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M3 MacBook Pro Ships With macOS Ventura, Can't Yet Be Updated to macOS Sonoma Over the Air

Tadros said:
Why are so many people in an uproar over this? 😂🤣 it’s not like the computers are shipping with Linux or something. I kind of hope mine comes with Ventura, I rather be on a previous OS until third party apps become stable.
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Eh I can understand being annoyed by this. I don't think it is an overreaction at all. Sometimes it is ok to call Apple out.
 
Tadros said:
Why are so many people in an uproar over this? 😂🤣 it’s not like the computers are shipping with Linux or something. I kind of hope mine comes with Ventura, I rather be on a previous OS until third party apps become stable.
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several Apple listed "critical" security updates are NOT in 13.5 having been applied in later versions up to 13.6.1 and eventually Sonoma 14.1... there is no way to update beyond 13.5 in these new devices.
 
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canyonblue737 said:
several Apple listed "critical" security updates are NOT in 13.5 having been applied in later versions up to 13.6.1 and eventually Sonoma 14.1... there is no way to update beyond 13.5 in these new devices.
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Ah, that makes sense, then. I was sad when my 17-inch MacBook Pro was dropped from OS support. That thing is probably terrible for security at this point.
 
I cannot imaging being excited that the latest and greatest Mac revealed just the week before had arrived at my door and then powering it on and discovering that it had last year's OS on it. Honestly, this screw up would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
 
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jdawgnoonan said:
I cannot imaging being excited that the latest and greatest Mac revealed just the week before had arrived at my door and then powering it on and discovering that it had last year's OS on it. Honestly, this screw up would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
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Like others have said it is absolutely normal to get a brand new computer and need a day 1 update, but I've never ever seen it with a 4 month old version of last year's OS version that was replaced nearly 2 months prior... and no evidence that Apple knew that was going to happen so no update was available. I mean if it booted to 13.5 but then immediately offered to download 14.1.1 no harm no foul but this was a screw up plain and simple... and its a bigger issue than some here on the forums that downplayed it for a couple of reasons...

1) the version of 13.5 installed on the M3 machines was an unreleased one that wouldn't even allow the machines to update to the current version of Ventura, 13.6.1 which contained critical security updates, let alone the current version of Sonoma already at 14.1
2) when booting to the new computer you could not migrate from another Mac that was on 14+ so you had to start from scratch.
3) if you called or chatted with Apple their suggestion was to use the recovery tool to wipe the drive and install from recovery, which because Apple's servers didn't recognize the computer would leave you with a non-functioning brand new M3 Mac.

the fix came quick tonight obviously, but this is table stakes and never should have happened. How Apple was seemingly unaware that EVERY SINGLE M3 iMac and base model M3 MacBook Pro delivered today had an unrecognized, unsupported version of last year's OS from July on it is amazing.
 
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canyonblue737 said:
Like others have said it is absolutely normal to get a brand new computer and need a day 1 update, but I've never ever seen it with the last year's OS version that was released nearly 2 months prior... and no evidence that Apple knew that was going to happen so no update was available. I mean if it booted to 13.5 but then immediately offered to download 14.1.1 no harm no foul but this was a screw up plain and simple... and its a bigger issue than some here on the forums that downplayed it for a couple of reasons...

1) the version of 13.5 installed on the M3 machines was an unreleased one that wouldn't even allow the machines to update to the current version of Ventura, 13.6.1 which contained critical security updates.
2) when booting to the new computer you could not migrate from another Mac that was on 14+ so you had to start from scratch.
3) if you called or chatted with Apple their suggestion was to use the recovery tool to wipe the drive and install from recovery, which because Apple's servers didn't recognize the computer would leave you with a non-functioning brand new M3 Mac.

the fix came quick tonight obviously, but this is table stakes and never should have happened. How Apple was seemingly unaware that EVERY SINGLE M3 iMac and base model M3 MacBook Pro delivered today had an unrecognized, unsupported version of last year's OS from July on it is amazing.
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I am with you, it is normal to be maybe a minor version or two away from current on the first boot up. This is certainly something outside of what anyone would expect. I am glad that they rapidly fixed it, but still for such an arrogant company that brags about their "Magical" products it is pretty bad. I love my Apple products, but they are pretty arrogant.
 
nicolas17 said:
It's pretty normal for new Macs to ship with older versions. The MacBook Pro 14"/16" with M2 was shipped with 13.0 on release day, even though 13.1 came out before the MBP was announced and 13.2 came out shortly before it started shipping. It's not that they installed an old version by mistake; they probably installed the current version and they sat in a warehouse since.
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A similar thing happened with the M1 Pro/Mac MBPs. I'm trying to remember the version numbers; I think mine may have shipped with 12.0 which was never released for any existing Mac models.
 
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VivienM said:
A similar thing happened with the M1 Pro/Mac MBPs. I'm trying to remember the version numbers; I think mine may have shipped with 12.0 which was never released for any existing Mac models.
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If I remember correctly, several forum members (and elsewhere) did a wipe and attempted to do a clean install and their Macs were dead in the water, because they couldn't install the OS.
 
Expecting it to be fixed soon. Seems like the units were ready earlier on and announcement/launch was much later
 
I received a base model M3 14 inch Pro today — this is the first time I've ever, in two decades, gotten a new Apple anything on release day.

It does indeed have Ventura on it as I'm typing this....but since the 15 inch Pro (late 2016, Touch Bar, dying keyboard) it is replacing was two (or is it three?) major revs back it still seems new and fresh and FAST. And it has amazing battery life. I've been updating other apps, testing things and playing music on it for about three hours now, and it's at 93%.

The migration of data from the Time Machine backup of my 15 inch MBP went smoothly.

And yes, Software Update has 14.1.1 available for it, and I'll probably go ahead and do it and see how Sonoma is before encouraging my wife (13 inch M2 Air) to go there. She's on Ventura, too.

Breathe, people....
 
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Ok, here’s something weird. Our M3 MacBook Pro shipped with Ventura and can’t seem to update to Sonoma at all. Version not compatible. Our M3 Pro MacBook Pro shipped with Sonoma.

Too low IQ for public announcements sorry

MacBook Pro / Pro MacBook Pro?
 
LeoI07 said:
Please DM me if you got one of the new Macs running this version of Ventura 13.5 (22G2074 or maybe 22G2080), or a special preinstalled version of Sonoma 14.1 (23B2073), so that before you update it, I can walk you through the process of dumping the OS for archival purposes, since Apple doesn't provide downloads for them. It only requires a boot into the recoveryOS, a few terminal commands, and some external storage (with at least as much capacity as the Mac's internal storage).

Not many people want these OS's, but they won't be able to have them if no one archives them.
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I scrapped all wallpapers from every macOS version by installing them. Because all those "download original wallpapers" were blurry and compressed to death because it seems to be impossible to upload a wallpaper without converting with 8 bit BMP from microsoft paint
 
iMac27LoverButNowSad said:
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Ok, here’s something weird. Our M3 MacBook Pro shipped with Ventura and can’t seem to update to Sonoma at all. Version not compatible. Our M3 Pro MacBook Pro shipped with Sonoma.

Too low IQ for public announcements sorry
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I also have the 18gb/512gb M3 Pro MacBook Pro and mine shipped with Sonoma. This leads me to believe the base m3 was ready first but for whatever reason they decided to not release the m3 early and just release it along with the other models, so the m3 models have just been chilling in the warehouse for a few months.
 
Jacoblee23 said:
I also have the 18gb/512gb M3 Pro MacBook Pro and mine shipped with Sonoma. This leads me to believe the base m3 was ready first but for whatever reason they decided to not release the m3 early and just release it along with the other models, so the m3 models have just been chilling in the warehouse for a few months.
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How is it? Which color did you get? I am stuck on a iMac 27" from 2020
 
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