M4 Pro Chip Benchmark Results Reveal an Extremely Impressive Performance Feat

[GraXXoR]

It really is a bad time for M chip series. Apple keeps dwarfing the previous generation by huge margin as if the old chip means nothing. M4 Pro faster than M2 Ultra. Baseline M4 faster than M2 Pro, M4 Pro much faster than M3 Pro. I mean come on how do you think people with older M series Macs feel about that?

At this pace, next year baseline M5 chip could be faster than M4 Pro today. I do think some baby steps upgrade like NVidia GPU, or maybe iPhone A series chip feels much better for consumers as you don't feel much gutted when the next gen chip is launched.

Also the iteration update is way too fast, M3 series barely half a year old yet and M4 is already launched (on iPad Pro) and the M3 was getting punched real good. Like whoaaa, really?🤨

You're funny...
IKR... It's just absurd that for some reason Apple computers are getting faster every year... when will this dangerous and unwarranted trend stop?

 

[b.la]

Because it creates confusion as when should I buy a Mac? Imagine spending $4000 for the most expensive, fully maxxed out dream setup Mac and just a year later Apple can squeeze the same performance on a base line Mac Mini?

What are you using your Mac for?

I always say if you need a computer now, buy something that suits your needs plus a little extra power for longevity. If you can wait until a new machine is released, do that!

 

[MiaBchDave]

I can’t understand this logic.

If you read his post as if the CEO of Intel wrote it, then it makes perfect sense and is quite humorous.

 

[JHillPhD]

It really is a bad time for M chip series. Apple keeps dwarfing the previous generation by huge margin as if the old chip means nothing. M4 Pro faster than M2 Ultra. Baseline M4 faster than M2 Pro, M4 Pro much faster than M3 Pro. I mean come on how do you think people with older M series Macs feel about that?

At this pace, next year baseline M5 chip could be faster than M4 Pro today. I do think some baby steps upgrade like NVidia GPU, or maybe iPhone A series chip feels much better for consumers as you don't feel much gutted when the next gen chip is launched.

Also the iteration update is way too fast, M3 series barely half a year old yet and M4 is already launched (on iPad Pro) and the M3 was getting punched real good. Like whoaaa, really?🤨

Exactly that's my biggest problem with Apple. There is no rhyme or reason for all these updates and refreshes just for another chip that's no more than 5% faster than the last one or two chips. They can do so much more, with giving us the choice to upgrade storage and ram but it's their own stuff and nothing 3rd party since a lot of stuff that are don't work well with Apple products anymore

 

[Newgoblin49]

There will be times when Apple M chip would closing its peak and stops giving huge performance boost annually, and I'd like to wait for that instead of buying the hype now and left being disappointed because Apple's chip being "too fast" year after year. That is the point of my argument from the beginning.

As a poster wrote above, iPhones at the early 2010 was exactly like Mac now. Huge performance gain, up to 2-3x faster by each iteration and it was a bad time to just keep buying newest shiniest iPhone knowing you will be left out with half the performance next year. Now iPhone is just a boring but predictable updates at which you can hold upgrades for a bit longer. You get my point?

Yes I'd like to wait for Mac to reach NVidia's RTX nowadays because to me it's a peace of mind about how much gains I can expect and how long before I need to upgrade.



In that paradise of yours, there's no point of selling $5K computer then. Just keep buying $500 to get fastest shiniest machine ever year.

I really don't understand why people can't grasp what you are saying.

You're basically saying that these chips are advancing so fast that, if you happened to spend 3000 dollars on a single chip now , It will likely be outdone by a chip that costs a 900$ in a year or two. with that goes the re sale value as well.

I think you also need to rephrase what you're saying and mention that it doesn't make sense to spend so much one of these chips when the resale value will exponentially decrease in single year.

it doesn't make financial sense

 

[AAPLGeek]

It really is a bad time for M chip series. Apple keeps dwarfing the previous generation by huge margin as if the old chip means nothing. M4 Pro faster than M2 Ultra. Baseline M4 faster than M2 Pro, M4 Pro much faster than M3 Pro. I mean come on how do you think people with older M series Macs feel about that?

At this pace, next year baseline M5 chip could be faster than M4 Pro today. I do think some baby steps upgrade like NVidia GPU, or maybe iPhone A series chip feels much better for consumers as you don't feel much gutted when the next gen chip is launched.

Also the iteration update is way too fast, M3 series barely half a year old yet and M4 is already launched (on iPad Pro) and the M3 was getting punched real good. Like whoaaa, really?🤨

Gutted? Really? These things are TOOLS, merely means to an end and people need to start seeing them as such.

Funny you quoted this in your signature and yet you've failed to internalize it.

The things you own end up owning you. It's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything

 

[iSayuSay]

I really don't understand why people can't grasp what you are saying.

You're basically saying that these chips are advancing so fast that, if you happened to spend 3000 dollars on a single chip now , It will likely be outdone by a chip that costs a 900$ in a year or two. with that goes the re sale value as well.

I think you also need to rephrase what you're saying and mention that it doesn't make sense to spend so much one of these chips when the resale value will exponentially decrease in single year.

it doesn't make financial sense

It’s exactly that, so thank you!! But again people can always say they can “buy whatever Mac they want, whenever they want because it suits their needs”. In that case, well it’s their money. I just wouldn’t put my money in a thing that changes so fast.

 

[iSayuSay]

Gutted? Really? These things are TOOLS, merely means to an end and people need to start seeing them as such.

Funny you quoted this in your signature and yet you've failed to internalize it.

The things you own end up owning you. It's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything

I can also say as AAPL geek, you failed to internalize how buying an expensive tool, like a fully maxxed out Mac computer, only to get nerfed by a baseline, rapidly changing Mac a year later, is a good investment? 😊

 

[JHillPhD]

I really don't understand why people can't grasp what you are saying.

You're basically saying that these chips are advancing so fast that, if you happened to spend 3000 dollars on a single chip now , It will likely be outdone by a chip that costs a 900$ in a year or two. with that goes the re sale value as well.

I think you also need to rephrase what you're saying and mention that it doesn't make sense to spend so much one of these chips when the resale value will exponentially decrease in single year.

it doesn't make financial sense

Yep I agree. Once you set your eyes on a device, here comes word of something else coming out leaving you undecided on what to get. You would think that they would have a better release schedule where all of their devices will have the same chipset in them instead of some having the M2 when M4 drops. The M2 Mac mini hasn't been out a year and here we are with an M4

 

[AAPLGeek]

I can also say as AAPL geek, you failed to internalize how buying expensive tool, like a fully maxxed out only to get nerfed next year by a baseline, rapidly changing Mac is a good investment? 😊

It's a good "investment" if you're making money off it. Getting nerfed by future releases is irrelevant.

 

[Newgoblin49]

It’s exactly that, so thank you!! But again people can always say they can “buy whatever Mac they want, whenever they want because it suits their needs”. In that case, well it’s their money. I just wouldn’t put my money in a thing that changes so fast.

Exactly right.

I was planning on buying the M4 Pro Mac Mini. Even though I don't need that power right now and I would probably need some of it in 2 or 3 years.

Then I thought, why should I spend so much on this device now when it will be weaker than the base level device by the time I actually need the power. That base device will cost significantly lesser than the M4 Pro and it will pack even more features than the M4 Pro.

Genuinely doesn't make any sense. since the resale value of the M4 Pro will take a huge beating once a base level device can run circles around it

 

[iSayuSay]

What are you using your Mac for?

I always say if you need a computer now, buy something that suits your needs plus a little extra power for longevity. If you can wait until a new machine is released, do that!

Currently I'm on PC for Premiere and Photoshop for work, also for gaming on my free time, which is why I love the flexibility of being top of the line, at least for a while.

That's the problem, there's no such thing as "longevity" on these recent Macs when Apple practically bashing the last gen M chip by a huge margin, year over year. Just keep buying the newest baseline Mac because it'll be faster than last gen M Pro chip, which may only got out 6 months earlier (i,e M3 Pro chip vs. baseline M4). I hope you get the idea.

 

[JHillPhD]

It's a good "investment" if you're making money off it. Getting nerfed by future releases is irrelevant.

Even if you are making good money, it's not a good investment to keep buying a new one for the sake of a chip change with no drastic changes on a unified system. You can't really even sell benchmarks numbers because you won't see too much of a difference in performance. I saw a jump in performance from my 2017 MacBook Pro to the M2 pro Mac mini, however it lacked with GPU performance since there are no real GPUs inside of these machines now

 

[viltsu]

Can anyone say how this GPU in M4 Pro compares to like 4060?

 

[Newgoblin49]

@iSayuSay Don't be discouraged listening to what others have to say , your reasoning is sound enough.

The perspective of the rest over here is that Apple should always push the bleeding edge regardless, which is also right in their own way. But as a consumer that means your devices net worth reduces at an exponential rate.

Spending 4,000$ on a Machine for it to be worth less than 1000$ in 2 years or so is ridiculous

 

[obviouslogic]

Because it creates confusion as when should I buy a Mac? Imagine spending $4000 for the most expensive, fully maxxed out dream setup Mac and just a year later Apple can squeeze the same performance on a base line Mac Mini?

How is it confusing? You buy what you need when you need it? If you’re concerned about what comes out next, you’ll NEVER buy a new computer, because there’s always something newer around the corner.

 

[szw-mapple fan]

It really is a bad time for M chip series. Apple keeps dwarfing the previous generation by huge margin as if the old chip means nothing. M4 Pro faster than M2 Ultra. Baseline M4 faster than M2 Pro, M4 Pro much faster than M3 Pro. I mean come on how do you think people with older M series Macs feel about that?

At this pace, next year baseline M5 chip could be faster than M4 Pro today. I do think some baby steps upgrade like NVidia GPU, or maybe iPhone A series chip feels much better for consumers as you don't feel much gutted when the next gen chip is launched.

Also the iteration update is way too fast, M3 series barely half a year old yet and M4 is already launched (on iPad Pro) and the M3 was getting punched real good. Like whoaaa, really?🤨

As someone with an older M chip, I’m perfectly satisfied with the performance it gives and I’m excited about the huge additional performance boost for when I upgrade in a few years. My current MBP didn’t become slower this week just because the M4 MacBooks was released. These performance boosts also makes the previous generations a lot cheaper for people who would be perfectly happy with the performance on the M2 or M3.

 

[JHillPhD]

@iSayuSay Don't be discouraged listening to what others have to say , your reasoning is sound enough.

The perspective of the rest over here is that Apple should always push the bleeding edge regardless, which is also right in their own way. But as a consumer that means your devices net worth reduces at an exponential rate.

Spending 4,000$ on a Machine for it to be worth less than 1000$ in 2 years or so is ridiculous

Mac devices are dropping in value like cars the minute you drive them off the lot. Trying to trade them in is worst as the value drops even more than it does if you were to sell it on the street. The way Apple has each device registered to our Apple ID's now, damn near makes it impossible to sell them because it might ask you for the old owners credentials to claim that device. At least that's how it was during the pandemic not sure about now though.

 

[JHillPhD]

As someone with an older M chip, I’m perfectly satisfied with the performance it gives and I’m excited about the huge additional performance boost for when I upgrade in a few years. My current MBP didn’t become slower this week just because the M4 MacBooks was released. These performance boosts also makes the previous generations a lot cheaper for people who would be perfectly happy with the performance on the M2 or M3.

I'm definitely riding with this M2 pro Mac mini right now. It's barely about to be a year old since they released in January of 2023

 

[szw-mapple fan]

Because it creates confusion as when should I buy a Mac? Imagine spending $4000 for the most expensive, fully maxxed out dream setup Mac and just a year later Apple can squeeze the same performance on a base line Mac Mini?

Most people who are spending $4k on a computer are buying it for the performance that they use for their work, not bragging rights. In most cases having that performance a year early more than make it worth it as a financial calculation since they’re going to take full advantage of that performance.

 

[JHillPhD]

Most people who are spending $4k on a computer are buying it for the performance that they use for their work, not bragging rights. In most cases having that performance a year early more than make it worth it as a financial calculation since they’re going to take full advantage of that performance.

If I could, I would rather spend 4K on a custom built PC at least I can upgrade and swap out stuff lol

 

[iSayuSay]

Most people who are spending $4k on a computer are buying it for the performance that they use for their work, not bragging rights. In most cases having that performance a year early more than make it worth it as a financial calculation since they’re going to take full advantage of that performance.

Well I'm not used to that concept. If I buy a top-of-the-line machine, I'd expect it to stay that way at least for a while. Not for bragging rights, but knowing that I can enjoy my purchase and use it for my edits and renders faster than most people.

As I said earlier, if I buy an RTX 4090, I'd expect it being a top 1%, I can play games at 4K on ultra settings, and being untouchable for a bit longer. Surely I KNOW it can't stay that way forever, someday the 5090 will dethrone my card. But just long enough as I can rely on my top-of-the-line GPU.

 

[szw-mapple fan]

@iSayuSay Don't be discouraged listening to what others have to say , your reasoning is sound enough.

The perspective of the rest over here is that Apple should always push the bleeding edge regardless, which is also right in their own way. But as a consumer that means your devices net worth reduces at an exponential rate.

Spending 4,000$ on a Machine for it to be worth less than 1000$ in 2 years or so is ridiculous

A computer is a tool, not an investment. People are spending money on the higher end Macs either because they need the performance or they want machine longevity. If you’re in the former camp that $3000 lost over 2 years is usually more than made up for by your higher productivity through early access to the faster performance. If you’re the latter you’re likely going to be happy using that machine for 5-10 years, by which time the resale value will come down to around $300-500 regardless.

 

[obviouslogic]

This year’s max is bad. The CPU is almost the same as the Pro, like how M1 and M2 were

The M3 Max was the anomally, performance wise, because they never intended to release an M3 Ultra. The M4 Max is back to ”normal”, insomuch that it’s more about GPU performance gains.

The M4 Ultra will jump over the CPU performance gap by having 20/24 CPU cores. Also, thinking they’re ditching the 2xMax scheme they initially used and this next Ultra will be a wholly unique design. (and still think, we’ll see an M4 Extreme in the Mac Pro next summer 28/32 CPU cores)

 

[codemaster1010]

Imagine waiting 40 years to buy a Mac because the original cost $2,495 and had "only" 128k of memory. At least everyone got 8gb base for years. What is the problem?