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Originally posted by ccuilla
And another thought...about timing...maybe this timing is PERFECT. Here's why:

1. Apple sells as many higher cost iPods as possible now.

2. In January, they intro iPod Jr. for $149, and all of the people that bought cheaper ($100-$200) MP3 players rush to BestBuy, CircuitCity and CompUSA to return them and buy iPod Jr.

Just thinking out loud here.

With the teens in my family, cash is king when it comes to gifts. Lots of kids with holiday cash to spend in January.
 
Originally posted by rdowns
With the teens in my family, cash is king when it comes to gifts. Lots of kids with holiday cash to spend in January.

Now there is an angle we haven't considered.
 
I don't see why it has to be smaller, the iPod is plenty small, as long as it just costs less. Why do people seem to think they need to make it smaller? If they go any smaller, the buttons will be too small, and the screen is a great size. It needs to be cheaper, not smaller
 
Originally posted by centauratlas
This is a good thing, expanding market share is a positive. Better to grab that segment than abandon it to someone else.

Now make an expensive, phone pod with that range storage (e.g. xD or MMC memory) and they'll have another hit.

The only way this makes sense is with flash memory. It will result in longer battery times (or a smaller batter with the same time).
I think if Apple want market share they need to have their factories producing more iPods judging by this report on Mac Observer for the UK

A newspaper story has hit the stands in the UK reporting the iPod is red hot amongst Brits (including the Welsh and Scots, it would seem). The Telegraph has published an article titled "10,000-song gadget is this year's 'must-have'," while The Scotsman and ic Wales have published their own versions of the piece as "Shoppers 'Can't Get Enough of Ipods'," and "Gadget demand catches shops by surprise," respectively. From The Telegraph:

It is hailed as the gadget to revolutionise the way we listen to music. David Beckham has one and now demand for the iPod is soaring.

But shops are struggling to cope with the clamour for the lightweight, digital music player which can hold 10,000 songs and is the "must-have" Christmas gift this year.

Selfridges in London sold out last week and the John Lewis chain is taking orders for delivery after Christmas

I dont think they need to make iPods cheaper they just need to make more of them faster.
 
Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
I don't see why it has to be smaller, the iPod is plenty small, as long as it just costs less. Why do people seem to think they need to make it smaller? If they go any smaller, the buttons will be too small, and the screen is a great size. It needs to be cheaper, not smaller

I've got a lot of stuff in my pockets

Cell Phone, Digital camera, keys, wallet, sunglasses, iPod (as off the 24th) ...

I'd like to have it all without my pants falling down ...
 
the hard drives are already really small. there's no way they can make a mini version unless it was flash. and still it would be expensive.
you can get smaller drives, but it cost more.

what's going on? is apple making a Jr. just as a ploy for the "regular" iPod?
 
Originally posted by anodized
the hard drives are already really small. there's no way they can make a mini version unless it was flash. and still it would be expensive.
you can get smaller drives, but it cost more.

what's going on? is apple making a Jr. just as a ploy for the "regular" iPod?

Flash cards are expensive

Note: Canadian Prices i found at local retailers

1 gig Sony Memory Stick Pro - 999$
Compact flash - 259$ for 512 MB
 
xmas?

why is this a question? come on people, they can't keep them on the shelves now! you think a lower price is needed while they are already THE item? your insane! why would they do that to themselves?

now a few weeks later, a cheaper pod, for those who got a little cash for the holidays? then for the free songs from pepsi? that is when they can clean up the market!
 
Well, leave it to Apple to introduce a great consumer item - just after the holiday shopping season...
 
surprise us Steve!

Imagine if Apple rolled out a $79 iPod using not HD, nor Flash, but some other exotic, but inexpensive memory technology they've been developing for 5 years.

They would need to do something on that scale to fully dominate and rule the market for the next 3 years.

I know its just wishful thinking, but can you imagine the impact if this were true?
 
Re: surprise us Steve!

In the spirit of wild and crazy speculation, i would love to see them roll out an accessory that allowed you to hook into a TV via the DOCK and be able to play movies or slide shows straight from the iPOD on your TV screen, without a computer in the middle
 
Re: Re: surprise us Steve!

Originally posted by revenuee
In the spirit of wild and crazy speculation, i would love to see them roll out an accessory that allowed you to hook into a TV via the DOCK and be able to play movies or slide shows straight from the iPOD on your TV screen, without a computer in the middle

With the "8" hour battery life? right... you'd get...two 22 minute shows max. Assuming an unlikely format of DivX. That's not counting the harder battery hit of decoding video, that's only hd access.

But if you had an external power source...it'd be a real nice feature. Seinfeld on the go.
 
Re: Re: Re: surprise us Steve!

Originally posted by ethernet76
With the "8" hour battery life? right... you'd get...two 22 minute shows max. Assuming an unlikely format of DivX. That's not counting the harder battery hit of decoding video, that's only hd access.

But if you had an external power source...it'd be a real nice feature. Seinfeld on the go.

I dare to dream and think different ... LOL

but the external power idea is good ... like the Belkin Card Reader

you'de need more power for the decoding i suppose

AC solution - i guess that would defeat it's portability.
 
good to see

it's good to see this time around the "lower price iPod" rumors have not been met with the usual masochistic snobbery, characterized by defensiveness, with a resignation to high prices and pride in the corresponding prestige. hopefully more people are waking up to the idea that innovation, high quality and lower prices are a reasonable expectation.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Colored iPods

Originally posted by requies
if using your ipod in that way floats your boat, good for you. i was merely pointing out that the market of individuals with music collections less than 4GB is vast.

yes, and my point is, that a lot of people out there don't intend on having 40gigs of music on their systems. This is more for the casual/regular user. I think maybe we were both making the same point perhaps.
 
Re: surprise us Steve!

Originally posted by Sir_Giggles
Imagine if Apple rolled out a $79 iPod using not HD, nor Flash, but some other exotic, but inexpensive memory technology they've been developing for 5 years.

They would need to do something on that scale to fully dominate and rule the market for the next 3 years.

I know its just wishful thinking, but can you imagine the impact if this were true?


i was thinking the same thing. it is out in left field, but apple doesn't need to rely on an architecture like compact flash because the memory doesn't need to be removable. they could have designed a memory chip and had IBM fab it at their nice facility. ;)


the pie in the sky is warm and yummy! anyone else want a piece?
 
I am curious about whether or not Apple would market iPods of a different appearance (significantly) than that of the current models. Perhaps the "colours" that are referred to are new packages, inspired by the multicolour ad campaign Apple has been running since the summer.

The thing is that the form factor and aesthetic properties of the current (and previous) iPods are what make an iPod an iPod, so to speak. The integration with iTunes, fast transfer, ease of use, and so on, are very important, but one of the other great things about the iPod is that you know when someone else is holding one: Shiny back, bright white front, plus bright white headphones. Colouring the iPod would reduce its "visual word of mouth" marketing potential, and I think, frankly, would make it look like Sony sport walkmans and Panasonic Shockwave equipment.

If Apple does release new iPods with different capacities, my bet is on an industrial design similar or identical to the current models.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Colored iPods

Originally posted by daddy-mojo
yes, and my point is, that a lot of people out there don't intend on having 40gigs of music on their systems. This is more for the casual/regular user. I think maybe we were both making the same point perhaps.


i agree that there is a great market for this product and i hope it comes to be. :)
 
Originally posted by DarkPhoenixCA
why Apple hasn't released FW800 for the iPods?

probably because the hard drive doesn't even fully utilize the FW400 bandwidth and there's just no point in throwing a more expensive chip inside without any performance gain.
 
Originally posted by merges
I am curious about whether or not Apple would market iPods of a different appearance (significantly) than that of the current models. Perhaps the "colours" that are referred to are new packages, inspired by the multicolour ad campaign Apple has been running since the summer.

The thing is that the form factor and aesthetic properties of the current (and previous) iPods are what make an iPod an iPod, so to speak. The integration with iTunes, fast transfer, ease of use, and so on, are very important, but one of the other great things about the iPod is that you know when someone else is holding one: Shiny back, bright white front, plus bright white headphones. Colouring the iPod would reduce its "visual word of mouth" marketing potential, and I think, frankly, would make it look like Sony sport walkmans and Panasonic Shockwave equipment.

If Apple does release new iPods with different capacities, my bet is on an industrial design similar or identical to the current models.


i was thinking that the whole cell-phone-like interchangeable faceplate idea would facilitate user customization and perhaps even lend itself to a convenient user-serviceable battery. however, it is easy to imagine such a thing to be clunky, complicated, and just inelegant. though i have great faith in jon ive, i think that apple might stay away from customization that steve could perceive as eroding the brand identification, much the way apple resists themes in the mac os.
 
Originally posted by ccuilla
Apple is giving away the blades to sell the razors. This is important for anyone to understand, lest we suggest they begin giving away the razors too.

Other way around, give away the razors, sell the blades.
 
New iPods

Well, it looks like Think Secret is confirming the new iPods for MWSF

Originally posted by Think Secret
Reliable sources inside and outside of Apple have confirmed Apple will announce the new pocket-size iPods in a number of capacities and in various colors, including stripes. Capacities will be 2 and 4GB -- meaning users could store some 400 and 800 songs, respectively. Prices will start at around $100US, Think Secret has learned. It is not known if the new product line will be available immediately after introduction.

It is also expected that current iPod models will be revamped to add body colors as well.

The addition of mini iPods is not unexpected what with recent comments by Jobs that such a device has been an Apple priority and MP3 industry watchers confirming the market is wide open for Apple to take a lead in technology and offer a better, faster, cheaper, low-end MP3 player.

They also say that the iLife suite and the Xserves will be updated.

and NO NEW PowerMacs or PowerBooks!

I tend to take what Think Secret reports as gospel, since they have been very close to the truth 99% of the time.

Hickman
 
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