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But frankly, if these M2 Max scores are real, Apple can forget about Mac Pro this year as well. They could pull an M2 Extreme of course, but why would someone buy it?
Yeah, quite frankly, I think those in the market may be better off buying an M1 Pro/Max with current really good deals saving coin over such a small upgrade.
 
For a while we kicked around a theory that M2 (or some other variant) would keep the existing performance characteristics of the prior version but add new capabilities via the media engine or other optimization techniques. So M2 perf may not blow the socks off M1 but may have other capabilities. any gain is a win because of this.
 
Ah, well, the Ultra was just not sufficient for a Mac Pro product. Can't really compete with a discrete workstation box at that performance level. But there was no indication that Ultra had any systemic problems with performance. There was this persistent rumour that the GPU couldn't be properly utilised (stemming from poor Blender scaling), but that is easily explained by how inefficient Blender is in dispatching work on Apple GPUs in the first place. Even on M1 Max there are huge gaps in the timeline and poor GPU core utilisation.

But frankly, if these M2 Max scores are real, Apple can forget about Mac Pro this year as well. They could pull an M2 Extreme of course, but why would someone buy it?
They are real and it's sad. :(
 
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Likely they will increase the voltage quite a bit, and get a lot more power out of the chips going into the Mac Pro. It can maintain cooling much more efficiently, I assume.

If they don't do it for M2 Max (current MacBook Pro and Studio chassis has tons of thermal headroom), I really don't see it happening for Ultra or Extreme either.
 
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That's a pathetic 11% increase only, after more than an year release cycle. This is a worse increment than intel-macs upgrades. At least those were upgraded by more than 15%, as far as I remember.
pathetic? You can still stick to your Intel collection. People like you can’t get enough…


You should first appreciate what a giant leap the M1 was in the first place…
 
This is in line with what the M2 offers over the M1. I don't know why anyone is surprised.
The real improvement for the M2 gen (for laptops at least) is those juicy new A15 derived efficiency cores. They should really help improve the battery life, especially on the 14" MBP.
But yes, for those people waiting for a big leap, it's been clear for a while you'll be waiting for the M3, and that isn't going to come out for a good while yet.

I do find it funny that everyone who was like "OMG Apple Silicon so much better than x86, look at the massive performance/efficiency improvement!" is now like "Why isn't every year like the M1 year!?"
I love my M1 Max but clearly so many of the people clamoring for Apple Silicon back when it was still just a rumor/just announced had no idea how chip design actually works.
Switching to Apple Silicon wasn't a magic wand that was going to allow Apple to stay miles ahead of Intel/AMD forever.
 
We are lucky to be getting these mild improvements. The global covid pandemic slowed EVERYTHING down to a crawl or to a complete stop. It will take another year to return production capacity and R&D to normalized conditions - only if the Ukraine war does not become a world war.
this is not about capacity but about quality...and pandemic is no excuse since they will still produce a lot of M2 families for the next 12 months
 
pathetic? You can still stick to your Intel collection.

You should first appreciate what a giant leap the M1 was in the first place…
so we have to living in the past where M1 was great?
Others are moving on....we still have no gpu raytracing still no cpu increase...again i thoutht since Intel has no more headroom with that heat and thermals ...but on Macs...they can easily boost everything up, but from what we can see they dont
While im very happy with the gpu increase that boost my times on my projects...i would love an cpu from M2 max/ultra on 3nm that have also over 20% increase
It seems the M1 family woke Intel and Amd up and put Apple to sleep
 
I'm not surpised.

Apple know that the "refresh cycle" for laptops is generally 3-5 years, instead of the 1-2 years for phones.
They need the M3 Pro/Max/Ultra to be a compelling upgrade for M1 users in 2024. So That will use the new 3nm process.

This will be marketed as better media encoding, aimed directly at the youtubers that market the things for them ;)
 
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This is in line with what the M2 offers over the M1. I don't know why anyone is surprised.
The real improvement for the M2 gen (for laptops at least) is those juicy new A15 derived efficiency cores. They should really help improve the battery life, especially on the 14" MBP.
But yes, for those people waiting for a big leap, it's been clear for a while you'll be waiting for the M3, and that isn't going to come out for a good while yet.

I was hoping they would finally split the consumer and prosumer desktop lines, with the prosumer receiving higher-performance, cutting edge, lower volume tech. In fact, I just don’t see how Apple wants to compete long-term without doing this.
 
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if its 5nm, no its not pathetic...since the gpu increase in huge, probably over 40%
But if this is the new 3nm, then yes
How you came to 40% improvement figure for GPU ?

I was disappointed by the GPU performance of the m1max, to be honest, I was expecting at least another 50-60% over what it is currently. I mean, it's a damn expensive machine.
 
This is disappointing compared to Raptor Lake and Ryzen 7000. Obviously those parts can’t compete with AS efficiency, but it’d be nice to see improvements in power too.
 
We are lucky to be getting these mild improvements. The global covid pandemic slowed EVERYTHING down to a crawl or to a complete stop. It will take another year to return production capacity and R&D to normalized conditions - only if the Ukraine war does not become a world war.

What does this have to do with anything? Both AMD and Intel are still progressing as usual. I don't think Apple's R&D was significantly halted by COVID. What is halting them is their stupid design decisions, and attempting to isolate themselves from the rest of the other chip manufacturers by breaking compatibility.
 
so we have to living in the past where M1 was great?
Others are moving on....we still have no gpu raytracing still no cpu increase...again i thoutht since Intel has no more headroom with that heat and thermals [...]

Or so you think. There's nothing stopping Intel from developing an ARM chip with e.g, accelerated x86 emulation.
 
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