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Hoping there’s some improved thermal solution. Not expecting anything major but the Max chip on the 14” is somewhat throttled. Would hope that if they keep that config, they’d figure out a way to remove even more heat from the system somehow. Wonder if the copper solution from the M4 iPad Pro could help somehow (I know, fanless vs fan).
 
Release of M4 chips might show us how serious is Apple about AI. AI models require memory, more capable models, more memory, simple as that. After WWDC we already know that iPhone 15 is not capable of running AI models because of low memory. NPU is the same, but there is no RAM to fit the model. Shame. Let's hope that new minimum is 12 or 16GB.
 
Don’t buy first gen they said..

Yet my M1 Air is still going strong and getting all AI stuff…


Only worthwhile upgrade i can see coming is a OLED air or tandem OLED Pro. (Only if it gets thinner)
 
Why is Ross Young commenting on panel shipments for an M4 MacBook Pro if its design is staying the same? 🤔

To me, this suggest there will be a different panel in the new M4 MacBook Pro.
He thinks it's going to be OLED
 
If the M4 Max is two M4 Pro SoCs stitched together (as rumored about elsewhere on these forums), then I would think the base M4, the M4 Pro, and the M4 Max will stick to N3E; the M4 Ultra and the M4 Extreme could most likely be on N3P for preview/release at WWDC 2025 though...?
If it is true the mac Studio will get upgraded next summer then I think it will launch M5 Ultra on N3P. Maddening performance. Air wont get it until the rest of the series gets M5 late 2025.

It will have a great GPU boost. Then comes M6 series with minor upgrades but that’s when they go OLED so we have that as incentive to upgrade.
 
If the M4 Max is two M4 Pro SoCs stitched together (as rumored about elsewhere on these forums), then I would think the base M4, the M4 Pro, and the M4 Max will stick to N3E; the M4 Ultra and the M4 Extreme could most likely be on N3P for preview/release at WWDC 2025 though...?
Do you think then that the M4 gen will last until late 2025? I mean, given the huge improvement with the M4, it makes sense that it will be a long generation.
 
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If the M4 Pro and Max comes out this fall and in a new MBP already, it’s safe to assume we will get a new M chip every year (9-18 months). Whenever it’s ready and a new product needs to be updated. They will have established their cadence.
 
If the M4 Pro and Max comes out this fall and in a new MBP already, it’s safe to assume we will get a new M chip every year (9-18 months). Whenever it’s ready and a new product needs to be updated. They will have established their cadence.
Do you think a yearly refresh is needed?
 
I fully expect Mac Studio will get the M4 Max next year as it's base chip (and the Mac mini an M4 Pro option). There is no real benefit to Apple to develop a dedicated desktop chip when the Pro and Max models work very well.

That being said, I could see Apple developing the Ultra model into a dedicated chip to provide better overall performance than the current "two Max" configuration. We have seen that the "two Max" solution does not scale linearly and the Mac Studio and Mac Pro offer sufficient cooling and power headroom to support an SoC that is mostly performance CPU cores, GPU cores and Neural Engine cores along with higher memory bandwidth.
Right now they are making do with Ultra chips for their AI servers, while at the same time developing a server-specific chip based on the M4. I think it makes more sense to have the server chips do double duty as Mac chips rather than the other way around. As it is, the Ultra is two glued-up mobile chips that do not scale properly, making them highly inefficient for proper desktop workloads. Having their server chips be true high-performance chips finally makes the Mac a viable product in and of itself, but more importantly, better performance for the server farms and the professionals whose work requires them. With chips having utilization for both servers and desktops, it would offer better economies of scale and finally make them worthwhile for Apple to produce.
 
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That Apple's best selling computers get updated first is a skewed priority?
Priorities skewed in the sense of, why did they launch it in the iPad Pro first? And they updated the Macbook Air with M3 just like 2 months before that launch?

Why not just wait for the Airs and launch it in the iPad Pro and Macbook Air simultaneously.
 
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My M1 Pro 14 inch is too good. I'll likely only upgrade when tandem OLED displays come to the MBP line and it doesn't look like that will be happening this year.
 
No Apple MacBook Pro update goes through a chip swap only. There will be other tidbits to enhance end-user experience. For me, this year is only about iPhone 16. Let's grab it before Apple thinpossible rushes in.
 
Why does Apple just, hate the iMac? Compared to the other product lines it looks neglected. Give your eldest child some attention, Apple!
What are you talking about? It is the only Apple desktop with an M3 chip, all of the other desktops (mini, studio, Pro) are still chugging along with just M2 generation chips
 
No way they let the iPad Pro have better display technology and have a super thin design, but keep the MacBook Pro exactly the same, but just add an M4 chip.
 
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