what? 12th gen is the first to be on 10nm, the 11th and 10th were all on 14nm lith.
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M2 MacBook Air or M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14” dilemma
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AMD and Intel don't let you over clock mobileIt is even worse. The M1 is 37% more power efficient than M2. See the website below.
If you give the M1 37% more power to match the power drain of the M2, pretty much most performance differences would disappear. With M2, you are effectively paying for performance that you could have easily gotten for free with a simply software overclock.
Apple M2 SoC Analysis - Worse CPU efficiency compared to the M1
The Apple M2 is here and after our reviews of the MacBook Pro 13 and the MacBook Air M2, we want to have a closer look at the new M2 chip. What changed, which improvements can you expect, and how does the increased power consumption affect the efficiency, especially compared to the previous M1 chip?www.notebookcheck.net
So don't buy an M2 Macbook air?Good that nobody listens to your thinking. The facts are in the link below and the M1 is 37% more efficient than M2.
Apple M2 SoC Analysis - Worse CPU efficiency compared to the M1
The Apple M2 is here and after our reviews of the MacBook Pro 13 and the MacBook Air M2, we want to have a closer look at the new M2 chip. What changed, which improvements can you expect, and how does the increased power consumption affect the efficiency, especially compared to the previous M1 chip?
I am glad no one listens to me either or bothers to read my posts correctly
Are you serious? Ice lake 10th gen 10nm. Tiger lake 11th gen 10nm. 12th gen 10nm big little, now called Intel 7. Lol
You are thinking of Comet Lake which Intel called 10th gen and was still on 14nm.
By the way I have had every Intel cpu gen since before skylake.
Intel has done a 10% improve year over year for years and everyone thought that was enough. Kaby Lake was literally just an overclocked skylake. Literally.
yeah i'm serious,
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I wasn't sure? Since you know what is best for other people. Just trying to clarify.
I didn't ask about you specifically either.
Wow. I don't even know where to begin.yeah i'm serious,
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Okay Alderlake is the first 10nm process by Intel. Lol. I guess Ice Lake never existed.
What hell?
If I say I am waiting for A multiple times, it means I am waiting for A. It doesn't mean I like pink ponies or whatever interpretation your brain does.
yeah i'm serious,
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Intel finally launches it's 10th Gen 10nm Ice Lake processors
11 mobile CPUs sporting improved IPC and Intel's fastest graphics ever.
don't begin at all? you said 10th gen but didn't specify mobile or desktop. at the end of the day, who cares? we're talking apple silicon here.
Talk about mental gymnastics. This is a thread about M2 Air vs MacBook Pro. Last time I checked they were both mobile processor??
honestly at this point i lost point of what you're even on about, and last i check the same apple silicon is in the mac mini and studio so you're point is moot. frankly i stopped paying attention to intel nor do i fancy them enough to know what lith gen they are on.
to not deviate from the original argument, everything you have presented has been countered and explained in-depth, you haven't brought forth any substantial evidence proving that the m2 is essentially a overclocked m1, so unless you got anything else to say, there isn't much else to discuss.
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Good that nobody listens to your thinking. The facts are in the link below and the M1 is 37% to 45% more efficient than M2.
It is no accident that the M2 thermal throttles much more than M1 did, because it is literally a much more power hungry and hotter chip than M1.
I'm happy you are fine paying for a M2 chip which is something that performs like an overlocked M1 chip, but people who are smart will skip M2 and wait for the real upgrade, which is the 3nm M3 MBA.
Apple M2 SoC Analysis - Worse CPU efficiency compared to the M1
The Apple M2 is here and after our reviews of the MacBook Pro 13 and the MacBook Air M2, we want to have a closer look at the new M2 chip. What changed, which improvements can you expect, and how does the increased power consumption affect the efficiency, especially compared to the previous M1 chip?
Thank you for the link; will have a proper read.
In the interim, I have found the chart I was trying to remember - it was also used on MR here. The discussion does ask what is being compared and under what conditions, and the "overclocking" idea seems to spawn on there as well.
NO, because you claimed M1 Pro being 3 year old chip which is simply wrong information. See our discussion below for the facts of the chip release dates.
IMHO Intel is an excellent example of the company selling "new" product each year without really doing any meaningful updates but just up clock rate and do some small tricks. They were ruling the market so long before Apple started using their own chips, which finally push them to innovate and move to newer technique chips.
IMHO Apple was also forced to pull Intel type trick with M2 since 3nm was not yet ready to launch. This makes sense with MBA M2 cooling which IMHO is very obviously designed for the cooler chips. So when 3nm is out, it is a drop in replacement in manufacturing point of view. My prediction is late first quarter or early second quarter 2023.
Interesting to see if they decide to put out M2 Pro type chips this fall. I think it is likely want to have "new products" to sell, so those who just upgraded their MBP 14"'s to extremely fast MBA M2 then get extra hyper extreme fast MBP 14"'s with M2 Pro chip that blows all other chips out of the water and it opens up web pages so fast (as if anyone could read them so fast).
But again M3 Pro when it finally comes, will be the true upgrade in every way. Interesting to see if that is available within one year. Probably if outlook for that is this long, we likely will see this M2 Pro iteration soon to fulfill people "upgraditis" urge.
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that really depends if apple release a m2 pro/max with 5nm late this year, if so then i don't see how apple gonna burn their customers by releasing a m3 pro/max with 3nm in less than 6 months time.IMHO Intel is an excellent example of the company selling "new" product each year without really doing any meaningful updates but just up clock rate and do some small tricks. They were ruling the market so long before Apple started using their own chips, which finally push them to innovate and move to newer technique chips.
IMHO Apple was also forced to pull Intel type trick with M2 since 3nm was not yet ready to launch. This makes sense with MBA M2 cooling which IMHO is very obviously designed for the cooler chips. So when 3nm is out, it is a drop in replacement in manufacturing point of view. My prediction is late first quarter or early second quarter 2023.
Interesting to see if they decide to put out M2 Pro type chips this fall. I think it is likely to have "new products" to sell, so those who just upgraded their MBP 14"'s to extremely fast MBA M2 then get extra hyper extreme fast MBP 14"'s with M2 Pro chip that blows all other chips out of the water and it opens up web pages so fast (as if anyone could read them so fast).
I guess it all depends on where they are with 3nm production really. I think M3 base chip is ready within first half of 2023. But it is interesting to see how long M3 Pro variants take from that, 6 months could be a tall order in the world we live in today but who knows. Otherwise we can see 1 year delay from M3 base release until we see M3 Pro's.
Probably M2 Pro is likely to happen to fill people urge to buy something, anything...
I'm fine with my MBP 14". Makes me smile every time I use it. Much faster that my MBA M1 and Mini M1 were, not that I felt them slowly either but this is just great since it never makes me wait for anything. Plus it is silent, so fast cooling fan started one within a month (I had to loop Cinebench to make it run). It is also an excellent desktop replacement, I use it practically 100% of the time I'm on computer and compared to my Mini M1 this is 100% silent in my use unlike Mini M1 was. And when ever I need to use it as a laptop, I just grab it from the table and take it with me. Something I never would have considered with MBA M2 or even M1 for that matter (I mean to use as a desktop replacement too).
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likewise, i was using my wife's mba prior and even though it was faster than my intel mbp, there were periodic pause and non instant that i was kinda expecting, the 14inch mbp just felt instant everywhere, no matter what i do there is no lag and i push this machine hard sometimes.
yeah i don't see how apple is gonna push everything so quickly down the pipeline consider the logistic challenges we face today, i think most likely scenario they will push out m2 pro/max with 5nm this year if not q1 next year, and then do a base m3 mba next year follow by m3 pro/max 2024 q1. apple has no competition right now and they are only competing against themselves at this point. so there is no rush for them.
This is exactly what I noticed with my MBP 14" compared to my previous Mini M1 and MBA M1, that it never has lag in anything. So it was not just heat issue, since Mini M1 has cooling fan running all the time.
People here seem to put way too much weight on single core performance thinking it is the only thing making computer fast. If that was the key for a good performance, we would get single core CPU's with extremely high tuned clock rates...
Yes, it is easy for them to milk people with these small updates so they can take their time with 3nm until yields are good enough for high margins (in profit I mean).
For me difference between MBP 14" and MBA M2 aesthetically is pretty much non existent but difference in feel of them is too much for me and I could not stand the flimsiness of the MBA M2.
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MBA M3 3nm is the MBA to wait for but the MBA M3 will be released in 2024. If you can wait that long, it'll be worth to pay the "MBA taxes". Hopefully it'll include Promotion, mini-LED and 120 hz screen.
MBA M2 is basically an overclocked M1.
MBA M2 is basically an overclocked M1.
I don't believe it takes that long. Because 3nm chips are (based on recent rumors) ready to ship early 2023 and it will be the base M3 chip likely the first produced and there is really no machine but MBA where to put it. Maybe old style 13" Pro gets it too. In notebooks I mean.
I don't think so. Those are Pro reserved features.
Exactly! Hence the heat and increased power consumption. Just what Intel has been doing in the past for decade or so until they were force to innovate (which is still in progress).
Yeah...they're rolling them out for the MBP 14", 16" models in 2023. That's why the MBP 14" are heavily discounted.
The MBA and MBP (non-Pro) will likely be next in the Summer of 2024. Why would Apple release a new MBA a year after the MBA M2?
Apple are working at close to 18 Month intervals (Based on Max tech) and their last release dates..11/2020 MBA M1 Release and 7/2022 MBA M2 release. 18 months.
If Apple can put some of those "Pro" features on their iPads and Macbook Pros, I'm pretty sure it'll be on the next Air.
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