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I'll give my verdict after people receive their new Macs and run performance test over a variety of games at different settings.
The m5 will be faster but I will no longer believe anything that Apple marketing claims.
Let’s hope Andrew Tsai and MrMacRight don’t take so many ………………….long………………………….pauses.
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Nvidia don't sell a PC part that is lower because it not economical for them to compete against integrated solutions that come with the CPUs found in such PCs not because those integrated solutions don't exist or gamers never use them. Again, Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm all sell such solutions at a variety of price points (with the first two making up almost all of them).
From what I can tell from steam hardware surveys that's about 10% of the market though naturally they don't necessarily represent the bottom 10% of performance since some people are rocking extremely old discrete graphics cards.
Basically, you guys keep misusing the word "low end".
Of course not?
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I have, in the past, argued that you can game on iGPU if you are willing to compromise. But that argument becomes subjective as everyone has a different threshold for playability. Your average casual gamer is probably not going to care that CP2077 plays at 15-20 FPS on low at sub 1080p resolutions. That gamer also isn’t buying a Mac to explicitly game either, it is a happy side effect (at least that is my assumption which may be faulty).Nvidia don't sell a PC part that is lower because it not economical for them to compete against integrated solutions that come with the CPUs found in such PCs not because those integrated solutions don't exist or gamers never use them. Again, Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm all sell such solutions at a variety of price points (with the first two making up almost all of them).
From what I can tell from steam hardware surveys that's about 10% of the market though naturally they don't necessarily represent the bottom 10% of performance since some people are rocking extremely old discrete graphics cards.
Basically, you guys keep misusing the word "low end".
Of course not?
The folks that want a better experience are probably not looking at x86 iGPUs as the baseline. So folks jump immediately to the xx50 tier (or the same tier for AMD) as a minimum.
Based on what we know the M5 is a decent entry level (is this better than low end?) offering. I guess with every year since 2021 being touted as the year of macOS gaming I have become jaded. Maybe I would be more excited if I were new.
I can understand being jaded at the "year of macOS gaming", I stopped being optimistic 15 years ago
. I always believe in tempering expectations and if change happens, it occurs slowly (until it's quick). Apple, seems to be intent on building Macs than can game rather than gaming Macs. Which is fine, that's their business model. But that means if all you are interested in is GPU performance, naturally Macs aren't going to be great value relative to a gaming PC. That hasn't changed and likely won't for foreseeable future. I would argue that Macs are have good value (a few models even have great value) when compared to PCs with similar specs across the board, but that's a different argument.However, the base M5, in terms of its profile, is comparable to the integrated solutions from AMD, Intel, Qualcomm. It should fundamentally not be able to get anywhere close to a 5050 based on their respective sizes/power draws and it isn't design to. That's what the Pro-level GPU is for (and even they are pretty small) and, given these results, for the first time, Apple might actually have GPUs that compete here (maybe - gaming uplift will be closer to the 45% increase Apple talks about and the gaming performance has a lot further to go than Blender).
I came to the conclusion that I would need a Max powered MBP for it to be reasonable for gaming, however I'm simply not willing to spend over $4000 for a notebook just so it has a level of gaming capability. My current M1 MBP does all I need it to; my new gaming notebook has more performance than anything Apple currently produces.
Bottom line is once you're playing a game or using an application for that matter the focus is what's on the screen not the underlying OS. If Windows was problematic, it would be a different matter. I don't care for the data collection, equally that can be stopped, and all the providers do it.
Mac's are unlikely to be favoured for gaming due the high pricing and game studios want their games to appeal to the widest audience.
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Completely understandable, in my case, getting the M4 Max Studio made more sense financially, as I have limited mobility needs. A few years ago, that wasn't the case, but today I mostly work at my desk, and don't need to travel.
Hopefully Oliver at Digital Foundry will take a look too.
Only a week left until we start to see the real world performance.
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