Loving UNLIMITED att 4G, LTE. Will you use it as your primary connection now?

[tbayrgs]

Are you an employee of AT&T? Do you set policy for AT&T? Are you a spokesperson for AT&T?

This thread is both amusing and disturbing. AT&T has already made a statement that it does not intend to throttle data usage on the iPad the way it does on mobile phones. I wish they would say why one is different than the other, because that seems to be the cause for so many lemmings here to make statements like the one above.

If it says "unlimited" on the label, then it's unlimited. If AT&T throttles a user over a specific bandwidth usage, it does not impede the traffic of anyone else under that mark. So whining about someone who gets throttled is useless, because it does not impact anyone else.

Use your service as you need it.

And you believe AT&T?

The response you're criticizing is in response to someone who is clearly abusing his plan (tethering on unlimited which isn't possible unless you jailbreak, allowing his entire office to tether to it). That's not within the limits of his 'unlimited' contract, so no, unlimited is unlimited, as you so eloquently put it. And no, throttling one user at a limit doesn't affect the traffic of anyone else directly but a significant number of users abusing their plans causing AT&T to imposing a limit at which throttling start DOES affect others as they're a big different between 3 and 60 GB. Those users have now screwed it for others who may only be using 4, 5, 10 GB within the bounds of their contracts.

 

[UrsaMajor]

I really don't get all the hatin on this. i was clear, I have been paying on unlimited for near 2 years now. Others on here are clearly violating terms when they tether and stuff. I ain't doing that. Typical daily usage, that's all. Nowhere did I read that I was required to use wifi "most of the time."

I paid, like many others to get unlimited usage. They decided to cut it off just weeks into it and screw people. If I skipped a month it would be gone forever.
I should expect att to hold up their end. If I used a cap plan with overages I would be paying those fees.

So if I owed AT&T money what would they do? Come after me for collections, I'm sure. So they OWE me my unlimited. Unlimited cell was the selling issue for me getting an iPad to begin with. Im just doing my thing, if they cause a stink I'll fight them. I'm in the right, totally legit use and in fair use of terms. Someone else sued and won over this.

 

[JonMPLS]

Back to the original post . . . I am out in the country, so have DSL instead of cable. ATT 4G is WAY faster than my WiFi/DSL! Kind of fun (while it lasts)

 

[doboy]

I really don't get all the hatin on this. i was clear, I have been paying on unlimited for near 2 years now. Others on here are clearly violating terms when they tether and stuff. I ain't doing that. Typical daily usage, that's all. Nowhere did I read that I was required to use wifi "most of the time."

I paid, like many others to get unlimited usage. They decided to cut it off just weeks into it and screw people. If I skipped a month it would be gone forever.
I should expect att to hold up their end. If I used a cap plan with overages I would be paying those fees.

So if I owed AT&T money what would they do? Come after me for collections, I'm sure. So they OWE me my unlimited. Unlimited cell was the selling issue for me getting an iPad to begin with. Im just doing my thing, if they cause a stink I'll fight them. I'm in the right, totally legit use and in fair use of terms. Someone else sued and won over this.

You can feel entitled all you want, but AT&T has the final word. I'm sure you agreed to their terms of agreement that most likely included their rights to throttle or terminate the service for "abuse." It doesn't matter what our definition of the abuse is because they go by their own.
You may have a case for a lawsuit if they throttle you below 3GB since new plan includes 3GB for $30.

 

[nowstime]

AT&T stated that they will throttle at 3GB for 3G and 5GB for LTE for PHONES...iPad is considered a computer so AT&T said they do not have any plans to throttle the iPad...(YET)

Enjoy the unlimited data while you can...of course please don't abuse it on purpose though...

 

[EnderTW]

AT&T stated that they will throttle at 3GB for 3G and 5GB for LTE for PHONES...iPad is considered a computer so AT&T said they do not have any plans to throttle the iPad...(YET)

Enjoy the unlimited data while you can...of course please don't abuse it on purpose though...

This is correct. I have a huge feeling they will start to throttle within the next 6 months.

 

[aristobrat]

Someone else sued and won over this.

It was a pointless win, IMO. IIRC, the dude won something like $850 (which essentially covered his monthly bill of the remainder of his contract), but he didn't win anything that made AT&T have to stop throttling him.

 

[UrsaMajor]

You can feel entitled all you want, but AT&T has the final word. I'm sure you agreed to their terms of agreement that most likely included their rights to throttle or terminate the service for "abuse." It doesn't matter what our definition of the abuse is because they go by their own.
You may have a case for a lawsuit if they throttle you below 3GB since new plan includes 3GB for $30.

No the final word is the law and terms of the contract which have not changed for me. Why is everyone defending AT&T? Especially when they're wrong.

I have a case to sue if they throttle me at 20gb/mo. I have unlimited and am entitled to what I paid for. If they do send a message about anything I'll simply have them overturn it.

Under a cap plan with $10/gb overages 20gb would equal $200 a month. Screw that! But I'm sure they would gladly take my overage money and not throttle that.

 

[Dorkington]

No matter what they say *now*, in a couple months they will start throttling unlimited connections at a certain data point.

They did the same thing with unlimited iPhone plans.

 

[aristobrat]

No the final word is the law and terms of the contract which have not changed for me. Why is everyone defending AT&T? Especially when they're wrong.

First off, re-read your contract again. A ton of people with iPhones and unlimited plans said the exact same thing you're saying, and they were proven wrong:

Clauses in AT&T Contracts Have Always Provided for Limits on 'Unlimited' Data Plans

Also, I think your thread title implying that you're going to use your LTE iPad as your main connection instead of WiFi doesn't sit well with a lot of other folks currently on unlimited plans that realize the likelihood of the unlimited plan staying unlimited depends on people NOT using them for literally 24/7 data.

 

[doboy]

No the final word is the law and terms of the contract which have not changed for me. Why is everyone defending AT&T? Especially when they're wrong.

I have a case to sue if they throttle me at 20gb/mo. I have unlimited and am entitled to what I paid for. If they do send a message about anything I'll simply have them overturn it.

Under a cap plan with $10/gb overages 20gb would equal $200 a month. Screw that! But I'm sure they would gladly take my overage money and not throttle that.

No one is defending AT&T, including me. People just don't want AT&T to start throttling because some people feel entitled and start using it as their main internet connection.

 

[rman726]

I really don't get all the hatin on this. i was clear, I have been paying on unlimited for near 2 years now. Others on here are clearly violating terms when they tether and stuff. I ain't doing that. Typical daily usage, that's all. Nowhere did I read that I was required to use wifi "most of the time."

I paid, like many others to get unlimited usage. They decided to cut it off just weeks into it and screw people. If I skipped a month it would be gone forever.
I should expect att to hold up their end. If I used a cap plan with overages I would be paying those fees.

So if I owed AT&T money what would they do? Come after me for collections, I'm sure. So they OWE me my unlimited. Unlimited cell was the selling issue for me getting an iPad to begin with. Im just doing my thing, if they cause a stink I'll fight them. I'm in the right, totally legit use and in fair use of terms. Someone else sued and won over this.

The problem is you have zero rights because you aren't on a contract. Therefore, AT&T can do whatever they want. The only thing AT&T is obligated to do is to give you unlimited LTE for the rest of the month that you paid for. After that, they can refuse to offer the unlimited plan at all. AT&T has no obligation to continue offering unlimited plans to you just because you supported them for the last two years. In the eyes of the law, AT&T will be portrayed as being the good guys by just offering you unlimited data for so long after they stopped offering it to new subscribers.

And honestly, I think with people like you that use 30GB a month, that is what they are going to do. They aren't going to throttle you. One month when your current month is up, you will get an email from them that will tell you: "Dear customer, We regret to inform you that the unlimited plan that you are currently signed up for has been discontinued. If you wish to continue using AT&T, you must choose from the following options:" I'm not trying to paint you as a villain or anything or say that you are abusing it like some people who are going to tether their iPad to their computer and use 100GB in a month. Your 30GB may be completely legitimate in your eyes with no tethering at all. But you and others who use a lot of data are probably going to ruin it for yourselves.

First off, re-read your contract again. A ton of people with iPhones and unlimited plans said the exact same thing you're saying, and they were proven wrong:

Clauses in AT&T Contracts Have Always Provided for Limits on 'Unlimited' Data Plans

Also, I think your thread title implying that you're going to use your LTE iPad as your main connection instead of WiFi doesn't sit well with a lot of other folks currently on unlimited plans that realize the likelihood of the unlimited plan staying unlimited depends on people NOT using them for literally 24/7 data.

The problem is: He doesn't have a contract. He like all other unlimited iPad users are on a month to month basis. His contract ends after his 30 days are up. At that point, he can create a new contract with AT&T. And at that point, AT&T can decide that they will be nice and allow him to continue using unlimited data for being a past unlimited data customer, or they can not. As I said above, in the future, he will probably be signing a new 30 day contract that gives him unlimited data with throttling, or doesn't even offer him unlimited at all. The only reason the guy won $860 was because he still had $860 to pay AT&T to cover the length of his contract.

 

[iMaconApple]

Love my 4G iPad 32Gab AT&T.. I can live with 30$/50$ 3GB/5GB data a month..I don't really use the phone part on my iPhone much just data=iMessage/web/VoIP/ect.. Got wifi at work and most places near me has it..most the time I use data on my phone is to stream pandora while I'm driving..I can ditch my iPhone a get a cheap pre paid phone..data/streaming/iCloud blah blah is the future..but I think carriers need to have more GB and better price on data plans..250mb 15$ AT&T come on that's like 5 YouTube clips .. Also need roller over data use..I wouldn't mind having a iPod touch with 3/4G 30/50$ a month oh yeah that's a good deal..maybe next iPod touch will have it but won't have the iPhones better specs maybe just the cameras and iPod to have more memory..

 

[UrsaMajor]

First off, re-read your contract again. A ton of people with iPhones and unlimited plans said the exact same thing you're saying, and they were proven wrong:

Clauses in AT&T Contracts Have Always Provided for Limits on 'Unlimited' Data Plans

Also, I think your thread title implying that you're going to use your LTE iPad as your main connection instead of WiFi doesn't sit well with a lot of other folks currently on unlimited plans that realize the likelihood of the unlimited plan staying unlimited depends on people NOT using them for literally 24/7 data.

"AT&T reserves the right to (i) limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny Service and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless network."

You could drive a truck through that wording. Very broad and overreaching. It's like saying I can do anything lawful or unlawful today if the sun shines.

A manner would be tethering or somehow hacking. Say if I ran two pads or more on the same account.

Since its 2012, our new pads have better screens, use more data, and technology has progressed, One can assume that you would normally use more data that 2 years ago. When they built LTE they were expecting more data transfer, why else build it? We're only getting a fraction of the speed LTE is built for anyway. I'm just using 4G right now, not even the LTE. I had NO OPTION to keep 3G.

If they wanted to limit 3G unlimitied usage they simply would have said, you're only getting 3G speeds for $30. I would have accepted that, but they didn't even offer. So here I am stuck with 4G LTE unlimited. So All I assume is technology has improved, my speed is faster and life goes on. I am a loyal AT&T customer.

If they ever try to throttle me, I will only accept 3G speeds or greater. That's what I pay for.

For others, They should offer new tiers of more GB capped service for the same price too.

 

[aypues]

It's people like this that f things up for the rest of us.

Agreed! Some people are so self-absorbed.

 

[wbeem]

And you believe AT&T?

The response you're criticizing is in response to someone who is clearly abusing his plan (tethering on unlimited which isn't possible unless you jailbreak, allowing his entire office to tether to it). That's not within the limits of his 'unlimited' contract, so no, unlimited is unlimited, as you so eloquently put it. And no, throttling one user at a limit doesn't affect the traffic of anyone else directly but a significant number of users abusing their plans causing AT&T to imposing a limit at which throttling start DOES affect others as they're a big different between 3 and 60 GB. Those users have now screwed it for others who may only be using 4, 5, 10 GB within the bounds of their contracts.

Well, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The Tether app was in the iTunes store, but removed. Now, Tether.com offers an HTML app to tether your iOS device. No jailbreak is necessary at all. It all fits in the TOS.

Now how is using unlimited bandwidth ABUSING it? Seriously, does the word UNLIMITED have a different definition in your dictionary than it does in mine?

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Agreed! Some people are so self-absorbed.

Yeah. Imagine unlimited use of an unlimited data plan. What could those people possibly be thinking?

 

[ZBoater]

Well, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The Tether app was in the iTunes store, but removed. Now, Tether.com offers an HTML app to tether your iOS device. No jailbreak is necessary at all. It all fits in the TOS.

Now how is using unlimited bandwidth ABUSING it? Seriously, does the word UNLIMITED have a different definition in your dictionary than it does in mine?

You can tether, you just have to PAY for it.

From AT&T's TOS:

"Furthermore, plans (unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/smartphone to computer accessories, BLUETOOTH® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose."

What part of this is not clear?

 

[Ste Nova]

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It's people like this that f things up for the rest of us.

While I agree that is crazy high bandwidth usage I guess I might agree with some and say that it is "technically unlimited" usage.

That being said, I think after a user gets passed some crazy large number like five or 10 or 15 GB, it would be reasonable for AT&T to slow and throttle the connection. I suspect when you get up to numbers like that you're starting to deal with a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the users and I would have no problem with the small group ultimately getting horribly slow connection speeds if they're using such an excessive amount of data.

I suspect "mega-users" users would not be so excited about using their $30 unlimited account as they're only Internet connection and sharing it with her coworkers if they were getting the same connection speeds as a dial-up modem in 1985 -and I think the 99.99% of users that are not those users would have no problem with that.

I'm not with AT&T I'm with 3 in the uk on 'the one plan'


The One Plan from £25pm
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Get The One Plan From 3. 2000 Mins, 5000 Texts & All-You-Can-Eat Data!

 

[Buildbright]

If you and others start using around 30GB on a monthly basis you will cause At&t to change there point of view. I am not sticking up for At&t at all but just do not surprized if they send you a text message that says we are now throttling you.

 

[tbayrgs]

Well, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The Tether app was in the iTunes store, but removed. Now, Tether.com offers an HTML app to tether your iOS device. No jailbreak is necessary at all. It all fits in the TOS.

Now how is using unlimited bandwidth ABUSING it? Seriously, does the word UNLIMITED have a different definition in your dictionary than it does in mine?

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Yeah. Imagine unlimited use of an unlimited data plan. What could those people possibly be thinking?

Yeah, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about, says the guy whose explanation clearly illustrates the abuse I'm talkling about. Why do you think that app was removed from the app store, genius? Thankfully, ZBoater explained it for you in simple enough terms that I think even you may understand.

You can tether, you just have to PAY for it.

From AT&T's TOS:

"Furthermore, plans (unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/smartphone to computer accessories, BLUETOOTH® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose."

What part of this is not clear?

 

[wbeem]

Yeah, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about, says the guy whose explanation clearly illustrates the abuse I'm talkling about. Why do you think that app was removed from the app store, genius? Thankfully, ZBoater explained it for you in simple enough terms that I think even you may understand.

Wow, aren't you kind of snotty? Is this because you really care about AT&T, or because you just like whining on the Internet?

 

[tbayrgs]

Wow, aren't you kind of snotty? Is this because you really care about AT&T, or because you just like whining on the Internet?

Nice rebuttal, chock full of relevant facts, as expected.

This has nothing to do with caring about AT&T and everything about AT&T deciding how they manage their unlimited iPad plans. It's clearly obvious that AT&T used the high quantity data abuser...er..users as an excuse to throttle their smartphone data plans and I don't want to give them an reason to do the same on their iPad plans.

Listen, the service I've received from AT&T over the past few years, contrary to what many have posted here, has been pretty good--very good coverage with great bandwidth. This doesn't make me an AT&T fanboy and I have no allegiance to AT&T, just like my service and unlimited data and would like to keep it.

 

[Ndhusmc]

This is where this thread is headed!

 

[ant69]

i agree that a product sold as unlimited should be just that (coming from someone on a grandfathered unlimited iphone plan) but common sense should also factor in using wifi where possible and also being courteous towards the rest of the users on the network - as im sure that unlimited ipad users will be throttled once the LTE network has a large amount of subscribers on it - just as the iPhone users are.

im on a 5gig ipad plan (as my company pays for it) but wifi is so readily available these days i doubt i will use half of it.

Ant

 

[BFizzzle]

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I hammer my iPhone unlimited data 60gb+ some months, even more now I have the iPad tethered to it, at home it's my only connection and at work it's faster than the office one so everyone connects to it for downloads, I also hammer the upload with eyefi

No you don't.