Looks increasingly likely that a M5 device will make an appearance at WWDC. With MacBook Air launching in the next few weeks with M4, it is possible to see an iPad Pro with M5 at WWDC. Initial volumes required for an iPad Pro will be less too.
If you do heavy machine learning training, the power is never enough. True that, if you need *a lot* of power for ML, you'd probably better rent some cloud resources.I applaud Apple and TSMC for continuing to innovate and make faster and more efficient chipsets but man I do wonder... How much power does someone really need? I don't do anything hardcore on my Macs and I still think the M1 and M2 Airs I have are still plenty fast for anything I'll ever do with them. The leaps and bounds in performance they've made since then have left mine in the dust and I just don't feel like playing catch up anymore lol.
LLMs are asymmetric. Local inferencing is possible now with decent sized models that are "open source". Open sourcing made this possible, btw OpenAI never was open. On the other hand, LLM training at a decent scale was never possible and will never be. Cost of Nvidia H800 is estimated at $2/hr and you need millions of hours.If you do heavy machine learning training, the power is never enough. True that, if you need *a lot* of power for ML, you'd probably better rent some cloud resources.
m5 base ipad pro = october of 2025.This doesn’t seem to make sense
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For those (several now) who are completely missing my point. It is that if production has started, the first device with M5 will not be released at the end of NEXT year. That’s what doesn’t make sense.
Destroying the Mac? How? In the most recent quarter Mac revenue was up 15% at $9b. Maybe the Pros you describe are finding they can do their work with one of the current lineup.I thought this was the whole point of dropping Intel? This just shows Apple has been full of it since the beginning. Simply blaming Intel's product map for lack of updates to their pro line is just ridiculous at this point. They are destroying their Mac lineup. Lack of pros leads to decline of the Mac environment leads to lack of pros using it leads to lack of pro applications leads to Macs ultimately just getting downgraded to just a Macbook Air.
Agreed. They really abandoned the studio.
I explained it….ignoring pro users has a cascade effect. I literally stated this in the post.!
Destroying the Mac? How? In the most recent quarter Mac revenue was up 15% at $9b. Maybe the Pros you describe are finding they can do their work with one of the current lineup.
Waiting for M1! lol ... to it becomes sub $200I'm waiting for M6!
I think this is probably correct. An Ultra cost a lot of resources to produce relative to the low sales, so to amortize the development, they have to keep people buying it for longer until development costs are recovered and that justifies the next version. Doesn't have to be a cash cow like an iPhone, but don't dig a financial hole with the Ultras.Not abandoned. Not sure who thought Apple would upgrade the Ultra variant as often as everything else. Due to low sales volumes, it’s a very costly SoC to produce, so expecting a turn around like the other SoC variants isn’t realistic.
News flash: next year will be 2026m5 base ipad pro = october of 2025.
m5 pro/max mac book pro , end 2025 makes more sense
Gaming.I applaud Apple and TSMC for continuing to innovate and make faster and more efficient chipsets but man I do wonder... How much power does someone really need? I don't do anything hardcore on my Macs and I still think the M1 and M2 Airs I have are still plenty fast for anything I'll ever do with them. The leaps and bounds in performance they've made since then have left mine in the dust and I just don't feel like playing catch up anymore lol.
Same here. My M1 Pro still doesn’t feel slow in anyway so I may hold off until the actual laptop design gets a refresh.This is the first one I’m interested in upgrading to from my M1 Pro MBP. Considering how fast the M4 (Mac Mini) is compared to the M1 Pro, an M5 Pro should be a significant upgrade. But I'm also not in a rush to upgrade so I might wait another year for the M6.
I’m more looking forward to a TB5 Pro Display XDR with Pro Motion (120hz+) than a TB5 Studio Display.Bring M6 for Mac mini and Mac Studio, as well as brand new Apple 27-inch display with Thunderbolt 5 and USB5 when released.
I bet Apple didn't have a 5K OLED panel available at that time. Maybe one is available now. If so, I bet the price increase will be beyond reach for many people. If there is a big price increase, well, you already have the 6K Apple Display. The Apple Studio Display seems to sell well. I know plenty of people who have one or two. (I don't have one. I have a Samsung optimized for screen area.)The Studio Display the most mediocre prosumer product they sell—if it can even be called not not having HDR support majority of key creative professionals want to produce and create their work that Apple supports.
It’s incompatible and not on par with the rendering capabilities of any of Apple’s prosumer products with a screen:
The Studio Display’s screen is inadequate to render correctly all the HDR content that the iPhone Pro, iPad Pro, Macbook Pro, and the Vision Pro can.
It doesn’t have 1000 sustained nits nor 1600 peak nits to be on par with your use of any of such devices either making it an indefinite mismatch using such devices and expect consistent screen performance and output.
How strong is the market demand for such a product? It seems just lately there are a couple more 6K 32" displays on the horizon; to get Thunderbolt 5 AND 120-Hz refresh rate sounds like a long shot expectation, and the XDR is already very expensive (at least from the mainstream consumer standpoint).I’m more looking forward to a TB5 Pro Display XDR with Pro Motion (120hz+) than a TB5 Studio Display.
I'm a consumer and don't produce content, so I'm curious about this. When I was monitor shopping late last year, reviews of IPS panel-based displays downplayed HDR as basically something that had mild effect on those displays as a class.The Studio Display the most mediocre prosumer product they sell—if it can even be called not not having HDR support majority of key creative professionals want to produce and create their work that Apple supports.
The Studio Display’s screen is inadequate to render correctly all the HDR content that the iPhone Pro, iPad Pro, Macbook Pro, and the Vision Pro can.
Ironically the ASD's 600 nits is brighter than many competing displays in terms of max. brightness.It doesn’t have 1000 sustained nits nor 1600 peak nits to be on par with your use of any of such devices either making it an indefinite mismatch using such devices and expect consistent screen performance and output.
MiniLED is the alternate technology to OLED even competitors as well as Apple used on the current Pro Display XDR to even offer the same peak nits AND sustained nits along with more open and standardized means of tweaked the color calibration—built in colorimeter such as Asus Pro Art series.How strong is the market demand for such a product? It seems just lately there are a couple more 6K 32" displays on the horizon; to get Thunderbolt 5 AND 120-Hz refresh rate sounds like a long shot expectation, and the XDR is already very expensive (at least from the mainstream consumer standpoint).
I'm a consumer and don't produce content, so I'm curious about this. When I was monitor shopping late last year, reviews of IPS panel-based displays downplayed HDR as basically something that had mild effect on those displays as a class.
I was under the impression if you really want HDR, you go VA panel (lousy viewing angle breadth) or OLED.
Is there an IPS-based display you think is strong on HDR of a brand the mainstream public is likely familiar with?
Ironically the ASD's 600 nits is brighter than many competing displays in terms of max. brightness.
For people with the use case scenario you have in mind, what are they using for displays today?
That's true. Even with a top end M4 Max with 128G RAM, the shader benchmark is not smooth at all.Interesting. Somebody had me run a volume shader benchmark on my M4 Mac mini and it was very, very slow.
It performs much better on Windows with the 4070.
I guess the Blender stuff you do is less dependent upon GPU?
Nitpick, but the Pro Display XDR is technically not mini-LED.MiniLED is the alternate technology to OLED even competitors as well as Apple used on the current Pro Display XDR to even offer the same peak nits AND sustained nits along with more open and standardized means of tweaked the color calibration—built in colorimeter such as Asus Pro Art series.
…How it isn’t to you considering the make up of the panel and the amount of zones aligning with it being so?Nitpick, but the Pro Display XDR is technically not mini-LED.
The Pro Display XDR is a FALD display, not mini-LED, as there are an insufficient number of zones to make it mini-LED. All mini-LED is FALD, but not all FALD is mini-LED.…How it isn’t to you considering the make up of the panel and the amount of zones aligning with it being so?
…Mini-LED IS by definition known to be a Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) panel though.The Pro Display XDR is a FALD display, not mini-LED, as there are an insufficient number of zones to make it mini-LED. All mini-LED is FALD, but not all FALD is mini-LED.
The number of zones in the Pro Display XDR is measured in the hundreds, but it is measured in the thousands for the MacBook Pro, despite the screen of the MacBook Pro being many times smaller.
The introduction of mini-LED launched displays like the TCL 8-series which had tens of thousands of LEDs in about 1000 zones, and this thousand(s) of dimming zones became one of the defining features of mini-LED.…Mini-LED IS by definition known to be a Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) panel though.
The amount of zones is an implementation detail that makes them distinct than traditional panels.
I have no idea where you're going with this. Tandem OLED means 2 or more OLEDs stacked. In Apple products this only exists in the iPad Pro. Better tandem OLED in the future will also be tandem OLED, but better.Is it a similar situation where monitor pundits believe “tandem OLED” lost its meaning with far more advanced tandem implements than before?