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Did you buy your MBA M2 before the MBP 14" $1599 sale?
No. I could have gotten either there was a $250 difference for me because of discounts on the air that I purchased even with the 14" MBP at $1599 but it wasn't just about the cost in the long run. It was about cost and use case.
 
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WOW, for $500 more you could have had the 11" M1 iPad Pro and the 14" M1 MacBook Pro, instead of a iPad Air base and a MacBook Air 2, must really like the air Monica lol
I feel so insecure I need everything to have "Pro" in the name. lol.

Do you feel better now?

I could have but I didn't. The only thing I was considering was the Pro iPad. but that is $217 for one feature I care about. It just doesn't make sense. Plus I really like the color of the air line vs the boring old colors of the Pro. In this economy wasting money is not a smart idea.

Maybe money is not an object for you but I am a single parent and I have to think twice about what I spend on and to have the luxury of an iPad in the first place is a big deal and I feel lucky just to have what I have.

If it makes you feel better to try and insult me then good for you. Shows your character as the comment was completely unnecessary.
 
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I feel so insecure I need everything to have "Pro" in the name. lol.

Do you feel better now?

I could have but I didn't. The only thing I was considering was the Pro iPad. but that is $217 for one feature I care about. It just doesn't make sense. Plus I really like the color of the air line vs the boring old colors of the Pro. In this economy wasting money is not a smart idea.

Maybe money is not an object for you but I am a single parent and I have to think twice about what I spend on and to have the luxury of an iPad in the first place is a big deal and I feel lucky just to have what I have.

If it makes you feel better to try and insult me then good for you. Shows your character as the comment was completely unnecessary.
I wasn't insulting you was just pointing out a factor. sorry if came across like that.

The air 2 is not best value as you need to pay full price to get 16/512, 8/256 and 8/512 is 10% off here now, but I would never buy 8gb from apple again and also 256 is too small for me.
 
I wasn't insulting you was just pointing out a factor. sorry if came across like that.

The air 2 is not best value as you need to pay full price to get 16/512, 8/256 and 8/512 is 10% off here now, but I would never buy 8gb from apple again and also 256 is too small for me.
Well if you have any students in your family or extended family that are in school then you can get a discount and gift card worth $150 for a Mac and $100 off an iPad on any model you want. Luckily I am going to school online and my son goes to school so I was able to get those discounts whereas with the 14" MacBook Pro on sale for $1599 I could not get either from 3rd party vendors. If you add tax it costs even more since it is a percentage of the total cost and a lower cost is less tax.

As to whether you were purposely trying to insult me or not the air comment with Monica sure seemed like a dig and the fact you said if I only spent $500 like it wasn't a lot of money had the same implication. I know a lot of people like to spread money over the life of a device to justify spending more. I have done so to in certain situations and if I could justify spending more because of my use case I might be able to spend more. But that is the thing if I am honest about my needs and not just my wants I can't.

As for the MacBook Pro 14" if the M2 version came out tomorrow I certainly would be tempted because I like speed but I have realized I just don't need what the Pro does and I appreciate the form factor of the new air a lot. I simply use the device a lot more than I did when I had a 16" MBP M1. I also realized I spent too much money on that device for my needs and I am trying to buy less with my emotions and more with use case and need. However I wanted the M2 MBA and I am lucky enough to have it and it is surprising to me how good it honestly is.

 
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The educational discount in Canada is what tempted me as well. $175 off and and $210 gift card to get an m2 air, was hard to say no to that and the form factor is perfect for me, I love relaxing on the couch and using it. Very comfortable, plus haven't had it plugged in since yesterday afternoon and still have 40% battery lol
 
That intro was awful lol.

MBA M2 owners are getting insecure after the $1599 sale.
I'm at a crossroads right now. I just sold my 16" M1 a week ago because it was brick and I never wanted to carry it around. I want the size and color of the M2 Midnight Air, but after upgrading the RAM and SSD, this new $1599 M1 14" sale is almost too good to pass up.
 
I'm at a crossroads right now. I just sold my 16" M1 a week ago because it was brick and I never wanted to carry it around. I want the size and color of the M2 Midnight Air, but after upgrading the RAM and SSD, this new $1599 M1 14" sale is almost too good to pass up.
Have you tried the M2 Air? It's an incredible device and the weight/portability beat the slightly better specs on the pro for my use case.

If you can find someone and use their educational discount, you can get 10% off plus a $150 gift card. Failing that, Amazon have been selling the M2 Air with a small discount.
 
I'm at a crossroads right now. I just sold my 16" M1 a week ago because it was brick and I never wanted to carry it around. I want the size and color of the M2 Midnight Air, but after upgrading the RAM and SSD, this new $1599 M1 14" sale is almost too good to pass up.
I was in a similar position as I sold my 16" M1 Max a while back. If the size and weight was an issue for you then I am not so sure the 14" would be much better. It is a lot lighter than the 16" for sure. However the 14" is not light.

I actually pre-ordered the 14" M1 Pro MBP when it came out and returned it for a 16". I have had both. Now I have the M2 Air in Midnight in the exact config you are considering.

You know what the M1 can do and you know the battery life on the 16" which is considerably longer than the 14" just so you know. Also the 14" has a lower speaker volume than the 16". The base model has an 8 core cpu vs the 10 core on the 16" and it has less GPU cores.

All that being said it is still a good machine for those who need that power.

My biggest question would be how did you use your MBP? Did you do a lot of video editing? Did you do anything that would seriously tax the CPU or GPU or both?

So I would say your use case and desire for a lighter weight and size would be the biggest determining factors.

If you don't do heavy extended cpu/gpu workloads then the M2 MBA would be much better than the 14" but if you do those type of workloads then the 14" would probably still be the better choice.

All that being said the M2 MBA does not throttle like so many say under most conditions and you could use a laptop cooler if that ever became an issue. BUT again if you are doing multiple streams of 4k editing or rendering 3d images etc. then the Pro line up is really your only choice.

I would not get caught up in a "deal" because it will make your purchasing decision irrational and not actually based on your needs but perceived value at a certain price point. Think about your NEEDS first then your wants and that should give you an answer. You have to live with your decision and I doubt you want to be in the same place you were when you sold the 16".

I think the best thing to do if you have determined that the air fits your needs and use case is to order one.

Check it out for yourself. Then you can make an educated decision and you can always return the air if you don't like it. Don't worry about the sales on the 14" MBP I doubt they will be going away any time soon and if they do there will be more sales during the holidays and if and when the M2 MBP's 14/16" are released.

I can tell you from my experience the M2 MBA is so much better for my use case and needs than the 16" ever was.

The M2 is noticeably faster in day to day tasks that can utilize the higher clock speed of the M2 short single threaded burst tasks. Web browsing for example is faster. Opening apps and interacting with the UI is faster. The battery feels like it lasts as long as my previous M1 MBP 13" which is a long time and made me like the M series chips. With the Pro chips even with much higher capacity battery I felt there was a bit of a regression in battery life. Obviously more performance equals lower battery life, specially under load. The M1 Pro MBP 16" with 16gb ram did last a good amount of time to be fair but the 14" and M1 Max 16" were noticeably less.

Coming for the 16" which I agree was a brick the M2 MBA is so much more user friendly. I enjoy using it and I have an iPad and almost wonder if I need it. The screen is bright and really nice. It doesn't have any flickering or Blooming which I experienced on the mini led screens. The blacks are not as good though and if those two things don't bother you then the screen on the MBP would be better. I really don't see any difference I terms of brightness or the Pro-Motion which I thought I would miss. The mini led screens have such a poor response time that text still blurs like a 60hz screen even though it is a 120hz screen. So I honestly don't think you will miss much in terms of the screen.

The Speakers on the 14" are good and have a good amount of richness and bass but for me I could never get them loud enough when watching videos and other content. While the M2 MBA does not have the same depth and bass of the 14" it get surprisingly loud and is very clear with good stereo separation. They still have some bass but it is not the same as the 14" or 16".

The keyboard honestly feels a bit better on the MBA and that probably has to do with the size of the device vs the 16".

The size and design and Midnight color are what really makes this a great laptop. The performance of the M2 chip is really fast and like the 13" MBP and older M1 series devices with the regular 8 core M1 chip you get the best of both worlds. The amazing single core speeds and decent multi core speeds and with 4 efficiency cores you get a lot better battery life than the Pro cpu line. The weight and thickness of this laptop are perfect.

The M2 Air is solid as well. It is not so light that it feels delicate or cheap but like the previous air it feels very solid. I can pick it from the corner which I often do and there is no flex or creaking. The keyboard deck doesn't bend under pressure. It is a solid device yet because of the lack of fans is still thin and light. To me it is the perfect balance of sturdiness and lightness.

For me there has been no looking back. I don't miss the 16" at and for me at least I feel like I bought into the idea that I needed a Pro type device just to have decent performance and all the specs tempted me so I bought it. When I got it I realized those specs didn't mean very much because I didn't actually utilize them. Now with the air I appreciate the fan-less design, the great battery life, the great screen and keyboard, the design and feel of the air. I do like the new color as well. So it has been an eye opener for me and what I was trying to get across to a lot of people on this forum which is sometimes we think we need something more than we actually do and when you get what you actually need you are much happier.

I hope that my experience of the different devices helps you. If you have any additional questions please respond or message me and I would be happy to help any way I can.
 
I'm at a crossroads right now. I just sold my 16" M1 a week ago because it was brick and I never wanted to carry it around. I want the size and color of the M2 Midnight Air, but after upgrading the RAM and SSD, this new $1599 M1 14" sale is almost too good to pass up.
Not like I'm anyone special but...I've been on record to say that the MBA is for majority of people who do not need the power. It's fun to carry around and use. Apple really screwed with us with their pricing.

So I'm skipping the MBA M2 until they improve on their chip and the screen. I love the form factor and battery life. I feel like the MBP 14" battery will crap out like my other Intel Macs.. I need 8-9 hours of battery life with full charge.

I would go to Costco to compare the two. There is a noticeable difference in screen quality. I like the fuller size keyboard of the MBA.
 
The M2 is noticeably faster in day to day tasks that can utilize the higher clock speed of the M2 short single threaded burst tasks. Web browsing for example is faster.
Can you give us some detailed examples of M2 being noticeable faster in web browsing or other simple tasks. Where and how you precisely see it and how much it is in seconds. How many more threads or lines of text you can read in this forum in MBA M2 vs MBP with M1 Pro chip?

To me it sounds like this single core short burst speed advantage in M2 is blown out of proportions. Almost as if people should replace their MBP 14", 16" or even Mac Studio M1 Max and Ultra with MBA M2 because it is some much more faster in short burst single core tasks. I mean WTF, come on. :)

I just yesterday happened to visit a shop selling MacBooks and I spent a while with MBA M2 and MBP 14". I could not see MBA M2 feeling _noticeable_ faster (I could not notice that).

The M2 Air is solid as well. It is not so light that it feels delicate or cheap but like the previous air it feels very solid. I can pick it from the corner which I often do and there is no flex or creaking. The keyboard deck doesn't bend under pressure.
I would avoid pick up that (or any laptop from the corner. I just yesterday picked MBA M2 with display lid open from the palm rest corner and it felt flexing like crazy, I know it is hard to see doing this but it very obvious bends (as it does in my own bending test where I can actually see quantifiable differences between different models).
Also I comparad MBA M2 and M1 keyboard deck flex, M1 did not really have any, M2 well yeah and a lot. Much much more than MBP 13", 14" or 16" had, those do not bend under reasonable pressure.
 
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Can you give us some detailed examples of M2 being noticeable faster in web browsing or other simple tasks. Where and how you precisely see it and how much it is in seconds. How many more threads or lines of text you can read in this forum in MBA M2 vs MBP with M1 Pro chip?

To me it sounds like this single core short burst speed advantage in M2 is blown out of proportions. Almost as if people should replace their MBP 14", 16" or even Mac Studio M1 Max and Ultra with MBA M2 because it is some much more faster in short burst single core tasks. I mean WTF, come on. :)

I just yesterday happened to visit a shop selling MacBooks and I spent a while with MBA M2 and MBP 14". I could not see MBA M2 feeling _noticeable_ faster (I could not notice that).


I would avoid pick up that (or any laptop from the corner. I just yesterday picked MBA M2 with display lid open from the palm rest corner and it felt flexing like crazy, I know it is hard to see doing this but it very obvious bends (as it does in my own bending test where I can actually see quantifiable differences between different models).
Also I comparad MBA M2 and M1 keyboard deck flex, M1 did not really have any, M2 well yeah and a lot. Much much more than MBP 13", 14" or 16" had, those do not bend under reasonable pressure.
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Pretty sure I understand what your opinion on M2 MBA is.

Don’t worry your M1 MBP is very powerful.

I don’t need to prove anything to you because you will simply deny that it is true, dispute it, and on and on.

Your various posts on MBA forums where you trash M2 MBA IPS displays, call the laptop flimsy and on and on.

Try Geekbench. 😂 Lol

Web browsing is very much tied to burst single core speeds. Don’t know what else to tell you.

I have an idea? Try to enjoy your MBP and stop trying to tear down others. Why not encourage people and give them advice that actually helps them instead of doing the opposite.

Maybe a new chip happens to be faster? Maybe the MBP 14/16” with an M2 might just be faster? Who knows, maybe I don’t know the difference even though I have had both machines for a while and maybe I am crazy.

At least I am not going on M1 MBP forums and saying how much faster my M2 MBA is or saying how heavy the MBP 16” is or talking about the screens and trying to discourage people from buying them. I can actually acknowledge that people have different use cases and need a Pro model and have recommended the M1 MBP over and over again. I only mention any of the negatives when some people claim that M1 MBP 14/16 are completely perfect and anything else sucks.
 
Don’t worry your M1 MBP is very powerful.
I know that.

I don’t need to prove anything to you because you will simply deny that it is true, dispute it, and on and on.
So you see it is fine keeping saying noticeable difference in some real use but without any numbers how much faster it is and where exactly you can see that. Great, I can respect that but I have not problem to state what I see in real life.

Your various posts on MBA forums where you trash M2 MBA IPS displays, call the laptop flimsy and on and on.
Well, anyone claiming they are seeing blooming in MBP 14 and 16 disturbing them but they praise MBA M2 screen forgetting the fact that in the conditions where MBP screen would show blooming there would be light leaks and gray black shown on MBA M2 screen?!?!

I call any laptop flimsy that feels too flexible in my bending test.

Try Geekbench. 😂 Lol

Web browsing is very much tied to burst single core speeds. Don’t know what else to tell you.
Again, Geekbench is just a synthetic benchmark tool and score does not directly translate to everything. For example your claim web browsing speed noticeable faster is something I cannot notice. But surely I see difference in iPad Air 5(M1) that is noticeable faster than any MacBook but there you actually measure difference in seconds, not in a blink of an eye differences somewhere. Also browsing can cause demand on CPU, so when you actually have several tabs open in the background and some of them running ads and scripts, you could probably get your MBA M2 on its knees with throttling and heat... But yeah, maybe there could be blink of an eye difference in single page loading, but I fail to see any practical use for that, especially when I cannot even notice it using them one after another. I probably could name one use for that speed M2 might have that blink of an eye faster speed in very light web browsing tasks but I don't need such and probably mentioning it here could be taken somewhat offensive maybe. ;)

I have an idea? Try to enjoy your MBP and stop trying to tear down others.
This is a two way street, you know. ;) For me your mile long posts look like someone having buyers remorse trying to desperately justify their purchase. But, hey that is just how it looks to me as those one or two "advantages" MBA M2 might have, are being blown out of proportions trying to make it look like it is so fast and great.

Anyway, I have no interest to continue this pointless discussion with you. We can agree that we disagree. :)
 
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I know that.


So you see it is fine keeping saying noticeable difference in some real use but without any numbers how much faster it is and where exactly you can see that. Great, I can respect that but I have not problem to state what I see in real life.


Well, anyone claiming they are seeing blooming in MBP 14 and 16 disturbing them but they praise MBA M2 screen forgetting the fact that in the conditions where MBP screen would show blooming there would be light leaks and gray black shown on MBA M2 screen?!?!

I call any laptop flimsy that feels too flexible in my bending test.


Again, Geekbench is just a synthetic benchmark tool and score does not directly translate to everything. For example your claim web browsing speed noticeable faster is something I cannot notice. But surely I see difference in iPad Air 5(M1) that is noticeable faster than any MacBook but there you actually measure difference in seconds, not in a blink of an eye differences somewhere. Also browsing can cause demand on CPU, so when you actually have several tabs open in the background and some of them running ads and scripts, you could probably get your MBA M2 on its knees with throttling and heat... But yeah, maybe there could be blink of an eye difference in single page loading, but I fail to see any practical use for that, especially when I cannot even notice it using them one after another. I probably could name one use for that speed M2 might have that blink of an eye faster speed in very light web browsing tasks but I don't need such and probably mentioning it here could be taken somewhat offensive maybe. ;)


This is a two way street, you know. ;) For me your mile long posts look like someone having buyers remorse trying to desperately justify their purchase. But, hey that is just how it looks to me as those one or two "advantages" MBA M2 might have, are being blown out of proportions trying to make it look like it is so fast and great.

Anyway, I have no interest to continue this pointless discussion with you. We can agree that we disagree. :)
"I probably could name one use for that speed M2 might have that blink of an eye faster speed in very light web browsing tasks but I don't need such and probably mentioning it here could be taken somewhat offensive maybe."

I am not the only one with a M2 MBA who has noticed the difference and as I have said many times before I have had many M1 devices. How could it be taken offensive when it is in response to all of the many M1 MBP owners saying how much better and faster their M1 Pro is?

"This is a two way street, you know. For me your mile long posts look like someone having buyers remorse trying to desperately justify their purchase."

It sure is a two way street. It is funny how I am only responding to other people about their claims against the M2 MBA and not simply letting their ridiculous assertions go is somehow me having buyers remorse and the very not so original "desperately justify my purchase" when I am not the one coming on a MBA sub forum trying to tell M2 MBA owners that their experiences aren't true and why the M1 MBP 14/16 is the better value and better machine.

As for the screen again I am just saying my personal observations between the two and I have never said the Mini led screen was bad and even went so far as to say that for a lot of people the flickering and blooming would probably not be an issue or they would prefer the deeper blacks anyway.

You know what gets me is the people who own M1 MBP 14/16 going out of their way to pick a fight and then when they get called out on their BS go to the idea that when a person doesn't just lay down and give up under attack is somehow having buyers remorse and trying to justify their purchase. It is really an amazing feat of logic.

The best is you saying that me talking about the performance of the M2 chip could be offensive.....Like all the trillion posts about the M1 MBP being more powerful and a better deal and the M2 MBA sucks are not offensive.

Seems like you can dish out all day long but can't take just a little bit of realistic criticism.

No laptop/device is perfect and they all have flaws. All manufacturers have to make trade offs for size and weight and cost. So your MBP is not perfect and neither is my MBA. So what?

Do you want to constantly attack flaws or enjoy your devices?

BTW I am sure your bending test-very scientific I am sure- is the gold standard used for all laptop testing and I am sure your very heavy MBP passed the test, right.

If today I wrote a separate thread just talking about my opinion of what a great laptop the new M2 MBA and NEVER mentioned the M1 MBP 14/16, I would have a bunch of the same people crapping all over it. Then if I responded and asked nicely to stop they wouldn't and if I did respond then they would say buy you seem touchy like you need to justify your purchase or something.....

Oh and if you don't believe me check out the post I made where I simply asked if people were excited to get the new M2 MBA and how long it took for the MBP owners to crap all over it.

You all sound the same.
 
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Oh and if you don't believe me check out the post I made where I simply asked if people were excited to get the new M2 MBA and how long it took for the MBP owners to crap all over it.

You all sound the same.
But why is the poll there?
 
risk of light bleed and poor screen quality overall is a turn off for me
Poor screen quality? Most people think Macs with retina screens are the best. Most Macs have IPS displays?

Most IPS displays have some light bleed. Usually not a problem unless it is defective.
 
There's a lot of defective ones then, it's like the old iPad days before the 11" pro came out.
 
There's a lot of defective ones then, it's like the old iPad days before the 11" pro came out.
What are you basing that information on? The forums? I bet the forums/online comments are a pretty scewed demographic of those who post on a forum vs. leaving a review on third party seller. I bet if you could get an actual factual percentage of defective IPS screens it would be really low.

Of course it sucks if you got one for sure and I don’t discount anyone’s opinion that got a defective unit.

I guess that is why there is a return policy so you can check your device when it arrives and if there are any problems return it within the return period. If you read Amazon reviews of the base model M2 MBA there is a pretty high percentage of positive reviews. If it was a really bad problem you would think it would show up on third party sites?
 
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There's a lot of defective ones then, it's like the old iPad days before the 11" pro came out.
“The base model I returned was perfect, for the money in 2022 they all should be” Isn’t this your post on the MBA forum under the thread “M2 MBA backlight bleed issue”?

Seems you got a good one?
 
“The base model I returned was perfect, for the money in 2022 they all should be” Isn’t this your post on the MBA forum under the thread “M2 MBA backlight bleed issue”?

Seems you got a good one?
I did but returned it, slow as old dog and 256 too small, not paying M1 14" price for a air 2 16/512 downgrade.
I got lucky but not as easy here with returns if not bought from apple, and retailers have 10% plus discounts.
 
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I did but returned it, slow as old dog and 256 too small, not paying M1 14" price for a air 2 16/512 downgrade.
I got lucky but not as easy here with returns if not bought from apple, and retailers have 10% plus discounts.
Well there goes any credibility you have. Even the biggest m2 haters on here concede that its a very quick laptop, they just dont want to admit it may be quicker in certain scenarios then their pros. Well atleast I dont need too waste anymore time reading your senseless posts
 
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