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Playing victim on an anonymous forum. lol Dude.

"your points have been explained to you over and over again."
Dude stop acting as if you have some kind of authority over this topic.
Okay. I never said I was. But I also give up. You just want to argue and have no interest in anyone who does not share your irrational outrage. Waste of time.

Just don’t buy one. It’s okay. The machine isn’t going to come get you.

Why do you bother to ask questions when unless someone agrees with you (and so far many of us have tried to reason with you) if you have no interest in listening?

Moving on. Better things to do.
 
That’s weird because I have recently changed career focus from an epidemiologist to war logistics expert to electronic engineering design with a focus in thermal systems.
This makes you my new God and I wish to build a statue for you in honor.
 
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What point are you trying to make? I feel like we are ultimately making the same point. The M2 MBA is capable of doing some light productivity? I don't disagree; I said as much in my post.
Sigh. You're STILL making the mistake that there's power use and 'light productivity'. The world is more complex than that and it's disheartening to see this simplistic view so entrenched.

Will some people who don't need ANY real power use an Air? Sure. But your mistake is taking that fact and then saying that the Air is just a 'more capable chromebook.'
 
Sigh. You're STILL making the mistake that there's power use and 'light productivity'. The world is more complex than that and it's disheartening to see this simplistic view so entrenched.

Will some people who don't need ANY real power use an Air? Sure. But your mistake is taking that fact and then saying that the Air is just a 'more capable chromebook.'
Yeah. At least have the impartiality to call it a less capable MacBook Pro. 😉
 
Which is its design goal. Again, we've gone from being amazed that an Air can outmuscle the last generation Intel MBPs by a lot, to consigning them to only being good for light browsing. Come. On.
this is my favorite part of this whole discussion — when the M1 air came out, people were BLOWN AWAY and talking about how its a "full on pro level machine" that can literally take on anything you throw at it, unless u are like running your own Hollywood movie studio or something

Now with the updated m2 chip and design, apparently the base model can barely browse the internet with 5 tabs open lmao
 
this is my favorite part of this whole discussion — when the M1 air came out, people were BLOWN AWAY and talking about how its a "full on pro level machine" that can literally take on anything you throw at it, unless u are like running your own Hollywood movie studio or something

Now with the updated m2 chip and design, apparently the base model can barely browse the internet with 5 tabs open lmao
It is a bit silly.

The M1 and M2 MBAs are relatively powerful devices that can handle a wide range of computing tasks from word processing, web browsing to development, photo editing, and even video editing. What they are not great at is doing the heaviest tasks continuously. In that case, they do hit their thermal limits and slow down. That is not surprising and not a terrible result. I have seen no evidence that normal tasks cause this kind of throttling.

Some people seem to act like no matter what you do n the Air it will melt down.
Others are arguing against that you no one using an Air would ever do anything but browse the web.

Neither of those positions are based in reality. The M2 Air is fast and powerful within it’s performance envelope and that is a pretty wide envelope. It can do that without scorching your shorts. But it is not a mobile workstation and it is possible reach its thermal limits and it handles that well when it does but absolute performance does suffer in that case.
 
this is my favorite part of this whole discussion — when the M1 air came out, people were BLOWN AWAY and talking about how its a "full on pro level machine" that can literally take on anything you throw at it, unless u are like running your own Hollywood movie studio or something

Now with the updated m2 chip and design, apparently the base model can barely browse the internet with 5 tabs open lmao
Yes!!!! It’s driving me crazy! The M1 is crazy good, but the M2 is somehow worse? I don’t buy it.
 
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whats the benefit of putting M2 instead of M1 in the new Air apart from marketing? Going by your comments it seems you will be perfectly happy even if they put an underclocked M1 in the new Air as that would be plenty fast for day to day computing.

I don't get the obsession people have with the Pro in the name of a product. They have a 13 inch MBP with the same M2 processor. They used to sell dual core MBP with integrated graphics since ages. They have an AirPods Pro. Whats so pro about it ?

I don't know why people on this forum don't discuss a product on its merit.

If someone says they should have not made MBA throttle so badly or gimped on ssd performance someone would be quick to point to them to get a pro. Why ?

Seeing the teardowns of MBA it does not even seem to have a proper heatsink let alone a fan. SSD is gimped on purpose to push users to upgrade.

And if someone complains about these flaws someone will be quick to steer them towards pro. WOW.
Cannot believe so many people are so stupid as to assume Apple did not have this area of thermal control properly covered. It turns out iFixit and the other youtube grifters were all wrong. And people like you are victims of the grift.

The MacBook Air M2 actually uses an advanced graphite-based heat spreader, using technology made by Panasonic, a pyrolytic graphite sheet with nearly the thermal conductance of diamond, 5 times that of copper, and far more advanced than what is in the M1 based MacBook Air.


Yes, the material dismissed by the idiots at iFixit as “black tape” turns out to be one of the most advanced passive heat management systems in any laptop, and you bought their story hook, line, and sinker.


Apple has truly cast pearls before swine here.
 
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Cannot believe so many people are so stupid as to assume Apple did not have this area of thermal control properly covered. It turns out iFixit and the other youtube grifters were all wrong. And people like you are victims of the grift.

The MacBook Air M2 actually uses an advanced graphite-based heat spreader, using technology made by Panasonic, a pyrolytic graphite sheet with nearly the thermal conductance of diamond, 5 times that of copper, and far more advanced than what is in the M1 based MacBook Air.


Yes, the material dismissed by the idiots at iFixit as “black tape” turns out to be one of the most advanced passive heat management systems in any laptop, and you bought their story hook, line, and sinker.

Apple has truly cast pearls before swine here.
But a clickbait title with THERMAL THROTTLING in caps and a thumbnail of me doing a surprised soyface does numbers!
 
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The 14" MBP's thermals aren't all that stellar either. Frankly, the 13" MacBook Pro (M1 version more than M2 version) and 16" MacBook Pro (M1 Pro/Max) are better thermal performers.
Fact check? The Max chip will obviously be more thermally constrained in the 14" than in the 16", but the 14" has widely been lauded as having excellent thermal management. The Pro chip is mostly dead silent.
 
The MacBook Air M2 actually uses an advanced graphite-based heat spreader, using technology made by Panasonic, a pyrolytic graphite sheet with nearly the thermal conductance of diamond, 5 times that of copper, and far more advanced than what is in the M1 based MacBook Air..

Advanced new technology does not always work as intended in the real world.

Certain years of the Power Macintosh G5 towers used a very advanced (for the time) sealed liquid cooling system. It worked very well initially, and I bought them. But over time a significant number of these systems leaked causing catastrophic failure. I had two of these towers which failed in this way. Apple eventually stopped using this cooling system and went back to more normal heatsinks in newer Macs.

I don’t think I need to detail the ”missing” heat pipe and other cooling systems Apple used during the final years of Intel MacBooks, as there are hundreds of pages of threads on this forum already discussing these. Some of these designs were also disappointing.

A disappointing design is not necessarily unworkable or even poor. It may even be perfectly acceptable for many users.

“Disappointing” just means it could have been better. Apple has the ability to do better. Apple often listens to critiques and does do better.
 
“Disappointing” just means it could have been better. Apple has the ability to do better. Apple often listens to critiques and does do better.
Yeah but "disappointing" in this context just means something pretty nuanced and outside the likely use cases for these devices.

You could reasonably use the M2 MBA as a primary frontend web and mobile development workstation and not have issues with thermals because of the processor workload profile of those tasks. Pretty "pro" workflow though.

The things that put this computer at the high-end of its thermal capacity are professional video editing and serious desktop gaming. You know, things where that audience pretty much already knows they need to buy a 14in/16in MBP or Mac Studio to do.
 
If it gets as hot while in a Facetime, Teams or Zoom call like with my Mac mini (2018, Intel), I'll send it back. Video conferencing is more than an average use case for a MBA.
No one has shown the M1 MBA getting warm in those use cases. It is only when you do sustained tasks like 8K Renders with filters that use all CPU cores and all GPU cores that it bumps up against its heat dissipation limits and slows down by 10-20% to cool off. Other times it runs cool just like the M1 Air does.
 
No one has shown the M1 MBA getting warm in those use cases. It is only when you do sustained tasks like 8K Renders with filters that use all CPU cores and all GPU cores that it bumps up against its heat dissipation limits and slows down by 10-20% to cool off. Other times it runs cool just like the M1 Air does.
Yep. I have the SOC die average temp (plus cpu & gpu load and mem pressure) for my M1 Air showing at all times on my menu bar. Video conferencing is a trivial workload for this computer.
 
Does anyone know how to remove the bottom panel of the M2 macbook air? iFixit doesn't really show the process.
Watch the first MaxTech M2 MacBook Air video. There are some clips along with the screws. They demonstrate unclipping them. Just opening your MBA won’t void the warranty unless you damage it.
 
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