There is a very load and vocal section of tech enthusiasts that feel the iPad should function like a traditional computer because they don’t find it useful for them. So many of the people I know who own iPads own them because it’s the same user experience as their iPhones. Even I use the iPad for tasks it’s best at and only go to my Mac when needed. Another thing that serves the iPad well is the upgrade cycle is so long. I kept my last iPad Pro for 6 years before I upgraded to the m4. Even Microsoft has stopped trying to push their surface tablets aggressively. If that type of device was what consumers really wanted they would be selling better then iPads
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M2 iPad Air Runs Windows 11 ARM via Emulation, Thanks to EU Rules
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I understand that enthusiasts want more than current iPadOS.
But for the average iPad user - what does Win Arm in an emulator offer???
Real UTM on the iPad would be incredibly welcome. It would serve a lot of pain points with the iPad for developers. It doesnt seem like the developer story for the iPad is an area Apple cares about, but if we can get a real UTM engine going and install Ubuntu or another linux, it would really be awesome
Right now, insanely, the only way to make the iPad into a "real" dev computer is attach a $22 Raspberry Pi to it
So why not just get a Mac? Because its also nice to be able to read PDFs on the iPad and take notes with the pencil, and constantly carrying around two machines is ridiculous - specially since they have the same fricken Apple Silicon in them
Right now, insanely, the only way to make the iPad into a "real" dev computer is attach a $22 Raspberry Pi to it
So why not just get a Mac? Because its also nice to be able to read PDFs on the iPad and take notes with the pencil, and constantly carrying around two machines is ridiculous - specially since they have the same fricken Apple Silicon in them
Actually it does. The iPad is a big commercial success, while windows-based tablets have basically just eaten a bit of the laptop market.
What CPU does your PC have? A lot of people do have TPM integrated into their CPU and don't realize that it's just an option that needs to be turned on in the BIOS. Basically, if you have an Intel 8700 or newer (or AMD equivalent) you can find and enable that setting (or install the most recent BIOS update for your motherboard, which should enable it for you).Why can an iPad run Windows 11 at 0.1 FPS , but my PC which lacks a TPM 2.0 is summarily denied?
I know, I know - it's emulated, but my gripe remains valid!
Here's a list of supported Intel processors (for AMD click the link on the left side of the page): https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors.
Tell me why I want to run Windows 11 on an iPad. So, I buy an iPad, a keyboard, a mouse, a side-loaded app, and a license to Windows 11 because I just can't resist the paying more than I would for a faster Surface?
I can see Mac users needing emulation or VM support for enterprise apps that are occasionally used. I can't see a business environment that has standardized on iPads needing legacy windows apps to run on the iPad. It would seem nuts to do that. But, I'd be happy if someone could tell me real uses for this. That is, beyond "I'm a geek and I feel compelled to do useless things to demonstrate that I can."
I can see Mac users needing emulation or VM support for enterprise apps that are occasionally used. I can't see a business environment that has standardized on iPads needing legacy windows apps to run on the iPad. It would seem nuts to do that. But, I'd be happy if someone could tell me real uses for this. That is, beyond "I'm a geek and I feel compelled to do useless things to demonstrate that I can."
Didn’t the article say it’s a slimmed down version of Windows and still runs poorly? Also doesn’t say anything of what it does to battery life.
Finally, those angry at Apple can run their preferred system on a device they dislike and decided to buy.
TBH it was more a dig at iPad os than a wow it can run a fully fledged OS.
I think iPad os would work better as a slimmed down OSX instead of a copy and paste iOS where it took 18 iterations before they remembered the calculator.
Also just to add I use UTM on my macbook pro M4 Pro as part of my uni course as it covers linux atm and I'm emulating the raspberry pi version of debian, so I know some of the limitations
I’ve tried running UTM SE on my iPad with a View to running Ubuntu in a VM. Without JiT it’s hopeless.
Making iPad OS truly useful for professionals (as has been hinted) involves adding JiT as well as proper filesystem support. There are a number of reasons why it would also be useful on IOS.
I have an M4 iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard. It’s so extremely frustrating that it comes so close, yet so far, from being a credible laptop replacement (especially when travelling on business). My MacBook died last year, and while waiting for a replacement I was able to do 80% of work related tasks (at the time was a tech exec). And the extra portability was amazing.
Making iPad OS truly useful for professionals (as has been hinted) involves adding JiT as well as proper filesystem support. There are a number of reasons why it would also be useful on IOS.
I have an M4 iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard. It’s so extremely frustrating that it comes so close, yet so far, from being a credible laptop replacement (especially when travelling on business). My MacBook died last year, and while waiting for a replacement I was able to do 80% of work related tasks (at the time was a tech exec). And the extra portability was amazing.
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We are grown ups Apple, let us run whatever OS we like on our devices. Personally I would love to make my M4 iPad pro 13" useful by installing Mac OS on it. That would be my dream machine and then be able to launch iPad apps inside for books and magazines etc.
Comparing it to anMacBook Air is not possible for producing anything. Even the long promised "desktop" browser is still non existent on ipad OS.
…and there is Apple advertising it as a replacement traditional desktop replacement running “desktop-class” apps:
“iPadOS and apps. Workflow workhorses
iPadOS is designed to let you power through advanced workflows and do all the things you love with ease and simplicity. Run pro apps, play high-performance games, and take on creative projects of any size with an intuitive touch-first experience.“
https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/
I know they are different animals, but what do you do with MacOS finder on a daily basis, that you cannot do with iOS Files?
And give developers that sweet 90%-70% re-purchase.
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I've had UTM SE on my iPad for a year or two, it's in the App Store, but allowing JIT makes it more powerful because it is currently slow emulating Leopard. If UTM runs Windows as quickly as a desktop then its in Apple's interest to run MacOS as well because otherwise iPad users are going to spend a lot of time running Windows instead of MacOS as their desktop OS.
FWIW the free VMWare runs Windows games significantly faster than UTM on my M1-Pro Mac.
FWIW the free VMWare runs Windows games significantly faster than UTM on my M1-Pro Mac.
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The person I was replying to specified Java/Spring, which I assumed meant something server side. Outside of Android, I don't think there's a lot of client side apps still getting written in Java... and even with Android, I'm under the impression Kotlin is more common.
But you need to BUY Arm Windows from Microsoft. . . Oh, who won’t sell it to you, you have to it either illegally or sign up for their developer service.
Not anymore, MS has changed it, I was trying to do this just a couple of weeks ago, everything complained about the OS image and would not allow you to modify it. Royal pain in the butt. Stupid TPM, I only have my PC for gaming, it’s old but it actually works great for everything I want to play. Would like to get to Windows 11 though, as it is faster, and smoother for gaming.
What exactly are you trying to do where you are seeing that? I am able to use Rufus 4.7 to add the TPM bypass to the latest Windows 11 ISO no problem. You could also try Flyby11 that does it another way.