arounds, and consumers have to know about the specific apps.

Either way, the person has to adjust to the iPad and not the other way around. It used to be that Apple made products that allowed you to work the way you wanted to work and not get in the way. Not so much any more.

I agree. You in fact have to use some thought, intelligence, Googling, just to do seemingly normal things. Maybe iOS requires a higher intelligence user as you have to work to make it work

Take torrents. You can download them on an iPad, google it. Its 8 steps, involving an app, a website, and clunking it all together,but it can be done. But way too much effort. Why not just allow a torrent app? I could download much easier on my Mac and iOS allows me to move the file over.

 

[tdale]

iCab browser for iPad allows you to download files. It also allows you to change the Browser ID to make websites think you are using a Mac (or *cough* a PC).

Why? Another workaround to make iOS work. Better they turned off the Safari restriction to allow us to use the iPad. But on another forum Ive been told that Apple knows what I want, not me

 

[tdale]

Goodreader or any other number of apps that will fill in a local file system. They actually serve a great purpose. And since I have been using goodreader since the first iPad, it is second nature.

Exactly. iOS is app based, the file system is in each app, and GR shows how this should be done. Remove the silly restrictions in iOS that cause us to make workarounds, or cease to use it, and you'd have a laptop capable tablet.

 

[haruhiko]

I would love if Apple made a Finder-like app for iOS that was completely optional but allowed power users to be able to see the files in all of their applications and do stuff with those files, including searching, copying/moving files between applications, to/from cloud services, etc. Ideally even moving files to/from a USB key or SD card if you have the camera connection kit. The difficult part would probably be enforcing rules so that you can't copy a file into an application that simply can't handle that file and would cause errors in the app.

It sounds like the iCloud drive app. You need to enable it from the settings. But it's displaying files from iCloud drive instead of local files.

 

[Robnsn2015]

Why? Another workaround to make iOS work. Better they turned off the Safari restriction to allow us to use the iPad. But on another forum Ive been told that Apple knows what I want, not me

Apple knows what most iOS customers want, not what you want. That's why they made the MacBook.

 

[maflynn]

Apple knows what most iOS customers want, not what you want. That's why they made the MacBook.

That just seems to go against the grain of my opinion of apple. They do things their way, they're not interested in doing focus groups and finding the opinion of the majority. Rather they dictate how it will be used, many times that has stuck a positive chord with the consumers, but not always.

 

[sdz]

iCloud. Dropbox. Box. Google Drive. Even with my complex professional life that's more file management systems than I need.

So you don't work with Customer Data I assume? (privacy...)

 

[artfossil]

So you don't work with Customer Data I assume? (privacy...)

Privacy issues with student information so I use my university's enterprise version of Box, which also is free, for working with student data or for having students submit work.

 

[sdz]

Privacy issues with student information so I use my university's enterprise version of Box, which also is free, for working with student data or for having students submit work.

Fair point.

 

[KPOM]

Exactly, this tablet would of made much more sense if it ran OSX

No it would not. It would be worse than Windows 8. It would be better if Apple expanded iOS' functionality rather than bolt Touch capabilities onto a 15-year old non-touch OS and crammed Intel processors into the iPad Pro.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Clearly we have a difference in opinion and experiences. That doesn't make mine any less valid or true than yours.

A lack of understanding is not a difference of opinion.

 

[TurboPGT!]

So you don't work with Customer Data I assume? (privacy...)

You store customer data on local machines!? iOS devices no less? Try again.