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True. And as such a contractor, I can tell you I was using macs and Unix machines, not windows.

We were using Windows (for Office and any CAD) and Linux, IRIX, or Solaris (for everything else). I've very rarely seen Macs used in my industry - even with the ditching of OS 9. A few NASA guys with MacBooks for presentations. Not much else.

I do remember Burt Rutan was a big Ashlar Vellum fan, however.
 
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When one M1 Max isn’t enough, just slap two of them together and call it the M1 Ultra!

But seriously, these are some very impressive initial benchmarks. Can’t wait to see what the benchmarks are when it’s officially released!

Side note: why “Ultra?” Isn’t “max” supposed to be the finite best? Whoever comes up with Apple’s naming schemes needs to get a dictionary.
 
Apple did a good job of keeping secret the fact that two M1 Pro Max chips could be strung together.
Nah, I remember reading a deep dive on the chip, I think it was from Ars and they talked about this mysterious bus at the bottom of the chip and supposed it meant multiple dies could be connected. It was definitely out there and pretty well established this was coming.
 
When one M1 Max isn’t enough, just slap two of them together and call it the M1 Ultra!

But seriously, these are some very impressive initial benchmarks. Can’t wait to see what the benchmarks are when it’s officially released!

Side note: why “Ultra?” Isn’t “max” supposed to be the finite best? Whoever comes up with Apple’s naming schemes needs to get a dictionary.
My point is that m1 max benchmarks at apple presentation were also very impressive... but real world results, while still good, are very far from apple's initial claims.

As for real world results - here's a spoiler - take m1 max performance and double it - that's the performance you will probably get from these machines. (slightly less than that). Not bad of course, but it is still not something you do not get from competition at similar price point.
Pair that with crippled software (we still have memory leaks after 6 months on their major OS version)... Reality sucks.
 
My point is that m1 max benchmarks at apple presentation were also very impressive... but real world results, while still good, are very far from apple's initial claims.

As for real world results - here's a spoiler - take m1 max performance and double it - that's the performance you will probably get from these machines. (slightly less than that). Not bad of course, but it is still not something you do not get from competition at similar price point.
Pair that with crippled software (we still have memory leaks after 6 months on their major OS version)... Reality sucks.
Yeah, not impressed. Are we already at the stage of the G5 where they had to make a dual G5 (with diminishing returns) because they were stuck with the speed of the silicon itself?

The same core at the same clock speed warmed over after 18 months is discouraging for $4000. And now we need 3” of cooling space?

I am happy with my 16” Pro, but I would expect more for $4000. The premium for the Ultra chip over the Max is $1400 at the base GPU count. That’s an iMac.
 
slap four M1MAXs together and call it the Ultra Instinct
That's likely what the Mac Pro will have. Though it will be interesting to see what they do in terms of expansion.

After taking a beating on the trashcan Mac Pro, and fixing the expansion issues with the 2019 Mac Pro, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
 
At least you can run a lot more software than any arm processor plus windows, Linux as well as your Hacked Mac OS…
That’a what’s keeping me happy right now. I stream on Twitch five days a week and with Intel CPU I have access to all the PC games I could want to stream.

I mostly stream Switch games but even still.
 
Can an unlimited number of these M1 Max chips be strung together?

Also, I would love an iPhone Pro Max with an M1 Ultra.
 
Worse than usesless, it's misleading.

Most benchmarks are merely useless because they're generally measuring "turbo speed".

. . . . .

Best yet, give me a benchmark that warms up for 30 minutes and then renders from minutes 31-60. That'd be more accurate and useful. The difference between 5 and 10 seconds being "twice as fast" is very little compared to something that takes 2 hours vs 4 hours or worse, 20 hours vs 40 hours.

GeekBench is just a glorified pissing contest.

The M1s should do very well in your idea of a benchmark. And especially the Mac Studio which seems to have an actually robust cooling system. Once these are out in the wild, we can watch a use case like you suggest. Looking at the size of that fan in the Studio, Apple has addressed the issue you are concerned about.

But in any case, these are benchmarks that we are all familiar with. They serve a purpose.
 
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Nah, I remember reading a deep dive on the chip, I think it was from Ars and they talked about this mysterious bus at the bottom of the chip and supposed it meant multiple dies could be connected. It was definitely out there and pretty well established this was coming.
Looks like Tom’s Hardware predicted M1 Ultra in December 2021, just not the exact configuration.

 
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I would say Tim Cook is doing a very fine job with bringing Apple to the front of computing again, be it mobile phone, iPads with M1s to this new beast. There is truly a computer capability and price for nearly anyone across the product line (will never please em all). At some point, he really deserves credit for where he is taking Apple and Apple silicon. Maybe after a decade, some people can start to give him some credit for today’s solid and very fresh product line.
 
Nah, I remember reading a deep dive on the chip, I think it was from Ars and they talked about this mysterious bus at the bottom of the chip and supposed it meant multiple dies could be connected. It was definitely out there and pretty well established this was coming.
I remember the same.

EDIT: With as bloated as Mac OS has become, they might do well to figure out a way to add a SOC JUST for Mac OS, that the software running ON it doesn't see.
 
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Not true. Most of the enterprise grade software for electrical and electromagnetic design and simulation is written primarily for Windows.
I seem to recall seeing Windows running chip/electronics design software in Apple's engineering space that they show us in their events every year...
 
It's useless for all the reasons that followed your second sentence.
Pretty safe to say that the CPU with a significantly higher Geekbench score is going to compile code and run browser JS faster IRL.

Edit: And the "real-life" test won't give you a much better signal. Only trying it yourself will.
 
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Pretty safe to say that the CPU with a significantly higher Geekbench score is going to compile code and run browser JS faster IRL.

Yes, although JS is largely single-threaded. The M2 will be a better bet for web browsing than the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra.
 
Yes, although JS is largely single-threaded. The M2 will be a better bet for web browsing than the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra.
Right, I should've specified, multi-core for compiling code and single-core for JS. Unless somehow you have 20 expensive web tabs open.
 
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