Unless they take it out to the nürburgring and give us the lap times, are car reviewers really reviewing the new camry hybrid properly?
I won't buy a high-mpg economy sedan unless it has a 0-60mph of under 4 seconds.
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I won't buy a high-mpg economy sedan unless it has a 0-60mph of under 4 seconds.
I find it quite funny to see so many times the comment... for 150$ more i get a MBP, but hey you are not comparing the same. Do you value the small size and light weight? For me, that's a priority, I've spent 2000€ in a MBA and I don't care if i can get a MBP for just a little extra, I value light weight, battery, magsafe etc so it's not right to compare it that way because it's a totally different laptop and you loose that portability.
And MBA will get your job done. Unless you are using DAILY heavy use tasks, MBA is the way to go. In that case I totally understand that people would upgrade for a MBP, but if that's not the case, then take advantage of the amazing laptop that apple has created.
Both MBA and MBP will be snappy in daily tasks, so why would you get the MBP if you only occasionally push it to the limits? You will loose so many valuable things such as portabiliy, long-lasting battery and light weight just for having the "extra power" that you barely use. And when you need it, MBA will do it, just will take few more minutes, that's it. It's not that it's not capable of!
And MBA will get your job done. Unless you are using DAILY heavy use tasks, MBA is the way to go. In that case I totally understand that people would upgrade for a MBP, but if that's not the case, then take advantage of the amazing laptop that apple has created.
Both MBA and MBP will be snappy in daily tasks, so why would you get the MBP if you only occasionally push it to the limits? You will loose so many valuable things such as portabiliy, long-lasting battery and light weight just for having the "extra power" that you barely use. And when you need it, MBA will do it, just will take few more minutes, that's it. It's not that it's not capable of!
Even if you’re editing video, you’re probably not rendering for hours on end. Most pro applications only need bursts of high cpu usage, and their system requirements haven’t increased like the performance of these chips over the past many years. The M2 is benchmarking higher than the base Mac Pro. Yes, there are thermal limitations for some workflows, but you can get plenty of cpu intensive work done on these machines without them breaking a sweat.
Don’t throw gas on the fire! The M2 MBA will not shut down due to an extended render. It just slows down to keep from overheating. The only overheating risk would be if you were trying to do that render while taking a schwitz in a sauna. 😊
It's funny, I have a 2019 Macbook Pro which doing BASIC things gets warm (same with the Pro I had before it) and I played 1hr 30min of World of Warcraft at the highest settings and it was slightly warm, nothing major. Frames on the game never dropped below 60.
I know lots of folks are arguing with you on most of your points. But I'm going to add that I strongly suspect that eliminating the 2x128GB NAND on the base computer that Apple probably expects to sell this design/model of for at least two and maybe three more years was to remove entirely from their supply chain all 128GB SSDs in the future. They will probably sell the M1 with those 2x128GB SSDs for another year, but not much longer than that. Once those are done, the 128GB SSDs are done. The 256 SSDs will be part of the supply chain for years because they make up the standard 512GB configuration, which is probably going to be the standard at some point and is the base level for M1 14" Pro and when they make them, the 14" M2 Pros.
I've watched some head to head videos of M2 Air versus slightly more expensive Dell XPS laptops and the M2 Air overall radically outperforms the Dells. Honestly, the M2 Air seems a bargain at 16GB/512GB configuration compared to Intel laptops. Though that is partly because I value battery life on a laptop.
Ah, the classic car analogy that some people here seem to love despite it's tenuous links to computing.
You're equating stress testing a consumer focussed laptop with taking a family car on a race circuit? You believe that the average car user is going to take their car on a track day as often than the average laptop user is going to stress their laptop to its limits? Stressing a laptop and stressing a car do not hold the same weight for their respective users. Pointless analogy.
Right, so following your analogy if your M2 Air takes 10 seconds to open Chrome that's ok? After all the M2 Air is equivalent to a high-mpg economy sedan so it should be slow really. But wait, the M2 is actually faster to open things than the 'race car' 14" M1 Pro because of the M2's higher single core performance. But hang on, when was the last time a high-mpg economy sedan outperformed a race car in any performance metric?
"Analogy:
- A similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar."
Clearly I am. Even the way you describe my position makes the reasonableness plain.
Again, perfect fit is not required for effective analogy. But I truly do believe that the average laptop user will never even once bring an M2 Air up to 108 degrees C.
Again, perfect fit not required for analogy. The way you're sucking all the fun out of it here... do you think this makes me look bad, or you?
Yes a perfect fit is not required for something to be an analogy, you're correct. But I never said it wasn't an analogy. I just said it was tenuous, which it is, so it's therefore a bit pointless.
I'm sorry to spoil your fun of using a poor analogy to argue against the worth of benchmarking a laptop for consumers to make a purchasing decision.
The point is that analogy is allowed to be tenuous. It only has to line up a little bit.
And you haven't spoiled my fun - you've just made yourself look like someone who's hard to talk to at parties.
Yes an analogy can be tenuous. And an analogy can be bad too. And generally the more tenuous the analogy is, the less helpful it is because you don't know where to draw the line between the two things.
Well done, fantastic insult. Because obviously the way I interact on an online technology forum is exactly how I interact at parties.