Yeah, except that if you do scientific computing, Apple is no longer in the game.
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M1 Ultra Outperforms 28-Core Intel Mac Pro in First Leaked Benchmark
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Let's hope that they will *not* make the Mac Pro smaller (and hence louder and with less thermal dissipation capacity and with less expandability). To be honest I never Understood why on Earth anyone would care to make a workstation or desktop PC tinier / iMac thinner etc. Those are not portable computers and smaller size / smaller thickness brings only disadvantages.
My razer blade 17 with a 12900h and 3080ti arę likely ahead of this fancy new chip… I’m sooooo not mad of getting out of the apple ecosystem with my first ever windows laptop purchase now. (The multi-core should improve once I reinstall windows and install windows 11 pro and go from a balanced power plan - the only one that I have been able to show up - to ultra performance power plan.
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Right, I forgot. Most of the systems on ebay and such are 'off-lease' systems that are sold by the leasing company to another entity to get them off their books. They have been 'expensed' and whatever accountants say, and are, in some cases, just taking up space, especially after being returned at the end of a lease. Often they are stinky, dirty, covered with labels, driveless, sometimes beaten up a little, etc... People can get great deals, but I bought a MicroVax, and couldn't find drives (for a reasonable price) and ended up scrapping it, sadly... It was missing a few boards too for some reason (parted out by someone).
True, which is why the trash can was an issue for *some* users. If you can't fit it in the older Mac Pro, you likely don't need it. Those were 'spacious' inside. The latest tower is too, but not quite as much, but still 'cavernous'. The Trash Can was a disappointment for some, but people made do with what they had, and Apple apparently knew they blew it shortly after releasing it (?) as they effectively dropped it and didn't update it for a long time. I would think that Apple won't do a 'big Mac Studio' machine as that would be back to the trash can again, but wait and see.
But, yes, the Mac Pro (except for TC) was about the horsepower, expandability and space. If someone can cluster Mac Studio cans together, I'm sure they will sell a bunch, but stay tuned to see what Apple has learned to see what's released. It should be a blast! (I keep hoping for immersive cooling)
The part about subscriptions is a good point. Our work uses highly custom subscriptions software that is something like 25k per license. The computer cost is the rounding error. Software is crazy.
I am no marketer, just spitballing. But it is very clear by the year-old leaks that the Jade 2C was for the top end Mac Studio and the entry Mac Pro. The Jade 4C is the top end Mac Pro SoC and it is clearly going to be one of the most ridiculous workstations [for certain workflows] thats ever been engineered.
I sure as heck hope they got something better than "M1 Ultra Duo" ?
I am uncertain on the future of mac expansion, though. Could we even add dedicated graphics to these new Mac Pros? Will we go back to the days of port addon cards? Maybe even dongles? Will we go back to the trash can design?
I know this is all stupid questions, but the future ARM macs are interesting to look into.
I know this is all stupid questions, but the future ARM macs are interesting to look into.
But having multiple “Ultras” in one Mac Pro wouldn’t violate that rule.
They still have the final member of that family, just multiple of them. Yeah the interconnect is probably going to be slower but considering ring the sheer memory bandwidth the ultra already has it will still be pretty fast.
They still have the final member of that family, just multiple of them. Yeah the interconnect is probably going to be slower but considering ring the sheer memory bandwidth the ultra already has it will still be pretty fast.
You mean multiple sockets? No way they do that. There’s nothing in m1 max that lets it talk to more than one other processor. No way to keep the caches coherent, etc. etc. Not going to happen.
They're full of it imo. They will either just brand it as AN EVEN MORE POWERFUL M1 Ultra or what was said in this marketing material yesterday was an innocent little white lie.
The Jade die leak has been accurate all the way up to yesterday's reveal. I don't think the 4 M1 Max Jade 4C Die is going to be the moment it busts.
Unless they’re going to do the same trick again where they aren’t talking about it until they show off the new product.
They also hid the interconnect part of the chip in the die shots for the M1 Max.
There may be a way for apple to build a multi-M1 ultra computer and they are just secretive about it at the moment.
But you can actually look at the die photos and you can look at the work the Linux folks have done reverse-engineering how interrupts work and you can tell that there is no way for an M1 Max to connect to more than one other M1 Max.
We all saw the interconnect, and many of us said exactly what it was for.
And it is for connecting to 1, and only 1, other die.
Is there anything, even enterprise level, that might compete with jade 4c? If not I don’t think we will see a 8c for 2 generations.
I’m particular curious in your line of work and business and they the business you work with if several Mac studios can work in tandem for the work in the video or graph court that you need kind of like a network processing of the workflow or rendering?
Yes but the method of the connection was not understood nor was it ever rumoured in fact the one that was rumoured for the kind of interconnect was totally destroyed by Srouji because they had a better solution that’s the Innovation of Apple
I don't think that's correct. We've known about the interconnect and the Jade 2C-Die since early December.
Potentially Beastly Apple M1 Quadra CPU Detailed In Chip Die Map Analysis
Looking at the bottom of the M1 Max CPU die, experts see Apple may be planning on interconnecting the SoCs.
this is one of those chicken and egg type statements.
If there’s no high-end games available you won’t see the man for it last long enough to get it there which is the exact same situation spo going on with Mac OS 10 for a while.
So at the end of the day Apples iOS and iPad or have several games all the scene out of them high-end butter and joy by a lot of users so there is a market of employees or conss that like to game on Mac devices now Apple sod fit to understand the market for gaming and allow iOS apps to play on M1 based CPU is or any Apple Silicon-based CPU that means there’s a market is just finding the target market to play those games on Mac OS X that research needs to be done by the scooters or programming houses in teams but simply saying there’s no money in it, it’s false because if we look at games on iOS and iPad OS uses 10 to pay more money on those games then on android there is a market there is money in it it just needs to happen