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Yeah the M1 max can already edit 8k video fine it’s mad how people just want more power for the sake of it
I'm guessing you don't work in content creation. You know, that burgeoning industry that every tech and media company is getting into? It is impossible to be too fast in rendering video. Time is money.
 
Keep in mind this is a locked down machine with no slots. When nvidia’s 4000 series come out, which will be 2x as fast as the 3000 series, eventually you can upgrade. Not so with the studio. It’s the old trashcan Mac Pro all over again.

And how much power will that use? 2X? Good God man the machine you describe will be a space heater.
 
Does anyone have any idea how was the maxed out MACBOOK PRO M1 MAX
10-Core CPU / 32-Core GPU / 64GB Unified Memory

Compares to:

MAXED OUT STUDIO MAC

Apple M1 Ultra with 20-core CPU, 64-core GPU, 32-core Neural Engine / 128GB Unified Memory

How much faster is the Studio Mac?
Are there any benchmarks or comparisons anywhere?
 
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Lastly, the $4,000 Ultra Studio Mac crushes your Mac Pro in every performance benchmark. Apple made something roughly twice as fast as your huge $10,000 battleship and put it in a cool little box for $4,000. Maybe it doesn't fit your needs but sounds like a really weird complaint.

If Apple released a 15 inch MacBook Pro for $999 that was faster than my 16 inch MBP I wouldn't complain about it.
Similar to my experience when I bought an $1100 M1 Mini that seemed way faster than my Intel MBP16 that cost about 3 times as much and ran hot and noisy... I was delighted with the advances that Apple had made, even though there was a mild sense of loss at how quickly my expensive MBP had been superceded.
 
Yeah, that, and the “we’re done except for Mac Pro,” were two very uncharacteristic revelations today. Until now, nobody knew for sure that a Mac Pro with M1 was actually coming, and nobody new for sure that there wasn’t going to be an Ultra Duo.

Given these two data points, seems to me we’re most likely not going to see an M1 Mac Pro, and instead it will be an M2 variation (so they can offer a 40+ core variant). It’s not possible to do an M1 Ultra x2 unless you (1) build some sort of smart interposer, which is a bunch of work that has little payoff for apple or (2) use dual sockets. They made a big deal today about the programming model, and why two sockets is bad, so I don’t think they’ll do that.

I suspect that M2 Max will have a fancier fusion bus that allows each die to talk to 2 neighbors instead of 1, and may support up to 8 M2 Max’s tiled.
Yeah, I didn't miss the Mac Pro bit. Very interesting.

The other thing that grabbed my attention was the 2.5 TB/s (UltraFusion!) interconnect bandwidth (at 27:55). Johny then said that it's "more than 4 times the bandwidth of the leading multi-chip interconnect," which I'd think refers to AMD's Infinity Fabric 3.0 at 400 GB/s bidirectional. Oddly, though, he could have also said "more than 6 times the bandwidth," so I'm not sure what to make of that.

Anyway, the M1 Ultra has 800 GB/s memory bandwidth, 400 GB/s per die. So, 2.5 TB/s die-to-die seems... excessive. I guess there's some kind of cache unification that requires enormous throughput. Or perhaps the interconnect is designed to handle more dies in a different configuration.

Edit: After ruminating a bit, I think that Johny’s “more than 4 times the bandwidth” statement may be a hint at the next-gen interconnect/interposer.

Grabbing a napkin… Since each die can do 2.5 TB/s, and four dies would require six direct interconnects to be fully connected (3 on each die), each interconnect would handle 2.5/3 TB/s = 833 GB/s. Infinity Fabric can do 400 GB/s switched, so 800 GB/s total in a quad setup, and thus an average of 800/4 GB/s = 200 GB/s overall. 4 * 200 < 833 < 5 * 200, QED… Yeah, that’s the best I could massage the numbers.

Edit 2: I looked into Infinity Fabric some more and while it’s not switched, it’s unclear to me what the actual bandwidth would be in different configurations and my numbers above might be correct… ish. It seems like there are a lot of rules for different configurations.

Anyway, I saw a twitter post on March 8 by a Japanese reverse engineering firm TechanaLye indicating that they’d analyzed the UltraFusion region on the M1 Max. Nice die shots, but, sadly, the details would be in one of their paid reports.
 
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Does anyone have any idea how was the maxed out MACBOOK PRO M1 MAX
10-Core CPU / 32-Core GPU / 64GB Unified Memory

Compares to:

MAXED OUT STUDIO MAC

Apple M1 Ultra with 20-core CPU, 64-core GPU, 32-core Neural Engine / 128GB Unified Memory

How much faster is the Studio Mac?
Are there any benchmarks or comparisons anywhere?

The M1 chips scale pretty linearly... it should be twice the performance give or take a few percent.
 
Why 5 years from now? Why not embrace the insanity of this level of performance today? I don't understand the constant 'just wait' sentiment in this group at all.
I know it's stupid, GET SOME THING like a "Shovel" and start digging! Then in 3-5 years get a "Backhoe"
When you can actually DO SOMETHING with it! You gotta dive in a get started, don't worry about...
Yeah the M1 max can already edit 8k video fine it’s mad how people just want more power for the sake of it
Excuses to keep sitting on their ass, hey I admit I do too [butt] still...
Why even buy stuff anymore... it'll just be outdated tomorrow.
That's what's so hilarious about these posts, FOLKS now calm down calm down, guess what?

This is the M(1)NE family line of SoC hehehehe, what comes after 1? a... 2 (4nm)? exactly hehehehe just 2? what about 3 also! and 4?
Like LeBron said: 'Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7' titles!!

LOL
 
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Trash can Mac Pro was too ahead of its time. Now with Thunderbolt 4 and NVME SSDs, I have external SSDs that get around 2 GB/s. For those professionals that need it much faster, there is definitely RAID or even getting the 8TB internal SSD which if you are that Pro where 2 GB/s is not fast enough, you will make up the cost of a 8TB internal SSD no problem.
I really am surprised most people still trash this (pun sorta intended?) but praise the Xbox Series X (which is basically the same concept with boxy instead of cylindrical design).

The biggest downside for Apple computing products has been them not adjusting thermal needs of their partner products from Intel/AMD/etc. If Apple controls the silicon, their designs seem to work brilliantly.
 
And how much power will that use? 2X? Good God man the machine you describe will be a space heater.
Power usage might become a more relevant metric if energy prices continue to rise due to global geo-political turmoil, or if we simply need to ration usage due to limited supply from renewable energy sources. Energy efficiency could turn in the dominant specification.

After World-War III, this might be your "battery" and "generator". Use the wind to pump water into the tank, and then release it to generate an electric current in a scaled-down hydro-electric generator.

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Got a trashcan - it did well until the MacbookproM1Max. - which is of course, way faster.
The macbook is "just" a laptop. The trashcan was great design.
If the Studio had been a half height trashcan, I would have been v happy.
New Studio looks like a sandwich box.
I'll have a go at designing a stand for it - if only to get it out of the dust.
 
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Got a trashcan - it did well until the MacbookproM1Max. - which is of course, way faster.
The macbook is "just" a laptop. The trashcan was great design.
If the Studio had been a half height trashcan, I would have been v happy.
New Studio looks like a sandwich box.
I'll have a go at designing a stand for it - if only to get it out of the dust.
I'd love to see someone design a clear plastic shell to lift it off the desk like the old G4 cube. It really feels like the G4 Cube reborn, and that was my favorite Mac ever.
 
I can’t even imagine the Mac Pro. 2 or 4 of these Ultras. 8?

It will be ungodly.
That would just give you some other bottleneck (might even be the software that can't keep up) that would make that not ungodly.
 
I would love to see how this handles Maya and Blender. The kind of software that the most powerful desktop CPUs and GPU's can bring to its knees.
 
My only beef with the companions is like when they compared it to the 27" iMac - they aren't exactly regularly updated with the latest and greatest internals.

It's like when the M1 Mac mini came out - well the previous Mac mini update was from like 2014 or something.
 
They aren't in a thermal corner with this design. Did you not even watch the video?

Second, there will be a 40 core Mac Pro as a direct replacement for yours, with slots so you can upgrade the GPUs. It will also probably have upgradable RAM, if not it will offer at least a 256 Gb version.

Lastly, the $4,000 Ultra Studio Mac crushes your Mac Pro in every performance benchmark. Apple made something roughly twice as fast as your huge $10,000 battleship and put it in a cool little box for $4,000. Maybe it doesn't fit your needs but sounds like a really weird complaint.

If Apple released a 15 inch MacBook Pro for $999 that was faster than my 16 inch MBP I wouldn't complain about it.
What's super odd is that you need to be so aggressive in your response. My comments were just questions/opinions and I'm fully open to discussion. But don't really appreciate the agro of your comment. I never said this Mac would have a thermal issue. I know how much hell the trash can caused me. Apple publicly said they backed themselves into having problems. This is a super small form factor. I would worry about that happening again. Of course it's like comparing chalk and cheese as the apply silicon is the big difference, and I said I have no experience of this.

Not sure how you decided that it doesn't fit my needs, given you have no idea what my needs are. But I can tell you I utilise 192gb of ram right now in my system. Also no comparison of speeds with the pro Vega card I have in the system now.
 
Maybe don’t opine on things you haven’t actually tried.
Maybe don't make a comment at all, I was merely asking questions and voicing a concern. If there is nothing to it then fair enough, but what Is the deal with the shi**ty attitude of people commenting here. We're all allowed to speak freely.
 
And how much power will that use? 2X? Good God man the machine you describe will be a space heater.
Oh it will be ridiculous. That’s one thing Apple has over everybody else by a long shot is power consumption or power per watt. The Lovelace cards are going to be 400 W at the high-end.
 
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