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M4 Pro Chip Benchmark Results Reveal an Extremely Impressive Performance Feat
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There will be times when Apple M chip would closing its peak and stops giving huge performance boost annually, and I'd like to wait for that instead of buying the hype now and left being disappointed because Apple's chip being "too fast" year after year. That is the point of my argument from the beginning.
As a poster wrote above, iPhones at the early 2010 was exactly like Mac now. Huge performance gain, up to 2-3x faster by each iteration and it was a bad time to just keep buying newest shiniest iPhone knowing you will be left out with half the performance next year. Now iPhone is just a boring but predictable updates at which you can hold upgrades for a bit longer. You get my point?
Yes I'd like to wait for Mac to reach NVidia's RTX nowadays because to me it's a peace of mind about how much gains I can expect and how long before I need to upgrade.
In that paradise of yours, there's no point of selling $5K computer then. Just keep buying $500 to get fastest shiniest machine ever year.
now I can browse MacRumors 1.9x faster
Beats my 14700k running at a zillion watts with the fans going full blast
Excited for new Mac to arrive
First new one since 2012
Excited for new Mac to arrive
First new one since 2012
Huh?
The top tier GPU always gets knocked to mid tier by NVIDIA. This is how it has been for decades. The 5090 will be faster and the 4090 will instantly become mid tier.
Again, you’re looking silly.
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Imagine how much performance you could get if you waited ten years!
(Of course, if you needed that performance for income, you’d be homeless waiting.)
No, I’d get an iPhone when I need it and if I really need the performance increase, trade it in for the faster one.
Same for a Mac.
Huh?
The top tier GPU always gets knocked to mid tier by NVIDIA. This is how it has been for decades. The 5090 will be faster and the 4090 will instantly become mid tier.
Again, you’re looking silly.
In that benchmark of yours, 3090 is still a bit faster than 4070 you've been so kind for proving my point. And nothing beats 4090 for 2 years now until 5090 is released later, and that's fine knowing I've been enjoying the best tech for 2 years with no one else on top. What, you think I don't know that tech always evolves?
Yes buying the most expensive GPU is a rare bragging right in tech world that actually works well. I don't feel silly at all, so that's on you 😊
Apples iPhone iterations feel lighter simply due to software maturity. The hardware in the iPhone isn’t slowing down each year. But the gains are so far out ahead it takes years before the average user hits a ceiling.
The sand is true on Mac today! An average typical user who isn’t a professional in specific niches can easily ride out ANY M series chip until Apple sunsets the computer.
Regular people are not buying new MacBook Pros every release. A software developer who has a job who understands time is money might upgrade him or her annually though as shaving a minute off his compile times has immediate ROI effects the business cares to capture.
Always feels like last year's Ultra is this year's Max, and last year's Max is this year's Pro, etc. I guess that's what you'd want, rapid advancement.
A 10% difference is a yawn. Especially considering frame generation really amplifies the 4070 performance well beyond that benchmark.
The 4090 lasts as long as nvidia refresh cycle lasts. It has been more frequent than 2 years in the past. But, again your argument is silly.
Apple has no desire to adopt an NVIDIA release cycle. They’ll continue to release their products when they want to. Not when you or anyone else thinks they should.
That’s classically Apple.
Thanks, I saw those specs from a sketchy publication, unsourced, and was vaguely citing them as non-authoritative. It is obvious that memory bandwidth in the 800GB/s range will have to wait for an M4 Ultra, and by then, bandwidth should be even higher.
Meaning at some point in the future, M chip iteration might slowing down just like what you're seeing in the iPhone, or happening at Intel, AMD and NVidia right now. I'd rather wait for that time to come instead of being stuck in the rapid train of change. Surely my decision won't affect yours, no? 🤷🏼♂️👋🏼
Again, what are you talking about?
Apple uses the same chips largely across their lineup. iPhones aren’t completely divorced from their M series chips. So iPhones also see heavy performance increases each release.
The difference is the iPhone software and physical design limits how you can exploit those gains. But that’s largely a software issue and not a hardware one. Similar to the iPad where you’d struggle to fully exploit any M series chip.
Will Apple CPU performance increases slow down generation over generation? I suppose it would at some point in the future since that’s forever. But it means nothing to me. I am not going to sit around waiting for a slowdown that may never arrive in my lifetime.
I am going to buy when I need to so I can use the tech when I need it…
Mid range AS beating top end CPUs from intel and AMD?
It will be interesting when M4 Max and eventually M4 ultra specs turn up
It will be interesting when M4 Max and eventually M4 ultra specs turn up
Just like you admitted earlier, NVidia used to launch newer GPUs a bit more often, now it's a two-years cycle (not counting slightly improved mid-cycle Super variants) and later on, could be even longer. Yes iPhone chip is based on M series, but there's only so many you can do on that sleek, passively cooled chassis. The 16 Pro barely catch up with 3 years old M1 chip, so it definitely is slowing down.
The only M4 chip I had is the new iPad Pro and I'd like to jump for Mac when annual gain slows down. You can buy whatever tech you want and I don't have to agree with you though. So there's that 👌🏼
Since Intel is not slowing down after decades, since Apple left for arm arhitecture, Intel is growing up again, amd as well...i dont see M doing so for another decade. Materials transistors, tools just started with the Apple SoC. Lets not forget M4 is a much more "colder" SoC than M2 and this is a positive for "injecting" more performance for both passive and active cooling devices. Even battery life increase while increasing performance..that means more health to the battery cells as well
Iphone 16 pro crushes M1 in ray tracing apps...so lets compare apples to apples
Unless they're running stress tests this means nothing to be honest.
If all the tests are done the same way then its apples to apples and it makes a point, a big one
I guess it depends what you need. I doubt people were buying the Studio for the CPU performance alone. It will be interested to see the benchmarks for the Max factoring in the GPU performance. For some people, the Studio will still do something for their workflow that the mini wont.
Not having a powerful enough GPU makes these new Macs look silly especially since everything is unified and you can't upgrade manually like before if needed for space or ram miss the good ole days
That was pretty much the case from circa 1984 to 2010. During that time I was upgrading roughly every 6 years and expect a 10x improvement in performance. I bought an M1 Mini 16G/1T in early 2021 and now thinking about the M4 Pro many with 64G of RAM. So in about 4 years the top of the line Mini is now ~4X faster, with 4X the RAM and 4X the memory bandwidth. This is slower than the "golden era" of rapidly increasing computer power, but still respectable growth.
Update: I did pull the trigger on ordering the M4Pro Mini - due Dec 10.
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Impressive benchmarks, it'll be interesting to see how the Max goes in the MBP as that will give us some indication of how an M4 Ultra might stack up.