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M1 Ultra Mac Studio is 2 Pounds Heavier Than M1 Max Version Due to Thermal Differences

"Is anyone else getting trash can Mac Pro vibes from the studio's"

It's a lot more like the last time they did a cube.
 
KPOM said:
Yes, the iMac Pro was very much a stopgap. The Apple Studio Display plus the Mac Studio collectively replace the iMac Pro. The fact that Apple still sells an Intel Mac Mini leads me to believe they will release a Mac Mini with the Mx Pro chip (to replace the now-discontinued 27” iMac), but you are right that the consumer/pro delineation is a bit clearer now.

There’s a big gap between the $999 MacBook Air an $1,999 14” MacBook Pro, but that could be filled with a higher end MacBook/Air vs. a base “Pro” model. We’ll see. It seems as though the rumors of an otherwise unmodified 13” Pro with the M2 were just to throw off the rumor sites or identify leakers.
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I also think that people complaining about cost here are missing the forest for the trees, because they're comparing product names and prices and not actually looking at product POWER per dollar spent.

Ever since M1 (or arguably the A12 or so), Apple has been punching WAAAY above its weight, surpassing previous product power by a staggering margin, for the same or slightly higher cost.

Thus, you may not need as much power as you think you need to get things done.

Or perhaps you may be getting way more power than you could previously afford.

Out of all Apple's machines, the Studio scales nicely from Prosumer to Mid-High Level Pro nicely.

The base M1s are SHOCKINGLY powerful for just about anyone, beating most Intel "Pro" Apple products that came before.
 
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CWallace said:
I would be very surprised if it was. I presume the SoCs, RAM and SSD are all soldered to the motherboard.

But with six TB4 ports, one can add a shedload of additional external storage.
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It would make sense. Have to re-arrange some of our storage then to think about buying one of these. But they are a great replacement for our ten-year old MacPro. Thanks.
 
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Realityck said:
Are you going to have to really reach for the Mac Studio power button when wall mounted? Also some have commented about putting it under a tabletop to hide another cord, where the highest preponderance of dust is present. Its such a insignificant design, is very interesting how people are bothered by its look/size. :)
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I think it looks fine. My first Mac was PowerMac G4 with shades of gray plastic and big handles. This looks beautiful vs. that (as far as I'm concerned).

I have essentially a hole in a wall with my work desk built into it. Desk has limited surface space but those walls are mostly empty. I typically leave my desktops on until they crash and simply sleep them when not using them, so need for easy access to power button or ports (once initially hooked up) is minimal. But no, if I needed to reach either, I could easily rotate the monitor or reach around. It wouldn't be inaccessible where I plan to put it.

I fully expected the release of Mac Mini PRO & MAX and there are plenty of Mac Mini wall mounts available. So I was mentally pretty committed to using open wall space for a vertical mount Mini vs. using it horizontally on the desk. Surprise! Studio is launched. Yes, it's taller but not really that much and as long as it was the right mount, it would physically work on my wall just as well.

My situation is "working Mac," meaning this will be heavily used for work. With my trusty Intel iMac recently conking, I lost my best macOS computer, my best Windows computer (for when I need Windows) and my best screen all in one hardware failure. So I definitely did not want a new iMac "bigger" had that shown up (regardless of price) as the monitor on the old iMac is still fine... but basically useless now that the guts have conked.

So I picked up an ultra-wide 5K2K for monitor with KVM built in and I was thinking Mac Mini MAX for macOS and a similar-sized mini PC for a new version of bootcamp-type utlity... with BOTH computers wall mounted instead of sitting on the desk. Relative to desk space, the net vs. the former iMac solution would be about the same- just the monitor stand, keyboard and mouse taking up desk space.

The shelf option somewhat undermines that plan as I don't have endless space behind the monitor, but certainly enough room for Studio mounted vertical (if that is possible/practical). Of course, I can shift plans and give them desk space but I don't want to let go of the idea unless it's just not a good option.
 
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Darth Tulhu said:
I also think that people complaining about cost here are missing the forest for the trees, because they're comparing product names and prices and not actually looking at product POWER per dollar spent.

Ever since M1 (or arguably the A12 or so), Apple has been punching WAAAY above its weight, surpassing previous product power by a staggering margin, for the same or slightly higher cost.

Thus, you may not need as much power as you think you need to get things done.

Or perhaps you may be getting way more power than you could previously afford.

Out of all Apple's machines, the Studio scales nicely from Prosumer to Mid-High Level Pro nicely.

The base M1s are SHOCKINGLY powerful for just about anyone, beating most Intel "Pro" Apple products that came before.
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True. More so than ever, even many people who consider themselves “pros” might get all the power they need from the base devices.
 
BWhaler said:
Maybe the reason there is no iMac Pro or 27” iMac is because the thermals, and subsequent size of case and fans/cooling system just wont work in display case for the Ultra.

Just speculation, of course. Maybe Apple could go backwards to the bubble back iMac design from years ago, but maybe that’s a bridge too far, even for the new, smarter Apple which is more focused on user needs, not product shots and designer fetishes.

I know Bloomberg says the iMac Pro is still coming, and I hope it is. But maybe the 27” iMac form factor is really, truly gone.
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They could have fit a M1 inside of a 27” chassis, heck they could have fit a M1 Max inside the just discontinued 27” iMac.
 
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Bug-Creator said:
Neither the Max nor the ULTRA would come even close to the Xeon used in the iMacPro so they would have need just a little extra depth compared to the 24" (maybe with those cooling vents found on the XDR).

It seems quite clear that Apple has come to the conclusion that an all_in_one is not the right way to do a "Pro" desktop in 2022 and that the iMac should return to it's pure consumer roots, which it clearly was (and was marketed as) from the G3 up to early Intel-
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As I remember, the iMac Pro had 500w power supply and was still relatively silent. The Ultra could easily be out into the old iMac Pro.
 
I really wanted to pre-order one, but since the window slipped I might as well wait for LTT Anthony to break review it.
 
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ddtmm said:
Interesting that they supply the same 370W power supply for both. Perhaps it is cheaper for them to just make 1 power supply. That's how they're able to pass the savings on to the customer.
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It's definitely cheaper and that's typical in stuff like this - I have a Lenovo Legion 7 laptop with RTX 3080 that comes with a massive 300 watt power brick to cover the 165 watt GPU, ~65 watt 8 core CPU and the rest of the components. Even if you order a lower spec model with a 75 watt 3050ti and a lower power CPU they give everyone the same ungodly 300 watt brick. Costs them less to just spec one that covers all rather than multiple SKUs for each.

The M1 Mac mini shares the same ~160 watt power supply as the old Intel version too, despite that whole system barely hitting 60w under full load. They didn't redesign the power supply when they swapped the internals to M1 and just left the overspec one in there.
 
The good thing about Apple's designs is that it influences other manufactures to design better looking monitors. This in plastic but with bubble in the back, 4k resolution and a plastic stand that does way more should knock about $800 off the price. The thinness is most of what it has going for it because if you want it for the visuals and can afford it, then why bother going bargain shopping for an alternative?
 
If the ultra needs an 8-pound heatsink, then will the Mac Pro weigh as much as a cartoon anvil? lol
 
DFZD said:
It also means there's no way M1 Ultra is making way into the Macbook Pro product line.
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The heat dissipation is for the power supply AND the CPU. In an iMac or a MBP, the power supply would be external. It’s a thing I think is “possible” but wouldn’t fit in with the price/performance plateaus they’ve built.
 
It just dawned on me...

There can't be a "pro" imac or "pro" mini due to thermal considerations, unless they go the iMac G5 route where it sounds like a hair dryer.

Seems like as cool as the M1 is, scaling it up turns it into a space heater.
 
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ddtmm said:
Interesting that they supply the same 370W power supply for both. Perhaps it is cheaper for them to just make 1 power supply. That's how they're able to pass the savings on to the customer.
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They even kept the same PSU in the Mac Mini when switching from Intel to M1.

If I recall correctly, it's a 150w PSU, with the Intel Mac Mini having a max power draw of ~125w, but the M1 only having a max power draw of ~40w.
 
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