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Re: Re: Re: Re: Colored iPods

Originally posted by requies
many people i know don't have ANY music on their computers. that would be a target market for a smaller capacity ipod. not you and your friends.

It doesn't matter what size your collection is, just about how much you want to take with you at a time. I have 25 gigs worth, and I don't even fill up my 5gb ipod. I load on what ever I feel like at the time, and usually never get to listen a third of it before I start swapping out music. Just means more updating then bringing your whole collection wherever you go. Nothing wrong with that. I think a small inexpensive colored option will appeal to a much larger market then some of you realize.
 
Re: A bit late

Originally posted by ~Shard~
bad timing. Xmas is the busiest time of year, so releasing a new iPod like this that would appeal to the masses (i.e. having a lower price tag) would have been a huge hit before Xmas.
It would look terrible if Apple released the cheap iPods and then had a backlog - so people got delivery too late for Christmas!

Much better to start after Christmas with low demand and allow a steady increase than get hit with bad publicity.

Hey I noticed the new Nokia phones will play MP3s and AAC. Wonder if Apple will support them... sync songs, contacts, calendars.
 
Originally posted by ccuilla
Bzzzt! Wrong answer, but thanks for playing.
To volly back :D
First, the "profitablity" of iTMS is difficult to measure because it is easy to use "movie studio" accounting rules. But, if as you say iTMS tops out at 100 million songs a year, then Apple will have reached its maximum output within one year, and it will not need much money in the future for new infrastructure. That makes future songs much more profitable to Apple.

Second, you assume Apple will stop at selling songs, but there is much more digital content they can sell, including (1) music videos, (2) television episodes (missed CSI last night?, buy it for $3.99 from Apple), (3) short movies, (4) eventually full movies (as bandwidth increases).

Third, you assume iPods will continue their high profit margins. Right now there are a good dozen or more hard disk-based music players on the market, and this will put profit margin pressure on the iPod. Sure, most look ugly (except the Rio Karma), but eventually some will go to places like Frog Design to get some Apple-like coolness.
 
The new design.

Here's what I say it'll look like...
;)

Hopefully, no.

Anyway, I hope they have something like $99, $149 for 2GB, 4GB -- then $249, $299, $349 for 10, 20, 40 GB. YEAH! :D
 

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This is in response to Makosuke.

The external HD functionality will never go away. If it had to for some reason that would mean an entirely different way of transferring the music.
 
Re: Re: hmmm...

Originally posted by revenuee
True that...


I'm curious though the iPod is white ... does the white turn yellow like so many of the white electronics of the past



as the proud owner of an original 5GB ipod, i can attest that they do not discolor over time.
 
Cute factor

Originally posted by ccuilla
Better yet, I like the idea (someone already mentioned) of replaceable faceplates (a la Nokia phones).

Yeah, a furry one would make a good iPet. (nice Kitty)
 
Originally posted by ccuilla
Will it be a Green Bay Packers face plate?
There you go! But take it farther by tying it into promotional efforts. Imagine the Green Bay Packers selling an iPod, preloaded with radio broadcasts of every Packer game for the last 10 years.

Or the Sooners alumni association selling iPods with the OU logos and loaded with broadcasts of OU games.

Enroll in the expensive NPR membership, and get an "I support NPR" iPod fully loaded with all the Terry Gross (sp?) interviews.

Or a Star Wars iPod preloaded with all the audio of the Star Wars movies, the Star Wars radio drama broadcasts, and all the various Star Wars audio books.

Or a Lord of the Rings iPod with the unabridged readings of the Silmarillion, Hobbit, and Lord of the Rings.

OK. I am ready to buy my 2nd and 3rd iPods now!
 
I would definitely get a 2GB iPod for around $150. I can't afford $300 for a music player. I almost get some little flash player for $100, but the thing had an appallingly small amount of storage space and it wouldn't play my AAC encoded files any way, and I don't want to have to re-rip all of my CDs.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Colored iPods

Originally posted by daddy-mojo
It doesn't matter what size your collection is, just about how much you want to take with you at a time. I have 25 gigs worth, and I don't even fill up my 5gb ipod. I load on what ever I feel like at the time, and usually never get to listen a third of it before I start swapping out music. Just means more updating then bringing your whole collection wherever you go. Nothing wrong with that. I think a small inexpensive colored option will appeal to a much larger market then some of you realize.


if using your ipod in that way floats your boat, good for you. i was merely pointing out that the market of individuals with music collections less than 4GB is vast.
 
I doubt it will stop a just faceplates either.
I could see different colour backlights going into effect, different colour backlight buttons, and software so you can customize your start up logos as well.
 
Originally posted by JoeRadar
There you go! But take it farther by tying it into promotional efforts. Imagine the Green Bay Packers selling an iPod, preloaded with radio broadcasts of every Packer game for the last 10 years.

Or the Sooners alumni association selling iPods with the OU logos and loaded with broadcasts of OU games.

Enroll in the expensive NPR membership, and get an "I support NPR" iPod fully loaded with all the Terry Gross (sp?) interviews.

Or a Star Wars iPod preloaded with all the audio of the Star Wars movies, the Star Wars radio drama broadcasts, and all the various Star Wars audio books.

Or a Lord of the Rings iPod with the unabridged readings of the Silmarillion, Hobbit, and Lord of the Rings.

OK. I am ready to buy my 2nd and 3rd iPods now!

Yep, before long you would see Offical College Team iPods being sold through college book stores all across the US.
Or sell video enabled iPod that showed highlights from all best games in the last yr or last 10 yrs!!??
If they came out with one those for my college team I would buy one in heartbeat even if I didn't need another iPod.

*iPod insanity continues as Steve Jobs announces solid state iPods and hologram and colour changing shell covers*
 
Re: Re: Re: A bit late

Originally posted by jettredmont
On the other hand, maybe Apple is going after the "You got me this cheap piece of crap? Give me the receipt so I can return it and get an iPod!" crowd ...

Yah, but if Apple made it, I doubt it would be a cheap piece of crap - just cheap cost-wise. ;)
 
Re: Negative

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
why would anyone want to by a low end 10 giger when they can by a 2 for 3/4 of the price?

GOODBYE PROFIT!

About 50% of the buying public would go iPod if they were cheaper.

At $149 bucks a student could buy one after saving for about a month.
 
Re: Negative

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
why would anyone want to by a low end 10 giger when they can by a 2 for 3/4 of the price?

GOODBYE PROFIT!

Some people truly do want to have all their music in their pocket

I have several friends that took every CD they own ... converted to MP3, organized it all into Playlists, and put all their music onto the iPod, then just put their CD's into a box and took them down to basement/attic for storage.

If they want to listen to a particular song/Band/ type of music on their stereo they just wire it through the AV and problem solved.
 
Re: Negative

That is very easy to answer:

Because the person doesn't have the desire to spend $$$ on a music player.

A lot of my friends like the iPod, but will NOT spend $650 on a music player. Some would, however spend, say $299.

Other people have more important things to spend their money on, besides spending the equilvent of half their rent on a music player.





Originally posted by Wonder Boy
why would anyone want to by a low end 10 giger when they can by a 2 for 3/4 of the price?

GOODBYE PROFIT!
 
Re: Re: Negative

Originally posted by revenuee
Some people truly do want to have all their music in their pocket

I have several friends that took every CD they own ... converted to MP3, organized it all into Playlists, and put all their music onto the iPod, then just put their CD's into a box and took them down to basement/attic for storage.

If they want to listen to a particular song/Band/ type of music on their stereo they just wire it through the AV and problem solved.

I agree with this, there are always going to be people who need different amounts of space, whether it be 2 GB, 10 GB or 40 GB. Hell, because I'm a freak, I'd need about a 180 GB iPod to store all my music as MP3s, since I have so many audio CDs and a plethora of MP3s on my FTP server. :cool:
 
gawd. people are writing in as if this already happened. Apple wouldn't release this before x-mas because they are making pretty good margin on the existing models. why divert sales of the larger models. A 5 GB @ $179 sounds feasible.
 
It's gonna be bigger, not smaller...

Just from reading this thread, you've all accidentally described something that sounds more probable.

If apple releases a cheaper iPod, it may have a smaller capacity, but it will defintiely be larger. In consumer electronics, smaller = more expensive, larger = cheaper. There isn't one example where the converse is true. Think camcorders or digital cameras. You always pay a premium for size.

If apple releases a "budget" iPod, it would have to be -less sexy- than the deluxe model. Less sexy = bigger.

How can we get it cheaper? When size is less of a factor, the answer becomes obvious: the new ipod would be .7" bigger because it would use a 2.5" notebook hard drive. The price differences even on single units is tremendous.

On pricewatch, a 2.2gb IBM microdrive (a 1" Hard Drive, probably what toshiba is making) goes for $192. You're paying a huge premium for the smaller size.

A toshiba 6.0 GB 2.5" drive goes for $68.

Now:

When the original iPod came out with 5 gb @ $399, you could buy that same 5.0 gb 1.8" drive in a firewire enclosure but without the mp3 playing guts for $299. So, we could say apple is adding on $100 for the mp3 guts and screen.

Nowadays you can get an external firewire/usb enclosure for 2.5" hard drives for around $20.

So, that's maybe $89 for a 2.5" drive and controller - street prices!

So, being generous to apple's margins, let's give them the $100 for their mp3 playing guts (and probably, some nice profit margin) and we're still at only $189 for an mp3 playing, white-and-aluminum clad, slightly (only .7") larger budget ipod.

Now, that's _street prices_, and that allows for as much profit margin as the original iPod!

What happens when you factor in volume costs? This is certainly intended to be a high volume product - probably more so than the current ipod. Apple has already extended, with the 3g ipods, their profit margins on the non-drive guts of the machine - essentially selling for $299 what they originally sold for $399. So they are making the mp3-playing guts better and for less money.

Anyway, for final prediction -we have to account for things like marketability and availability of parts - if apple does market a larger, clumsier, cheaper iPod, the line-up would be something like:

$199 10gb HuskyPod
-looks just like 3g ipod, only bigger (think 14" ibook). No backlight on the buttons, no dock, no case, no remote.

$299 15gb 3g iPod
- replaces 10gb, otherwise no change

$399 30gb 3.5g iPod
- maybe color screen ala GBA, or other extras. no video yet.

$499 60gb 3.5g ipod
- maybe color screen, etc.

And that's your level-headed, non-pie-in-the-sky forecast for a way into a cheaper ipod.
 
Re: Re: Negative

Originally posted by ITR 81
About 50% of the buying public would go iPod if they were cheaper.

At $149 bucks a student could buy one after saving for about a month.

the problem though is over 50% of the market isn't buying.

also, i'm a student. i don't make large purchases for frivilous things - new tv, xbox, mp3 players. here's what college students don't do: save money. My version of saving is, saving wanting one until my birthday or christmas comes around.

As for the faceplate idea. Apple doesn't do interchangable, they've had countless chances since the original iMac. The economics are a bitch for the 100 different faceplates you could have. College bookstores aren't buying because they can't jack the price up 50 dollars like they do books. Think more difference between a Powermac and iMac, or Powerbook and iBook.

The key for the iPod to remain dominant is hitting the lower-end market, and making them available to purchase everywhere - Wal-mart, K-Mark, Meijer. Places where people shop often.
 
Originally posted by desdomg
from a journalistic standpoint you guys are not very professional.

Um, this site is called "MacRumors" not "Mac100%GauranteedProfessionalNewsBroughtToYouByHardenedProfessionalsWorkingAtCNN". All these rumors and the resulting discussions are what makes everything enjoyable. :cool:
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
All these rumors and the resulting discussions are what makes everything enjoyable. :cool:


If it was 100% then there wouldn't be much to discuss :)
 
Just a bit off topic...

But has anyone else wondered why Apple hasn't released FireWire 800 cables for the 3G iPods? I've got this FW 800 on my PowerBook that has gone unused. I thought the purpose of the 30-pin dock connector was to be able to connect to FW and USB, and I was hoping for FW 800.
 
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