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[RE: NVMe speeds]

Which is slow as mud compared to most Apple SSD speeds (read speeds around 3300 for M1 MBP)

Yes and No. Apple's SSDs are also NVMe's.

The "trick" to getting them to run at 3300 instead of 2100 is simply a RAID0 pair that's invisible to the end user.
 
This points to something important that a lot of folks are seemingly overlooking:

The first round of M1 Macs, with the exact same M1 and RAM limitations, has been out for 6 months. Many folks have been using them for pro applications (including video, audio, and software development) and absolutely *loving* them. So the idea that the iMac with identical computing guts and 16 GB is worthless for pro apps is stupid, because it's already been proven wrong.

Count me in the camp that is disappointed to get neither M1X nor 32 GB option; I wanted both purely for future-proofing. But I have zero doubt that one of these machines will be a fantastic improvement over my 2013 21", and will handle anything I choose to throw at it for quite a while.

I'm not enthused by the prices or the loss of SD slot, though. Need to find a not-hideous USB hub with a card slot, that doesn't have tons of extra useless crap. Any suggestions?

You hit the nail on the head. People need to be looking at RAM differently with these M1 Macs. They are outperforming maxed out machines with 32GB of RAM.

I remember reading an article when the new air first came out. The person was saying how the air was going toe to toe with their maxed out Pro machine from the previous year. The difference was the air was $999 and their machine was over $3K.
 
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So is there really a "High-End" option or is it just that this one comes with 512gb SSD? It seems like this is the just the Mid-Range option with the $200 upgrade to get 512gb instead of 256gb.
You can have 1 or 2 TB SSD, but it wont be cheap.
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You hit the nail on the head. People need to be looking at RAM differently with these M1 Macs. They are outperforming maxed out machines with 32GB of RAM.

I remember reading an article when the new air first came out. The person was saying how the air was going toe to toe with their maxed out Pro machine from the previous year. The difference was the air was $999 and their machine was over $3K.
Yeah, but that person forgot mentioning that brutal swapping/writing to the SSD, that the machine is doing, when there is simply not enough RAM... For whatever reason (marketing? brainwashing?) people simply forget, that the integrated GPU (graphics) are also sharing the same RAM.

And 8 GB is, well not that much.

Some will say, that programs will work the same on a computer with 8GB RAM as with 16GB and up. Of course they will, but the fun begins, when there wont be enough RAM anymore. ;)
 
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the chin on these is ugly and a design oversight to say the least. All that wasted space that you're staring at that serves absolutely no purpose. $1700 for a midrange spec'd machine with a small 24" display is outrageous. Why would anyone get one of these when they can just get an m1 macbook and hookup a 27" external display to it instead?
 
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$1600 CAD for the entry level base model.

As cool as the M1 and hardware might be, that is not a reasonable price point for their entry level iMac at 21".

its a neat computer. But it's not a $1600 CAD computer.
 
I think the better value is a Mac mini with your choice of displays or even a MacBook Air. I was really hoping this would have been more around the $1099 price point, this is essentially a permanently docked iPad Pro. And the external power brick is not going to be popular in education.
You also get webcam, speakers & mic thrown in. I have a 2018 MM +Cinema Display. I still need a wonky webcam sitting onto the display and with no built in speakers I need headphones or external speakers.
 
Hmmm, $2,099 for 24”, M1, 16GB RAM & 1TB SSD, vs $2,399 for 27”, intel 8 core, rebrandeon 5300 (4GB VRAM), 16GB RAM (upgradable) & 1TB SSD. That’s going to be a tough choice for some people.

This obviously doesn’t take into account other factors, like fan noise levels, color choices, and WiFi6 in the M1 models. Was just comparing the relative price difference between M1 & intel models with roughly the same core specs.
Don't upgrade the RAM to 16GB, when buying the 27''. Buy the 8GB base model and stuff it with another 32GB for less than the Apple upgrade price (it comes with 4 memory slots, two still free). This way you have a 40GB machine for less than what you would pay Apple for a 16GB rig.
 
I wish you could opt not to get a mouse or trackpad. I have a track pad which I don't use much and I use a Logitech Track ball rather than a mouse.
 
That is one ugly machine. The huge bezels are still there and that huge chin at the bottom. Why not all screen? Where is the 27 incher or the 30 incher?

But if there's not big bezels ... then where am I going to stick my Post-it Pad notes?

The larger iMac version will -- obviously -- come later. And it gives some of us the knowledge to decide if to buy one of those instead of an M1 iMac before they disappear.
 
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why M1 has so limit on ram?
I expect iMac 24inch to have at least 32GB ram option.

M1 is fast, but with so limit ram, it is only suitable for office work.

but why office work need a fast cpu?

It's an entry level device.
 
Honestly, I am going to say yes on the display costing that much. A built in 1080P webcam and 4K are not only expensive, they are hard to find stand alone. That doesn't even consider the speakers and supposedly much better mics. We all know the Apple premium exist, but the display is definitely in the ballpark of others offering those specs.

YMMV on just what one considers 'expensive'

For example, Wyze has been selling stand-alone 1080p WiFi-based webcams for $20 (retail) for the past 2-3 years; their new version 3 has improved low-light capability ("CMOS starlight") is now $24 (retail).
 
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If the colours were rich all over, like on the back, and the keyboard keys & bezels were black, and they added a subtle apple logo (like on the back) to that chin... I'd consider it.

As it stands, the bezel looks terrible in white, the colours from the front are insipid and the lack of any Apple branding on the front makes it look like some generic junk. The vertical lines of the stand look weird too.
 
You also get webcam, speakers & mic thrown in. I have a 2018 MM +Cinema Display. I still need a wonky webcam sitting onto the display and with no built in speakers I need headphones or external speakers.

The early generation (1999-2004 until 2008) Cinema Displays didn't...

...but the LED Cinema Displays (2008-11) did have all three (iSight + Mic + Stereo Speakers)

Likewise too for the Thunderbolt Displays (2011-16)
 
This is the strangest product from Apple in a while. Underspec'd, overspriced, and odd design. Seems their thin obsession worked against them. Make it fatter with less chin, it's a desktop, who cares how thin it is. Not sure who this is for really. I will stick with my Pro in an external display.
 
YMMV on just what one considers 'expensive'

For example, Wyze has been selling stand-alone 1080p WiFi-based webcams for $20 (retail) for the past 2-3 years; their new version 3 has improved low-light capability ("CMOS starlight") is now $24 (retail).
I think the poster you're replying to might mean stand-alone displays in 4k/retina with webcam, speakers etc. in a nicely designed package. You are certainly right that you can buy all the individual parts for less.
 
I'm not sure why these limits exist either — cost? environmental? ideological?
These limits exist because these are the specs of the M1 SOC. it’s what you get with the first generation of Apple Silicon.

The next generations will be faster with more RAM and better gpus.

You may not be impressed by the specs but no new Apple computer is ever going to be slower than the base M1s. If they’re not good enough you’ll just have to be patient.
 
Which is slow as mud compared to most Apple SSD speeds (read speeds around 3300 for M1 MBP)

This is factually misinformation.

Apple doesn't make their own SSD chips and is using the same basic chips as available to most on the market. Apple is just chosing to solder those chips directly to the PCI-E lanes instead, where NVME drives just commonly refer to the form factor (though not entirely correct either)

Both are based on 4 lanes of PCI-E fed by a storage controller. And in today's computers, the bottleneck is just what chips are purchased. Apple is buying good quality chips that cna handle a lot of performance. But so can any one of us.

any brand name NVME is going to hit 3500 mbps on today's hardware. PCI-E Gen 4 will hit 4000 to 5500.

And you'd be absolutely shocked how cheap it is to get this speed today. Samsung 970 Evo's can be found for around $100 for 1tb and will easily hit 3300mbps.
 
strange design, have to say after all the years loving apple products I admit this product I cringed at!

and the keynote was a right cheese fest, it was over camp like some play school early learning event.

The iMac is now the Mac Pad and the iPad has now become the Pady Mac.

Seeing as they got the computer into the thin design of the chin, they would of been far better incorporating the logic board into the upright of the stand. ports then would of been placed at the back out the way and wouldn’t swivel with the screen.

Then the screen could of lost the chin, possibly more bezel and been razor thin or at least as thin as the 90s 1080p camera.

Anyway enjoy your new MacPad touchless iPad plug in the wall thing with the crazy colours and that shocking chin.
 
I won’t buy one simply because 24’ is so small now that I am used to 34’ UWD, but the prices of the new iMacs are fair, at least in the US.
 
If I hadn’t just bought a M1 Mac mini and LG 5K display I would lap one of these up immediately. Great new design, well done Apple 🍎

my only gripe is the omission of an old fashioned usb slot.
Which LG did you get? I am looking for mini plus screen, but a screen I can also plug in my Air. Any idea if that would work?
 
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