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The way I am viewing this is I think I will go for the M4 Max Studio with 128 28 gigs of RAM and the 40 core GPU.
I do photo editing and video editing, but also AI creation.
My Mac Mini M1 was plenty good enough for all the photo editing. In fact, I upgraded to the M4 Pro, and I don't see any significant, if any improvement in my photo editing speeds. I have an M1 Mac Studio. I do all my 4K video editing on. That's never been a problem either.
But for the AI creation, things are definitely a lot slower than Nvidia systems.
My M1 was just way too slow and my M4 Pro, I am able to use it and I'm creating AI images now basically every day, sometimes up to a thousand of them or more a day.
the M4 for studio with the more GPUs and higher amount of RAM than my M4 Pro, I should see somewhat of an increase in speed. I'm hoping 50%, but maybe only 40%.
But to get the real faster speeds, I would have to be spending around $12,000 on the Ultra, which is ridiculous. ridiculous when I could build a system for much less using a Nvidia board and computer, which I have one as well with one of the lower end boards.
If you go online and look at the cost of renting GPU space, kind of adding it up for what it would cost you to buy like a $12,000 M3 Ultra, you can probably rent GPU space for eight hours a day, for five or six days a week, for over seven years or more for that same cost. and it would be two to three times if not faster And as new boards come out and the rental places upgrade to newer systems, you will always be able to then rent even faster systems to use.
So you would get a lot more work done. So in reality, you probably wouldn't need eight hours a day worth of it because you're getting stuff done much faster, so then you could extend that time possibly out to even 14 years of renting GPU space online.
So develop things on the Mac M4 Max studio and run some basic things as needed local or for small jobs., but on larger jobs where you need to run lots and lots of images and run harder models And things like flux, that takes a lot more power, use the online services because it will save you so much more money than paying a fortune for a Mac system that's still much, much slower than most of the NVIDIA run systems.
Using SDXL models on my M4 Mini Pro for my current use, I can knock out images in around 25 to 28 seconds on average. and then do upsizing and extra editing afterwards in another program like Photomator.
I'm hoping the Mac M4 Mac Studio with the 40 gigs of GPU will at least knock my time down to 10 to 12 seconds. That would be acceptable. but on larger jobs, then I can go online and knock that down to a few seconds each.
But one of the problems that I've learned is a lot of the AI nodes and things for doing this are not optimized for the Mac core ML. And that's one of the things holding it back for speed that prevents a lot of it from even using the GPUs to the full extent.
 
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agreed. But I think my point is, for $300 more, you get more GPU cores and 2 extra TB5 ports. But you lose 32GB of RAM. But in his video he didn't go above 77GB with everything running. So if GPU and multicore use is more important for you, I think the M3 is the way to go.
The reason for choosing when we are talking about a purchase above $1500 is how much will it cost you per year, because a $5000 purchase that lasts 10 years is cheaper than buying a $2000 every 3 years. So, the question you need to ask yourself is not how much RAM that youtuber used, but if you’ll be fine with 96GB and a binned M3 generation 5 years from now, or if you’ll want to update. In my case, I can say an unbinned M4 Max 128GB with 2TB SSD can last 10 years for me without an urgent need to update earlier. I cannot say the same for a binned M3 Ultra with just 96 GB, which, yes, it’s “only” 32 GB less, but these 32 GB can be crucial some years from now, and they will no doubt extend the life of the machine and help postpone the next desktop purchase.

Edit: Also, I tend to have very good experiences when buying maxed-up configurations (they last me many years), so I prefer a maxed out M4 Max with all the RAM it can handle than an entry level M3 Ultra.
 
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I’m in the exact same situation as you I’m undecided between M4M or M3U . I would like to speed up the import in Lr of my Canon CR3 files (R5 MII), which is currently very slow. Exporting is quite fast, except for PDF generation. I’m not sure if it’s worth it, and I don’t know if I would get any substantial benefits. I’m curious about what you will choose😌
Well in my case I'm working with 61mpx Sony A7R V raw files converted to TIFF files, several thousands of them per session (sometimes, not always) while exported via Lightroom. With the current M1 Ultra 64B RAM 20/48 setup I'm reasonably happy with export times. Once I start using demanding plugins in After Effects involving denoise or deflicker, that's where real "fun" starts as memory swap shows up soon. And that's using one plugin at a time when working with 6K video file (like forget about 8K, that would take a long while).

Not sure either whether M4 Max 128GB 16/40 provides significant improvement, since AE is not only a memory hog, it relies on GPU as well and M3 Ultra will surely perform better in that area. Time will tell...
 
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I'm being rather simplistic here, but consider this...

1) A US Bank has 28 available clerks for servicing customers. They will service each customer in 4.50 seconds.

2) Another US Bank has 16 available clerks for servicing customers. They will service each customer in 4.02 seconds.

View the number of clerks as a computer's core count.

Bank 1) is the M3 Ultra and its clerks represent its cores performance.
Bank 2) is the M4 Max and its clerks represent its cores performance.

The customer line is equivalent to the number of computer processes needing CPU attention.

Example: Each Bank's customer line occupies 100 customers waiting to be serviced.

M3 Ultra Bank 1) will clear the customer line in (100 x 4.50) / 28 or some 16.07 seconds.
M4 Max Bank 2) will clear the customer line in (100 x 4.02 )/ 16 or some 25.13 seconds.

The M3 Ultra will always be the winner for an infinite customer line (i.e., never ending PIDs wanting core services), even though the M3 Ultra bank's clerks are slower for servicing the customers' needs.

Let's face it, there will always be 100s of processes that are queued up waiting to be given a processor core(s).

Thus in general for this simplified case the M3 Ultra will always perform more computer work than the M4 Max will ever do in their lifetimes. ;)
 
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This $3,399.99 is a good deal IMO.
Yup. If I was in the video production business I'd run down to MicroCenter to pick one up, and have it as an exporting machine. 96GB is more than enough for all but the most extreme video production.
 
I'm being rather simplistic here, but consider this...
In a Computer Science program (at least for a degree) one usually takes a class that includes Queueing Theory. I found it one of the more interesting topics along the way.

Generally speaking, things are not as straightforward as you are hoping.
 
In a Computer Science program (at least for a degree) one usually takes a class that includes Queueing Theory. I found it one of the more interesting topics along the way.

Generally speaking, things are not as straightforward as you are hoping.
Yea... agree. Although in most cases Performance = Processor cores first , then Memory, then I/O with the hope all things are nicely balanced to avoid bottlenecks.... Cheers. :)
 
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The thing is, we tend to focus too much on the numbers. In real-world usage, the small speed difference between the M4 Max and M3 Ultra isn’t something you’ll noticeably feel in single-core tasks—not this year, maybe in 5–8 years, but certainly not now. However, when it comes to multitasking and pushing the machine to its limits, that’s where you’ll see a difference.

I get why so many people are going after the M4 Max—it’s new, and that alone is a big reason for the hype.

If we removed the SoC generation names and Apple simply called them Mac Studio Max and Mac Studio Ultra, how would people react? Would there still be the same obsession over which one is “newer”
 
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The thing is, we tend to focus too much on the numbers. In real-world usage, the small speed difference between the M4 Max and M3 Ultra isn’t something you’ll noticeably feel in single-core tasks—not this year, maybe in 5–8 years, but certainly not now. However, when it comes to multitasking and pushing the machine to its limits, that’s where you’ll see a difference.

I get why so many people are going after the M4 Max—it’s new, and that alone is a big reason for the hype.

If we removed the SoC generation names and Apple simply called them Mac Studio Max and Mac Studio Ultra, how would people react? Would there still be the same obsession over which one is “newer”
It’s not just about raw speed but also long-term new software-based feature support, power efficiency, and architecture improvements.

The M4 Max isn’t just "new", it is based on ARMv9, while the M3 Ultra is still using older-generation cores. This might not make a difference today, but in 3–5 years, certain software optimizations might favor ARMv9-based architectures.

If Apple removed the generation names, people would still compare benchmarks, software compatibility, thermals, and efficiency, because those factors directly impact usability. The distinction between "Max" and "Ultra" might create bias, but performance analysis is more than just a name.

Take my Mac Pro 2013 (Black Cylinder) as an example. If I told someone it was a midrange system with a PassMark score of ~13,000 for the CPU and ~8,000 for the GPU, would that change anything? Even if it technically supports macOS Sequoia, it still can’t handle optimizations properly and falls far behind modern CPUs. Raw CPU and GPU power alone doesn’t determine real-world performance.

That said, if the M3 Ultra were more reasonably priced, I could have considered it based on my needs. In fact, if it were a better fit for my specific workload, I would have chosen it despite the price difference. However, if I were going for 256GB or more RAM, I would definitely wait for the Mac Pro announcement in June before making a decision. And also in that case, if I didn’t want a fan-heavy, larger Mac Pro, I would just buy an M3 Ultra Mac Studio right away.

Well, thanks to this post I drove about 90 minutes to the MicroCenter in Tustin, CA and now own a M3 Ultra lol
If this discount were available everywhere, I might have reconsidered the M3 Ultra Mac Studio.
 
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MicroCenter has the base M3 Ultra for only $3400. Get then while they are in stock!

For $3,399.99 at MicroCenter (N.B. AVAILABLE FOR IN-STORE PICKUP ONLY.)
SKU: 831073

Apple Mac Studio MU973LL/A (Early 2025) Desktop Computer; Apple M3 Ultra 28-Core CPU; 96GB Unified Memory; 1TB Solid State Drive; 60-Core GPU

This MicroCenter price of $3,399.99 compares with Apple's $3,999.00 for exact same model specs. That's a $600 discount!

If it had the 2TB internal SSD I'd jump for it ASAP. This $3,399.99 is a good deal IMO.

For more see https://www.microcenter.com/search/...4294967292+4294819353+4294806409&myStore=true

Well, thanks to this post I drove about 90 minutes to the MicroCenter in Tustin, CA and now own a M3 Ultra lol

You guys just cost me $3400.. where do I send the bill? Read these this morning, logged on to microccenter and they had one.. put it in my cart for pick up.. and the web site got wonky, wasnt sure it went through..and then it showed out of stock, but I went.. and bingo!

thanks.. I was on the fence between the max and the ultra and if I needed it at all... but how could I resist?

time to benchmark... adios!
 
The following petapixel article generally favours M4 Max before M3 Ultra, if one happens to be a dedicated photographer, that is. Especially regular heavy tasked Photoshop users. Max is no slouch in Premiere and Davinci (wished they did After Effects test!) either, it's just that Ultra is somewhat faster.

https://petapixel.com/2025/03/11/mac-studio-with-m3-ultra-review-a-dream-machine-for-video-editors/

Thing is, my workflow consists of both photography and video, that's what timelapse genre is about after all!
50% Ligthroom, 50% AE and Davinci Resolve (combined) and occasionally Photoshop. I can see definite advantage in having Max for the photography part as it is clearly ahead of M1 Ultra in that area (batch processing and overall export times of TIFF files via Lightroom). However M3 Ultra wins in video processing, though not by a large margin.

Again I'll keep waiting for After Effects comparisons (ideally where Neat Video and Digital Anarchy's Deflicker plugins are used), not that many of them out there yet, curious if any will be out anytime soon at all🤔. That's where the 96GB vs 128GB RAM dilemma chimes in as well. Also I can have 2TB internal SSD option with M4 Max and "only" 1TB SSD with M3 Ultra, when Apple baskets are compared.

As said before, I'll just sit tight, wait and see...
 
The following petapixel article generally favours M4 Max before M3 Ultra, if one happens to be a dedicated photographer, that is. Especially regular heavy tasked Photoshop users. Max is no slouch in Premiere and Davinci (wished they did After Effects test!) either, it's just that Ultra is somewhat faster.

https://petapixel.com/2025/03/11/mac-studio-with-m3-ultra-review-a-dream-machine-for-video-editors/

Thing is, my workflow consists of both photography and video, that's what timelapse genre is about after all!
50% Ligthroom, 50% AE and Davinci Resolve (combined) and occasionally Photoshop. I can see definite advantage in having Max for the photography part as it is clearly ahead of M1 Ultra in that area (batch processing and overall export times of TIFF files via Lightroom). However M3 Ultra wins in video processing, though not by a large margin.

Again I'll keep waiting for After Effects comparisons (ideally where Neat Video and Digital Anarchy's Deflicker plugins are used), not that many of them out there yet, curious if any will be out anytime soon at all🤔. That's where the 96GB vs 128GB RAM dilemma chimes in as well. Also I can have 2TB internal SSD option with M4 Max and "only" 1TB SSD with M3 Ultra, when Apple baskets are compared.

As said before, I'll just sit tight, wait and see...
First 1-maximize Processor, then 2-maximize memory, then 3-maximize I/O (SSD), keeping budget in mind for each step. The internal SSD capacity can always be compared to the new TB5 storage devices which offer close to internal Apple's SSDs read/write data rates, plus external SSD can be upgraded/replaced whereas internal Apple SSD is fixed and not upgradable and in general is far more expensive.
 
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First 1-maximize Processor, then 2-maximize memory, then 3-maximize I/O (SSD), keeping budget in mind for each step. The internal SSD capacity can always be compared to the new TB5 storage devices which offer close to internal Apple's SSDs read/write data rates, plus external SSD can be upgraded/replaced whereas internal Apple SSD is fixed and not upgradable and in general is far more expensive.
Absolutely agree with you on the priority list. With the introduction of TB5 tech, storage option has become very attractive, even though with only a few products/enclosures expensive as of today, yet significantly cheaper than Apple's well known atrocious internal storage pricing policy😣

But with the specced up M4 Max (minus the SSD) vs base M3 Ultra and each system's characteristics, it has become a bit more challenging to choose accordingly (well at least for me that is!). Like for example, newer M4 vs. older M3. Or the RAM disparity on Ultra configs (like honestly, why not to start at 128GB, hey Apple?)

If following the budget of around €5000 (in Europe), it's neck to neck. As of today I'm still more fond of M4 Max config, just really waiting eagerly for some real world tests of both systems in After Effects. If they happen to be similar enough/not too far apart, I would very likely get the M4 Max combo.

Then again, if I saw that M3 Ultra base on sale for no more than €4000 (like that unique MicroCenter offer), I'd be sold instantly🤑. In ideal world I'd want to get M4 Ultra. Surely I'm not the only one thinking it...
 
Absolutely agree with you on the priority list. With the introduction of TB5 tech, storage option has become very attractive, even though with only a few products/enclosures expensive as of today, yet significantly cheaper than Apple's well known atrocious internal storage pricing policy😣

But with the specced up M4 Max (minus the SSD) vs base M3 Ultra and each system's characteristics, it has become a bit more challenging to choose accordingly (well at least for me that is!). Like for example, newer M4 vs. older M3. Or the RAM disparity on Ultra configs (like honestly, why not to start at 128GB, hey Apple?)

If following the budget of around €5000 (in Europe), it's neck to neck. As of today I'm still more fond of M4 Max config, just really waiting eagerly for some real world tests of both systems in After Effects. If they happen to be similar enough/not too far apart, I would very likely get the M4 Max combo.

Then again, if I saw that M3 Ultra base on sale for no more than €4000 (like that unique MicroCenter offer), I'd be sold instantly🤑. In ideal world I'd want to get M4 Ultra. Surely I'm not the only one thinking it...
That's the (and my) dilemma. If you disregard the cost for a moment (and, one shouldn't) it's still unclear if the m3U or m4max (not binned) is 'better'. The answer seems to be 'depending on your use case and workflow' - but if you didn't care about $$ there is still no clear picture to me of "well, if you have the money, just get the M3U unbanned". Even there, some use cases (and 'unfortunately' mine, or things would be easier to decide) favor the unbinned m4... Sigh :)
 
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That's the (and my) dilemma. If you disregard the cost for a moment (and, one shouldn't) it's still unclear if the m3U or m4max (not binned) is 'better'. The answer seems to be 'depending on your use case and workflow' - but if you didn't care about $$ there is still no clear picture to me of "well, if you have the money, just get the M3U unbanned". Even there, some use cases (and 'unfortunately' mine, or things would be easier to decide) favor the unbinned m4... Sigh :)
Tell me about it. Just after watching this dude's video, some good points from him especially in terms of affordability and overall investment:

M4 Max or M3 Ultra Mac Studio?
 
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Tell me about it. Just after watching this dude's video, some good points from him especially in terms of affordability and overall investment:

M4 Max or M3 Ultra Mac Studio?
I've watched that, too. I agree with most of what he said.

I personally just want a fast Mac. I don't do photo processing or video editing for a living. An upgraded M4 Pro mini could potentially satisfy my raw CPU needs, but I consider myself a power user and I've got three Studio Displays to connect along with some other peripherals, so upgrading to the M4 Max Studio with all the extra ports made some sense for me. And while I don't need the GPU power of the Ultra to do it, I do periodically use Osirix MD and Falcon MD to do some medical 3D rendering. I will enjoy the faster GPU in the M4 Max versus the M4 Pro for that, but the M3 Ultra's GPU isn't necessary for me (my laptop's 14/30-core M3 Max is already more than sufficient).
 
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So the M4 Max in the Studio does seem a tad bit faster than the MBP, at least from the averages I see in the Geekbench browser. I just tested it, this is with 128GB ram.

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So the M4 Max in the Studio does seem a tad bit faster than the MBP, at least from the averages I see in the Geekbench browser. I just tested it, this is with 128GB ram.

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Thanks for the input. Just wondering how would this M4 Max 128GB RAM perform in After Effects running demanding plugins on 6K (or even 8K) ProRes 4222/4444 HQ video files...

Would you be so kind to run the following terminal command and report results back, if you get a chance, please:

NeatBench | Neat Video
 
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For this example that was posted,
Bank 1) is the M3 Ultra and its clerks represent its cores performance.
Bank 2) is the M4 Max and its clerks represent its cores performance.

If both banks are using CPU instead of GPU, the M4 Max wins by far by using the tasks that most programs would use the most would be the CPU.

I'm still leaning towards the M4 Max with 128 gigabyte RAM and the 40 GPU.
I have no plans of shooting 6K or 8K video, and I have no problem editing 4k video now. So the M4 Max would just be a little bit of an improvement over what I'm already happy with.
Still for all my AI generation, Renting online GPU space is much cheaper than buying any of these systems for that use.
I would rather have the extra RAM over the base model Ultra for loading in more LLM models or loading in lots of AI models for making images from. I crashed my M4 Pro last night with 48 gigs of RAM after having an LLM running, Ollama, and loading in multiple AI models into Comfy UI to do a test batch run of testing different models.

But I'm still waiting to see some render speeds would like to see real AI results, not just blender that I don't use versus the M4 Max 40 GPU and the base model Ultra.
It's only a couple hundred dollars more to get the base M3 Ultra, but then I would have less ram versus the M4 Max with 128 So it'd be able to load a lot less in with the ultra especially over time as we get more LLM models coming out, having that extra 32 gigs of RAM could make a whole big difference into the future.
I've been running a photography business for over 25 years now, and before that I did video production, but I also do some video production now for our YouTube channels all 4k we have. I was editing raw photo files back before Lightroom even came out and was one of the Lightroom beta testers.
But since I got my Mac Mini M1, I've had zero problems editing in any program. Lightroom, Capture One, DxO, And Luminar Neo. I even have Photomator and Pixelmator Pro on Apple, which is a big competitor against Lightroom and PS now more than people realize. The big advantage of it is you buy it once and get free updates forever. and for raw editing it's fantastic and 100% built for Mac. The upsizing tool is also fantastic on par with Topaz, so you never have to worry about paying for anything extra.
So I guess for me it's gonna come down to, is the M4 MAX 40 cores on an M4 going to work close enough to 60 cores on an M3 ultra. but then give me the faster CPU speeds and 32gigs of more ram. and better compatibility into the future or not.
 
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