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The SSD cost saving is funny to me as I am fairly certain my iPad Air has 2x128gb allowing my little fella to be faster then the ā€œproā€ laptop in storage performance. Not really a dig, I see why it was likely optimal for them to do that but still creates some irony.
 
I decided to buy the MacBook Pro 14. I just feel better on it’s longevity. I was holding out for the portability and the vain/silly desire for Midnight. Color for me is a silly reason to pick which MacBook to pick
 
Increasing clock speed creates more heat. We know this. And the die is larger. This chip is a major disappointment and makes me concerned that Apple had a great gen 1 without a viable roadmap to make the transition worth it long term.
 
Some people defending M2 heat and SSD performance but these are both hardware issues so I can’t see it’s possible to put any positive spin on them. 14 Pro looks the best bet by a long way.
 
Some people defending M2 heat and SSD performance but these are both hardware issues so I can’t see it’s possible to put any positive spin on them. 14 Pro looks the best bet by a long way.
Depending on needs definitely, but that 14ā€ pro also only gets 11 hours web browsing battery life and that was annoying to me for its overall size and weight. iPad Air M1 is doing the same thing in a much nicer overall package. Again depending on use case, it wont matter for some people but for me it does, and as a modern ā€œMacBookā€œ equivalent is missing, the iPads are now Apple’s most ultra portable computers.
 
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Depending on needs definitely, but that 14ā€ pro also only gets 11 hours web browsing battery life and that was annoying to me for its overall size and weight. iPad Air M1 is doing the same thing in a much nicer overall package. Again depending on use case, it wont matter for some people but for me it does, and as a modern ā€œMacBookā€œ equivalent is missing, the iPads are now Apple’s most ultra portable computers.

Comparing a tablet to a laptop is not even funny.
 
Some people defending M2 heat and SSD performance but these are both hardware issues so I can’t see it’s possible to put any positive spin on them. 14 Pro looks the best bet by a long way.
Not the best bet if you want thin and light with a long battery life. Apple knows what they are doing. The M2 MacBook Air will likely throttle about the same as the M1 MBA does—about 15-20% after a sustained load. I rarely have tasks that last more than a minute or two.

The SSD performance issue is only on the lowest end 256 GB. I’m not going with less than 1TB so it doesn’t matter to me.
 
Not the best bet if you want thin and light with a long battery life. Apple knows what they are doing. The M2 MacBook Air will likely throttle about the same as the M1 MBA does—about 15-20% after a sustained load. I rarely have tasks that last more than a minute or two.

The SSD performance issue is only on the lowest end 256 GB. I’m not going with less than 1TB so it doesn’t matter to me.

I honestly doubt that, in most workflows, you'll even notice the difference with the SSD. When you're moving a lot of files to and from the SSD, sure. But in just using the laptop in day to day use I don't think it'll be very noticable if there's just one NAND chip for the 256GB SSD.
 
A mac with no fan, like a MacBook air, would throttle before it gets to an extreme temperature.
For some 100C-104C is extreme temperature and the M2 Mbp still kept the same 3.2 Ghz and even when you max out the fan and you get colder SoC temp, the clock is still there and not reaching 3.49Ghz
So for now, the M2 Mbp is behave like the M2 Mba
 
I honestly doubt that, in most workflows, you'll even notice the difference with the SSD. When you're moving a lot of files to and from the SSD, sure. But in just using the laptop in day to day use I don't think it'll be very noticable if there's just one NAND chip for the 256GB SSD.
The SSD speed would be an issue for anyone buying base M2 Air or Pro with 8GB/256GB as soon as memory swapping kicks in.
 
The SSD cost saving is funny to me as I am fairly certain my iPad Air has 2x128gb allowing my little fella to be faster then the ā€œproā€ laptop in storage performance. Not really a dig, I see why it was likely optimal for them to do that but still creates some irony.
would u mind testing that ?im genuinely curious.

is there no app/sw that allows for ssd testing ?
 
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would u mind testing that ?im genuinely curious.

is there no app/sw that allows for ssd testing ?
You can download Blackmagic Disk Speed Test from App Store. It's what they ran in the Alex Siskind video I've seen in this thread. FWIW, I like Alex & don't consider him click bait, unlike Max Tech. Anyway, if you run it, maybe run it twice, so you can get an average, but don't run that thing frequently, because you're stressing the SSD for no good reason.
 
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The SSD cost saving is funny to me as I am fairly certain my iPad Air has 2x128gb allowing my little fella to be faster then the ā€œproā€ laptop in storage performance. Not really a dig, I see why it was likely optimal for them to do that but still creates some irony.

iPad Air 5 logic board only has space for one NAND chip.
 
Really feel like people are conflating YouTube reviewers trying to find a single reason why a person might buy this Pro over the new Air with the idea that this air will perform poorly because it has no fan. Apple designed the M2 chip and the M2 Air chassis. I would shocked if there is a major performance issue with the M2 in the MacBook Air because Apple chose not to put a fan in a chip they designed for the machine.

It wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see a completely thermally reengineered MacBook Pro when the tear downs come in. The M2 is <20W. Dissipating the heat generated from that in a passive is not a particularly difficult engineering problem. Remember the old MacBook Air was using a chassis designed for Intel machines as well. No one right how has an idea it will perform with a fanless chassis actually designed for the silicon.
 
You can download Blackmagic Disk Speed Test from App Store. It's what they ran in the Alex Siskind video I've seen in this thread. FWIW, I like Alex & don't consider him click bait, unlike Max Tech. Anyway, if you run it, maybe run it twice, so you can get an average, but don't run that thing frequently, because you're stressing the SSD for no good reason.
oh i was talking about such an app on IPAD :)) i already have blackmagic sw installed

yeah i know alex he's done some intersting tests
 
Really feel like people are conflating YouTube reviewers trying to find a single reason why a person might buy this Pro over the new Air with the idea that this air will perform poorly because it has no fan. Apple designed the M2 chip and the M2 Air chassis. I would shocked if there is a major performance issue with the M2 in the MacBook Air because Apple chose not to put a fan in a chip they designed for the machine.

It wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see a completely thermally reengineered MacBook Pro when the tear downs come in. The M2 is <20W. Dissipating the heat generated from that in a passive is not a particularly difficult engineering problem. Remember the old MacBook Air was using a chassis designed for Intel machines as well. No one right how has an idea it will perform with a fanless chassis actually designed for the silicon.

M2 is 30W chip. It's tough getting 10-15W passively cooled, and much harder with 20W. If it were so easy, everyone would be doing passively cooled PC notebooks. Ice Lake has a TDP of 12-25W.

M2 MBA chassis is thinner than M1 MBA. There isn't some engineering trick Apple can pull out of a hat to make 20-30W disappear.

M2 MBP teardowns show the exact same heatsink/fan set up as before. Notebookcheck says "the cooling solution cannot utilize the full potential of the M2 chip."

Most importantly, there is the marketing angle. Apple removed the fan from the M1 MBA chassis to limit performance and we see throttling. M2 is a hotter chip in a thinner MBA chassis.
 
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