M1 iPad Pro Over 50% Faster Than Previous Generation in Early Benchmarks

[alexandr]

Thanks. The only fix would be if Apple were to go back to flicker-free displays on its flagship iPhones.

They’ve improved Haptic Touch to the point I’m not missing 3D Touch on my iPhone SE, which also has an excellent LCD display. It’s quick enough that it’s become about 95% as useful. I wouldn’t let that hold you back as it’s unlikely they’ll reintroduce a pressure-based sensor.

you'd think apple would have some kind of a solution for that, given how health-oriented the are..

oh yea, i'm not holding my breath — i don't expect them to bring it back. i actually disabled it for about a month when i thought i was going to get the 12(before i realized that it really wasn't much of an upgrade yet again), and it's definitely not going to kill me, but when i switched it back on i def noticed the difference.. so for now i'm just enjoying it until a phone i actually want comes out

 

[MICHAELSD]

you'd think apple would have some kind of a solution for that, given how health-oriented the are..

oh yea, i'm not holding my breath — i don't expect them to bring it back. i actually disabled it for about a month when i thought i was going to get the 12(before i realized that it really wasn't much of an upgrade yet again), and it's definitely not going to kill me, but when i switched it back on i def noticed the difference.. so for now i'm just enjoying it until a phone i actually want comes out

There are apparently too many drawbacks due to the newer display technology for them to introduce a setting in Accessibility. It may be possible to modify the hardware with a better brightness controller in the future.

Fair enough. iPhone 12 is great, and I was going to type that you’re not missing much coming from iPhone XS but they’ve noticeably improved the display, chassis, and cameras.

 

[alexandr]

They are too many drawbacks unfortunately due to the newer display technology for them to introduce a current setting in Accessibility. It may be possible to modify the hardware with a better brightness controller in the future.

Fair enough. iPhone 12 is great, and I was going to type that you’re not missing much coming from iPhone XS but they’ve noticeably improved the display, chassis, and cameras.

i know — there are so many accessibility options for the display — i'm surprised by this(

you know, i was almost certain that i was going to get the 12, but they did nothing for the optical zoom(i'm not getting the max model). and from the rumors here it doesn't sound like they are going to this year either!

 

[MICHAELSD]

i know — there are so many accessibility options for the display — i'm surprised by this(

you know, i was almost certain that i was going to get the 12, but they did nothing for the optical zoom(i'm not getting the max model). and from the rumors here it doesn't sound like they are going to this year either!

FWIW the sensor did improve for the optical zoom, but you would see the biggest difference with the Max. It was a night-and-day difference from my 8+.

Hopefully the latest rumors are true about the standard and Max models sharing the same camera system. iPhone SE is opening my eyes to the practicality of a slightly smaller phone.

 

[alexandr]

FWIW the sensor did improve for the optical zoom, but you would see the biggest difference with the Max. It was a night-and-day difference from my 8+.

Hopefully the latest rumors are true about the standard and Max models sharing the same camera system. iPhone SE is opening my eyes to the practicality of a slightly smaller phone.

i'll be perfectly happy with a x4 optical, x2 is just sad at this day in age... yea, i'm content with the normal 'pro' size. my wife just decided that she wants the mini, and i'm hoping they don't drop the mini as a class...

 

[MICHAELSD]

i'll be perfectly happy with a x4 optical, x2 is just sad at this day in age... yea, i'm content with the normal 'pro' size. my wife just decided that she wants the mini, and i'm hoping they don't drop the mini as a class...

iPhone 13 would have to turn around sales of the Mini for them to keep it around.

 

[alexandr]

iPhone 13 would have to turn around sales of the Mini for them to keep it around.

or maybe plan for a slightly smaller run?

 

[collin_]

Looks like they didn't nerf the chip for iPad 🎉

 

[MICHAELSD]

or maybe plan for a slightly smaller run?

There’s a lot of R&D that goes into the development of a phone so at some point it may not be worth designing and stocking a phone in multiple SKU’s that doesn’t do well.

 

[alexandr]

There’s a lot of R&D that goes into the development of a phone so at some point it may not be worth designing and stocking a phone in multiple SKU’s that doesn’t do well.

i suppose, but the next model would be very much a pick up of the current one, wouldn't it?

 

[PsykX]

It's still hard to believe that such a powerful processor is enclosed within such a thin device.
The M1 is an engineering feat, yet it's still the weakest chip Apple has in line.

 

[bradman83]

It’s a powerful chip in an iPad. Get over it. You don’t need to use it but to not see it makes you look naive at the very least.

No one’s saying it’s not a powerful chip, my point is that the M1 is closely related to the A14. Apple smartly rebranded the X variant of the A14 as a new series so it would be taken seriously and not dismissed as “just a tablet or phone chip.” Both the A14 and the M1 are impressive chips.

 

[Act3]

Stopped being impressed with iPad Pro hardware a while ago.

The software is the bottleneck, not the hardware.

Waiting for WWDC to decide if the M1 iPad Pro is going to be worth it.

ground hog day, good luck... an iPad is a tablet, want more get a laptop. i don't see much changing.

 

[MICHAELSD]

i suppose, but the next model would be very much a pick up of the current one, wouldn't it?

Most likely. It does look like the Mini size will stick around next generation, but possibly discontinued during the following generation.

 

[0924487]

What!? Wake up, the best is the arm cpu from japan

ARM is not a CPU it’s an instruction set. You can think of it as a language you use to communicate and write papers with.

ARM is not Japanese, it’s just bought by SoftBank. The brains behind it are not Japanese.

 

[macduke]

Wow, my iPad Pro is going to be faster than the high-end current gen 16" MBP that I bought refurbished last year because of work arrangements with the pandemic. I didn't want to buy it but I needed it. I knew the crazy new Apple chips were coming. The only real performance difference between the two is that the GPU is about 1/3 slower than my Radeon Pro 5500M (found some compute benchmarks here: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/search?utf8=✓&q=ipad13%2C9) and the RAM is 16GB on the iPad Pro vs. 32GB on my MBP.

There is no way that Apple isn't planning something huge for the iPad Pro at WWDC. This kind of performance just doesn't make sense in a tablet otherwise. Hopefully they introduce a "macOS Lite" or similar that can be activated and used with the trackpad and keyboard or maybe some new "level" of iPad OS that can be activated through Control Center, maybe called something like "Pro Mode" that only the new Pro models get moving forward.

 

[Act3]

ARM is not a CPU it’s an instruction set. You can think of it as a language you use to communicate and write papers with.

ARM is not Japanese, it’s just bought by SoftBank. The brains behind it are not Japanese.

what did I just read?

 

[rp2011]

It's great for people who use the iPad as their main computer, but I only use it for light scrolling and I find my latest generation iPad Pro to already be overkill for that 😅

Could have saved money and bought the basic iPad if that’s the case.

 

[Act3]

Could have saved money and bought the basic iPad if that’s the case.

not really, some like the promotion... gotta have pro for that scrolling.

 

[Abazigal]

No one’s saying it’s not a powerful chip, my point is that the M1 is closely related to the A14. Apple smartly rebranded the X variant of the A14 as a new series so it would be taken seriously and not dismissed as “just a tablet or phone chip.” Both the A14 and the M1 are impressive chips.

It wasn’t so long ago that the ipad was getting better video export rates in LumaFusion compared to even final cut on a Mac. At least for me, I viewed “just a phone chip” was a badge of honour for the ipad, given how it was enabling better performance and longer battery life over Intel Macs.

I don’t think it’s about rebranding, as much as it is unifying their devices so developers will be incentivised to port their mac apps over to iPads as well (since they all have the same internal specs).

It’s really about enabling the next generation of productivity apps for the ipad.

 

[alexandr]

Most likely. It does look like the Mini size will stick around next generation, but possibly discontinued during the following generation.

that would be ideal — my wife updates here phones when they are smashed and cracked up beyond recognition

 

[el-John-o]

I bought the original iPad in 2010. It cost me roughly $800. In 3 years it was a paperweight, and still is. Why? processor power and RAM.

These M1 iPads are finally up to par with MBPs hardware-wise. Which means they'll keep far longer than a 4GB-of-RAM-gimped Air.

So the Air can run all the iPad software today. Let's see how it runs in 5 years. Or whether Apple will have M1 iPad-only software this WWDC.

Apple would have to have put out two versions of iPadOS.

Yes. And in 4-5 years when the air is a paperweight; you can buy another air. With not only improvements to CPU and RAM, but potentially other hardware improvements and features not available on today’s M1 iPad Pro.

And even having bought that SECOND iPad, you’re still out less than an M1 iPad Pro.

 

[ian87w]

This is... great?
I'm sure it's helpful for some people who has an iPad first or iPad only workflow, that their main device has similar performance as the Macs.

 

[el-John-o]

Base m1 MacBooks piss all over base intel machines.

Drive it properly then.

What’s not ‘full’ about lightroom? Aside the file management side- which is clearly an Adobe choice.

I can’t wait for you to actually see it, like your username suggests.

So don’t buy the Ferrari then? Honestly- you just described perfectly why this machine isn’t for you. And you’re complaining about it.

There are plenty of apps that use the power already on even a 2018 iPad Pro.

It’s a powerful chip in an iPad. Get over it. You don’t need to use it but to not see it makes you look naive at the very least.

Photoshop is the last thing that taxes an iPad. Affinity suite, shapr, Luma, plus more that I cba to repeatedly type, CAN and will use the power, and people like me will continue to benefit from it. If not you or your wife, then fine. But I tax my 2018 now- the new one will be a great machine for me.

lightroom on the iPad is severely limited. Can’t merge panoramas (a feature I use all the time, I shoot a lot of Panos), no ability to use certain plugins like those used for certain photo printers, limited import and organization options, support for external drives and network storage, you name it.

Lightroom for iOS is absolutely fantastic, but it is missing features that are dealbreakers for me and my workflow. But if I could run the full desktop version of Lightroom, then my M1 iPad Pro (whenever it arrives) would basically become my computer.

 

[Abazigal]

I bought the original iPad in 2010. It cost me roughly $800. In 3 years it was a paperweight, and still is. Why? processor power and RAM.

These M1 iPads are finally up to par with MBPs hardware-wise. Which means they'll keep far longer than a 4GB-of-RAM-gimped Air.

So the Air can run all the iPad software today. Let's see how it runs in 5 years. Or whether Apple will have M1 iPad-only software this WWDC.

Apple would have to have put out two versions of iPadOS.

What I suspect will happen is that Apple will still stick with 1 version of iPadOS for their entire ipad lineup. Sales of iPad Pro’s likely isn’t high enough to justify further bifurcating iPadOS, and I don’t see macOS coming to the ipad either.

In this regard, we may not see Apple get too crazy with productivity features here.

What the improved specs will enable are full desktop-class mac apps to be ported over to the ipad. The interface will likely need some rethinking, but otherwise, it will still be the same features under the hood.