M2 MacBook Air may actually be the BEST value for air users, and people who want the latest chip in a cheaper package

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Air doesn't have the same screen quality as the MBP 14". Go to Costco and compare the 2 the next time you go there.

And the weight factor isn't a thing since the MBP 14" is only .7 ounces more than the MBA M2. Difference is the battery life, form factor, screen, ports, speakers, chip.

So..with that said, MBA M2 CANNOT be the best value. When you can get MBP 14" for $1,599 or a slightly used MBA M1 512/16 for $900.

 

[Technerd108]

Air doesn't have the same screen quality as the MBP 14". Go to Costco and compare the 2 the next time you go there.

And the weight factor isn't a thing since the MBP 14" is only .7 ounces more than the MBA M2. Difference is the battery life, form factor, screen, ports, speakers, chip.

So..with that said, MBA M2 CANNOT be the best value. When you can get MBP 14" for $1,599 or a slightly used MBA M1 512/16 for $900.

The M1 MBP is almost a pound heavier not .7 ounces? 2.7lbs vs 3.5lbs?

I have had both and I never said the screens were the same and although there are some things better on the MBP there are some things better on the MBA. Staring at screens side by side is one thing but using them for a long period of time and seeing what you prefer is different.

An older air is not a good value but it is cheaper. We are not even talking used. I could get an M2 used for much less than retail.

You are correct the differences are battery life with an edge to the air. Chip is better in the air if you prefer single core and chip is better in the base pro by a small degree is you prefer multi core. form factor is certainly a personal preference which I think the air would have the advantage, ports are an advantage if you use them and want them for sure on the pro, speakers are better on the pro for bass and dynamic range but not loudness and clarity.

Value is what you perceive as giving you the most for your money and what is important to you in your use case so for YOU the MBP has the most value and for me the M2 MBA has the most value because I prefer things maybe you don't. It is not cost alone that determines value.

 

[ilikewhey]

They are not facts. Better is your opinion. A fact is there is a difference in the specs. What is better is based on use case. My point has not fallen on deaf ears. Again that is your opinion yet I don't say the same about you? It is like somehow your opinion is entitled to rise above everything else as objective fact when it is an opinion.

What do you mean by better performance? The base model pro has an 8 core M1 Pro. Geekbench scores show the M2 has better single core score and is very close in multi core and that is with a finless design. When the M2 Pro comes out it will most certainly best the M1 Pro in both of those metrics but it is impressive a regular M2 is so close to a Pro. So what is better in performance depends on use case. For "Pro" users multi core is probably more important so the M1 Pro has an edge but for regular users a single core score is more important so the M2 has an edge. See how your idea of better is an opinion and subjective????

More ports is better a fact?? If you want a thicker and heavier device I guess more ports is better but what can't I do with thunderbolt ports that you can do with the ports on the Pro??? Nothing. It just means I will have to use an adapter which I am fine with because I have a thiner and lighter device and I rarely would use those ports anyway. Again your better is subjective based on use case.

Screen is again a personal preference as are the speakers. The screen on the MBP has flickering and PWM and blooming with a poor response time of 20ms or more which blurs text in motion sort of negating that great 120hz. A lot of people have eye strain on the Mini Led screen. Does it look better? Well that is an opinion not a fact no matter the specs.

Speakers sure if more bass and less volume are your only factor then I guess the MBP is better but the experience of what sounds better is again a preference that is subjective and not a fact.

You haven't made exceptions for me. Oh I am so lucky you conceded a point or two when you completely miss over and over again that your opinion is not fact.

So go ahead and spout off a billion more specs, cough I mean facts and tell me why the MBP 14" base model is a better value when it doesn't fit my use case and the use case of many people while the M2 MBA does and it does it very well.

My entire argument and the reason I brought up the 14" in the beginning was not to have a war on which is better or to even compare them BUT TO TELL people like you I have heard it all already about your arguments so you don't need to convince me that I am wrong or that you are right. This thread was intended to show the value of the air from a different perspective than the one broadcast a billion times. I understand your argument and I don't agree and will never agree and that doesn't make you right or me wrong. Whether you want to spout facts or not it doesn't matter because we are talking value and as I have said before value is not simply based on specs it is based on use and cost. They are connected and you can't separate them out and only argue one as being superior while forgetting the other.

The only reason I have posted so much back and forth is because of people who don't seem to understand what this thread is all about and simply want to argue their point and I am not going to just let people say something without a response. I have gotten really tired of responding to the same thing over and over again but I don't see the point in just letting people who have some type of grudge just say whatever they want without a response. I don't appreciate the personal digs when I have refrained from doing so to others. But I don't have any control over what other people say and do. I only can respond and call out what I see.

wow, didn't know apple take my opinion so seriously that they actually put it as FACTS on their site!

 

[Technerd108]

wow, didn't know apple take my opinion so seriously that they actually put it as FACTS on their site!
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Those are specs. You can decide what specs are better for you. It is not a fact that one set of specs is better if not taken into context of the use of the device. People who want different things decide what is better based on the specs and that is a fact. Lol

You see it is your opinion on what specs are better.......

Considering retail price I think that spec sheet shows what a great value the M2 Air is!!Lol

 

[tharper]

It is great value! I was looking in the Windows market before buying my M2 Air and nothing compared at the same price point. Apple is value now!

-Tristan

 

[Technerd108]

Just changed the title of the thread. Maybe that will help. I think a lot of people are confused about the this thread and I apologize as my title was confusing. Hope that clarifies things a bit.

 

[Technerd108]

It is great value! I was looking in the Windows market before buying my M2 Air and nothing compared at the same price point. Apple is value now!

-Tristan

I have been trying to say this in various posts but for some reason a lot of people think windows comparisons don't matter while a Pro machine is a better comparison to an air??


I completely agree with you!! Dell XPS, HP Spectre, etc. don't come close!!

 

[Air_M1]

Value is what you perceive as giving you the most for your money and what is important to you in your use case so for YOU the MBP has the most value and for me the M2 MBA has the most value because I prefer things maybe you don't. It is not cost alone that determines value.

True...most people define value based on what giving us the most for the money. I think your 1st post on the cost of MBP directed the focus to value based on money, rather than different value of the purchase.

 

[tharper]

I have been trying to say this in various posts but for some reason a lot of people think windows comparisons don't matter while a Pro machine is a better comparison to an air??


I completely agree with you!! Dell XPS, HP Spectre, etc. don't come close!!

Yes comparing to the laptop market in general, including Windows, is valid. Why wouldn't it be?

It's amazing how far Apple has come. Remember the days where Apple macs were using the same components as Windows laptops but were priced far far higher? How the turns have tabled!

-Tristan.

 

[Technerd108]

True...most people define value based on what giving us the most for the money. I think your 1st post on the cost of MBP directed the focus to value based on money, rather than different value of the purchase.

I was trying to say since a lot of people on these forums repeat the mantra that anyone who gets an air with similar specs to the MBP 14" is an idiot because of specs that there might be other considerations that make the M2 air a better choice even if the cost is the same. It also doesn't make the air a bad value just because the 14" MBP is on sale at 3rd party vendors. So I brought up money because it has been used to say one thing is a good value and the other is not, not to focus on cost but use case. Maybe I suck at writing???

 

[Technerd108]

Yes comparing to the laptop market in general, including Windows, is valid. Why wouldn't it be?

It's amazing how far Apple has come. Remember the days where Apple macs were using the same components as Windows laptop but where priced far far higher? How the turns have tabled!

-Tristan.

I sure do. Considering OS support, after sale support and performance and battery life and cost Apple really has turned the table on value!! Completely agree!

 

[ilikewhey]

Those are specs. You can decide what specs are better for you. It is not a fact that one set of specs is better if not taken into context of the use of the device. People who want different things decide what is better based on the specs and that is a fact. Lol

better spec = better screen? what am i missing here, the mbp screen can do everything the mba can do but better. the mbp audio can do everything the mba can do but better.

 

[m1maverick]

ProMotion isn't worth 50 cents to me.

It will once the MBA has it.

 

[tharper]

No it is not. The 14” MBP is by far the best value now.

Best value for you, you mean!

Value is subjective. If you place value on something being small and portable, then you could say the M2 Air is better value.

 

[Technerd108]

better spec = better screen? what am i missing here, the mbp screen can do everything the mba can do but better. the mbp audio can do everything the mba can do but better.

Single core score on the air is better, Weight and portability is better on the air, screen is really a subjective choice and factors like eye strain come into play but sure MBP screen can do everything MBA screen can do but better? Audio on MBP 14 has more bass and dynamic range but air is louder and clearer so better is a choice.

 

[Technerd108]

It will once the MBA has it.

Well if MBA has a IPS screen then the Promotion might have a better experience on the air since it will have abetter response time than the mini led on the M1 MBP screens. You ever scroll text on the 14" MBP screen and see it blur just like a 60hz screen???

 

[Air_M1]

I was trying to say since a lot of people on these forums repeat the mantra that anyone who gets an air with similar specs to the MBP 14" is an idiot because of specs that there might be other considerations that make the M2 air a better choice even if the cost is the same. It also doesn't make the air a bad value just because the 14" MBP is on sale at 3rd party vendors. So I brought up money because it has been used to say one thing is a good value and the other is not, not to focus on cost but use case. Maybe I suck at writing???

I think most people won't read a long post completely. They tend to skip to keywords on the sentences so they would misunderstand your intention.

 

[m1maverick]

Air doesn't have the same screen quality as the MBP 14". Go to Costco and compare the 2 the next time you go there.

And the weight factor isn't a thing since the MBP 14" is only .7 ounces more than the MBA M2. Difference is the battery life, form factor, screen, ports, speakers, chip.

So..with that said, MBA M2 CANNOT be the best value. When you can get MBP 14" for $1,599 or a slightly used MBA M1 512/16 for $900.

Where someone places value is subjective. Those considering an MBA value, what I will call, environmental factors (such as size and weight) over, what I will call, technical factors (such as performance, display / sound quality, expandability).

This whole thread makes no sense given the OP places more value on the environmental factors than the technical factors so I see no reason for its existence.

 

[ilikewhey]

They are not facts. Better is your opinion. A fact is there is a difference in the specs. What is better is based on use case. My point has not fallen on deaf ears. Again that is your opinion yet I don't say the same about you? It is like somehow your opinion is entitled to rise above everything else as objective fact when it is an opinion.

again, better specs = better screen,

What do you mean by better performance? The base model pro has an 8 core M1 Pro. Geekbench scores show the M2 has better single core score and is very close in multi core and that is with a finless design. When the M2 Pro comes out it will most certainly best the M1 Pro in both of those metrics but it is impressive a regular M2 is so close to a Pro. So what is better in performance depends on use case. For "Pro" users multi core is probably more important so the M1 Pro has an edge but for regular users a single core score is more important so the M2 has an edge. See how your idea of better is an opinion and subjective????

slight burst single core, sustained single, mbp 14 wins. don't even get me started on the multi cores lol

More ports is better a fact?? If you want a thicker and heavier device I guess more ports is better but what can't I do with thunderbolt ports that you can do with the ports on the Pro??? Nothing. It just means I will have to use an adapter which I am fine with because I have a thiner and lighter device and I rarely would use those ports anyway. Again your better is subjective based on use case.

slightly thicker and slightly heavier, like i said, if you have trouble with .8 lbs of difference, i have concern for your health.

Screen is again a personal preference as are the speakers. The screen on the MBP has flickering and PWM and blooming with a poor response time of 20ms or more which blurs text in motion sort of negating that great 120hz. A lot of people have eye strain on the Mini Led screen. Does it look better? Well that is an opinion not a fact no matter the specs.

everything mba screen can do mbp can do better. mba screen also has flickering and PWM.

Speakers sure if more bass and less volume are your only factor then I guess the MBP is better but the experience of what sounds better is again a preference that is subjective and not a fact.

its a opinion of mass majority, and facts on the spec sheet. you're the only person who ever claim the mba is louder than the mbp.

You haven't made exceptions for me. Oh I am so lucky you conceded a point or two when you completely miss over and over again that your opinion is not fact.

i did.

So go ahead and spout off a billion more specs, cough I mean facts and tell me why the MBP 14" base model is a better value when it doesn't fit my use case and the use case of many people while the M2 MBA does and it does it very well.

na, im not gonna waste time, i said what i said already.

My entire argument and the reason I brought up the 14" in the beginning was not to have a war on which is better or to even compare them BUT TO TELL people like you I have heard it all already about your arguments so you don't need to convince me that I am wrong or that you are right. This thread was intended to show the value of the air from a different perspective than the one broadcast a billion times. I understand your argument and I don't agree and will never agree and that doesn't make you right or me wrong. Whether you want to spout facts or not it doesn't matter because we are talking value and as I have said before value is not simply based on specs it is based on use and cost. They are connected and you can't separate them out and only argue one as being superior while forgetting the other.

you invited the debate when you made this thread, don't back out now lol

The only reason I have posted so much back and forth is because of people who don't seem to understand what this thread is all about and simply want to argue their point and I am not going to just let people say something without a response. I have gotten really tired of responding to the same thing over and over again but I don't see the point in just letting people who have some type of grudge just say whatever they want without a response. I don't appreciate the personal digs when I have refrained from doing so to others. But I don't have any control over what other people say and do. I only can respond and call out what I see.

then stop responding? no one is forcing you to response back, i have no grudge, i'm just pointing out the very obvious that you seen to keep ignoring.

 

[m1maverick]

Well if MBA has a IPS screen then the Promotion might have a better experience on the air since it will have abetter response time than the mini led on the M1 MBP screens. You ever scroll text on the 14" MBP screen and see it blur just like a 60hz screen???

My point, at least what I have observed, is that those who claim to be uninterested in something (in this case ProMotion) all of a sudden make that something a requirement once the product they have chosen obtains it.

 

[ilikewhey]

Best value for you, you mean!

Value is subjective. If you place value on something being small and portable, then you could say the M2 Air is better value.

value is not subjective, your purchase power alots you what you can buy, the mbp 14 base at 1599 is the best value.

 

[Technerd108]

Where someone places value is subjective. Those considering an MBA value, what I will call, environmental factors (such as size and weight) over, what I will call, technical factors (such as performance, display / sound quality, expandability).

This whole thread makes no sense given the OP places more value on the environmental factors than the technical factors so I see no reason for its existence.

Yeah lets just delete the thread if we can because so many people miss the point entirely I agree. Also your opinion on what has relevance is the

again, better specs = better screen,

slight burst single core, sustained single, mbp 14 wins. don't even get me started on the multi cores lol

slightly thicker and slightly heavier, like i said, if you have trouble with .8 lbs of difference, i have concern for your health.

everything mba screen can do mbp can do better. mba screen also has flickering and PWM.

its a opinion of mass majority, and facts on the spec sheet. you're the only person who ever claim the mba is louder than the mbp.

i did.

na, im not gonna waste time, i said what i said already.

you invited the debate when you made this thread, don't back out now lol

then stop responding? no one is forcing you to response back, i have no grudge, i'm just pointing out the very obvious that you seen to keep ignoring.

I am not backing out.

I have argued every point you have had and you keep returning to specs bro specs ignoring use case over and over again.

Don't waste time move on since your opinion is very clear.

I am not ignoring anything and have acknowledged and responded very clearly to everything you have said. It is you who ignore use case and can only see specs = better when that simply isn't true.

If you want to have a pissing contest and brag about specs and how that makes something better while ignoring if people even want or need those specs because specs alone don't make a device better unless they mean something to you and you actually can use them.

I have said over and over that for Pro's the MBP 14" is the better machine and a great value right now. So I don't get what you are arguing other than to prove your opinion is right and mine is wrong??

From my first post,

"So while a lot of people think the MBP 14" is the best value I think the M2 MBA is the best value. Sure it is not the cheapest but it is a really well made and nice device and you pay for what you get. I am happy for people to be able to score a good deal on an M1 MBP 14" or 16". They are without a doubt the best Pro Laptops Apple has made possibly ever and at least for a very long time. But to me just like the M1 MBP was such an amazing change and re-desing this Air is the same in it's own right."

 

[Technerd108]

My point, at least what I have observed, is that those who claim to be uninterested in something (in this case ProMotion) all of a sudden make that something a requirement once the product they have chosen obtains it.

I got it. You are right.

 

[Technerd108]

value is not subjective, your purchase power alots you what you can buy, the mbp 14 base at 1599 is the best value.

Value is completely subjective based on use case>>>> Why is this point so hard to understand?? Purchase power is related in the tech world to time. The older something gets the less value in terms of cost it has and why it is discounted more and more as it gets older. This is a fact.

 

[ilikewhey]

Yeah lets just delete the thread if we can because so many people miss the point entirely I agree. Also your opinion on what has relevance is the

I am not backing out.

I have argued every point you have had and you keep returning to specs bro specs ignoring use case over and over again.

Don't waste time move on since your opinion is very clear.

I am not ignoring anything and have acknowledged and responded very clearly to everything you have said. It is you who ignore use case and can only see specs = better when that simply isn't true.

If you want to have a pissing contest and brag about specs and how that makes something better while ignoring if people even want or need those specs because specs alone don't make a device better unless they mean something to you and you actually can use them.

I have said over and over that for Pro's the MBP 14" is the better machine and a great value right now. So I don't get what you are arguing other than to prove your opinion is right and mine is wrong??

not a pissing contest, just pointing out the obvious, you acknowledge the 14 has better specs but then you throw in caveat that don't exist.

oh the screen is good but this,
oh the speaker is more bass but that,
oh who needs more ports?

lol really dude? really? i just hope no one really listened to your comments and screw themselves out of a good deal on the 14 right now.

i see your use case, and acknowledged it, several times in fact, what more do you want from me? 😂