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From the MacWorld video:
https://www.macworld.com/article/3318501/macs/799-mac-mini-review.html

If I had to guess, the mini wouldn't pass some country(yes) RF emissions standards without the cage; so Apple had to add it at the last minute. Apple didn't incur that extra cost without needing to do it. I have seen similar "cages" in several pieces of electronic equipment in my life. Always for keeping RF in (or out).

Fan shroud? It's there for the same reason you have a similar sort of thing on your car's cooling fan. It helps direct the airflow and make the fan more efficient. It probably also keeps fingers out of the fan blades when people get too curious...
 
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I think it's called choices - and we don't have one. We get all the CPU, and none of the GPU. I would go for Iris Plus in a heartbeat (eGPU is definitely not viable, I get that), offer it as an upgrade option. Just because YOU are happy doesn't mean that everyone is.

But you do have a choice...you can go buy or assemble yourself a PC pretty much however you want, depending on how much cash you have on hand. To paraphrase Queen, "If you want it all and you want it now" Apple is going to frustrate you to no end.

While an Iris Plus GT3e iGPU is definitely better than the UHD630, it would have pleased very few and would have limited the mini's CPU to a 28w U-Series, which would have added at least another $100-$150 to the cost of the Mac mini because those CPUs cost quite a bit more than the i3-8100B ($117), i5-8500B ($192.00) and i7-8700B ($303.00).

A Core i5-8259U has no price listed, the Core i5-8269U is $320.00, a Core i7-8559U is $431.00. Apple is not going to eat a ~$130.00 price difference for a 4-core max laptop CPU when they can put in cheaper, more capable desktop CPUs that can sustain higher performance over a longer period of time at a lower cost use to give us an Iris GT3e GPU. If they did, I would be highly ticked off. It just makes no sense. Imagine the $799 model costing $949 or $999 w/ 8GB/128GB SSD...that would have ticked off everyone even more and Apple would not have been able to offer 6-cores as a BTO option

Offering even one of the 28w U-Series as an upgrade option also makes no sense as who exactly is going to pay more for a "weak sauce" 28w 4c/8t Core i5-8269U w/Iris Plus when than they can have a 65w 6c/6t Core i5 w/UHD630 Graphics.

Please tell me why an eGPU is not viable? Because you are only getting x4 PCIe lanes of bandwidth instead of the full x16 that runs off the CPU? Well, you are not getting that from a 6-core Core i7-8750H, 8850H or Core i9 8950HK in those expensive 15" MacBook Pros either. The same would go for the mini, you would be getting x8 PCIe lanes for the dGPU, which would have most likely been the Radeon Pro 555X, maybe the 560X. Ugh...waste of money and engineering time.

If Apple had gone with the Kaby Lake-G, the Vega GPU gets x8 lanes, although it is on die with HBM memory and despite it having an 8 in its naming, it's still a Kaby Lake CPU with only 4-cores/8-threads. Apple would still be able to offer four Thunderbolt 3 ports, using the remaining x8 lanes available off of the Kaby Lake-G, but then that would indicate that the SSD would need to run through the Intel PCH. I suspect Apple found it unsatisfying to them performance wise. Or maybe it prevented them from using the T2 chip.

I readily admit that not everyone is going to be happy with what Apple chose, but it is what it is. Learn to love it, or leave it, unfortunately.
 
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There is no Iris Pro graphics option in any 8th generation 6-core i7:

https://ark.intel.com/products/series/122593/8th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors

There is one 4-core with Iris Pro and several 4-cores that of course have the RX Vega M.

Your anger would be better directed at Intel for resting on their laurels for so long. If they were at 10nm they would have more power budget for GPU.

It's not even really fair to blame Apple for not putting a separate dGPU in the new Mini considering the power budget of a decent (say GTX 1050Ti) GPU is more than the 6-core CPU!

Considering the 2011 Mac mini had a dGUP option... I think that invalidates your argument.
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In that case it would be considered a capital expense and the computer itself would be considered a capital asset. Still not an investment in that sense as it's an asset that is understood to lose value over time and depreciate.

Right. Thus writing 'investment' because it's basically a modification of the word usage. I fully agree with you.
 
Everyone having a tizzy about being able to swap out the standard 8GB of RAM with 16GB on their own because they'll be damned if they'll pay the "Apple tax" haven't priced out memory.

Buying 16GB (2x8) DIMMS somewhere else, then going to all the trouble to take apart the mini to install it yourself — all to save $30 is rediculous.

If you want 32GB or 64GB, well then you could save some good money. But 16? Not worth thinking about.

It's also ridiculously privileged of you to think that saving $30 is ridiculous, not value or good financial sense. Waste it if you want.

For many, spending the extra $30 is well worth it to not risk damaging the Mac while opening it up and/or procuring the correct tools.
 
To save others from wasting five mins of their lives watching this. The info is:

15W at idle
50W for i7 model doing heavy lifting.

Skip to 4:20 to hear this info. There is no slide.
Didn't Intel list the processor as a 65W unit at base frequency?

Did he actually push the system?
 
Not unless the MacBook has a 65W CPU.


In multi-core, yes.



Well, the graphics is irrelevant. The CPU is 1 generation behind.

For me, graphics is not irrelevant. Gaming performance is one aspect, but it also powers a lot of computing and ML/AI tasks these days.
 
Because you are on win 10 with office 16. I’m on win 7 with office 10. I can’t afford a subscription to office and I refuse to use win 10 due to forced upgrades.
Okay, that is what is really confusing to me, you will intentionally suffer with a crappy experience over a $65 dollar subscription to office 2016 but have 0 problem throwing down 1k or more for a Mac mini? Also win10 isn't that bad, either are the updates, btw some of the updates on win10 provide some pretty cool features.
 
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I did get Windows but I transferred over the license from an old PC (which still used Windows 10 Pro)
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Here is someone with the same Mac rendering out 4K video and the temps go up to 95 degrees! Anything over 85 affects performance. Export a 4K video, time it and then do the same thing again and see the temps and compare the time. It will be slower

And still no data. Do you know what data is?
 
Mine delivers 11/13 to my local Apple Store. I’d rather have the last Intel based mini than the first of the A-series Macs.

I also never buy the first model year of a car :rolleyes:
 
The way I see this MacMini is an Apple Authorized Motherboard (with a bunch of soldered on components). It has exactly two functions. Run and compile X-Code. Test the lowest end of Mac software ports. Any other tasks are better handed off to a Windows or Linux machine these days.

Unfortunately Apple failed in two regards. Soldered in CPU and even more repugnant, the SSD buried behind the T2 chip and not customer replaceable/upgrade-able. Which means that anything major is going to have to be stored and run from an external box. Leaving the internal ONLY for critical system files.

While External GPUs aren't ideal in a desktop, no Mac is ever going to be ideal for "gaming". But at least eGPUs are better than soldered in GPUs. And also better from a thermal standpoint since Apple cannot be trusted to actually design an adequate thermal system, so the expensive GPUs will have a longer life in an external enclosure which can be built with sufficient cooling. Another minor upside of the eGPU route is sharing a box between a WindowsBox and the Mini if you're pricing out a multi-platform development environment.

What is really unfortunate is the entry price. $800 USD pushes this almost to the wrong side for someone just getting into Mac/iOS development.

I want to see the tear-down, and see what else is possibly wrong with the MacMini. Such as any thermal issues and power flow to the CPU. Especially for the prices being asked. However I can't be pre-enthused given Apple's prior issues. The only saving grace is they didn't futz with the overall chassis design, and shoved in a massive out duct fan, which should make things okay enough.
 
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Considering one can spec a mini into the stratosphere, cost couldn’t have been too much of an issue with Apple or its customers. The Vega option didn’t need to be the default, but it would have certainly been an awesome option. I know it would have given me pause.
Most optimal Mac mini config:

i7 CPU

8GB RAM (Upgraded to whatever you want, aftermarket)

128 GB SSD (upgraded with whatever external Drive you want for CHEEEEEP!)

Blackmagic eGPU PRO (Vega 56 with 8 GB HBM2 RAM)

That config would be:

$1099 for the Mac mini

$1199 for the eqpu Pro

That is only $2300 for nearly an iMac PRO System!

Sorry. I'm not seeing the problem here. This is a DESKTOP system. You don't HAVE to have all that stuff INTERNAL anymore...

Embrace the Thunderbolt!
 
I am curious about the total TB 3 bandwidth. Will all of it be available or not? I think this is something we can't answer until someone verifies.
40 Gb/sec * 2 = 80 Gb/sec. Just like the 4-port MBP and iMac Pro.

Each 2 TB ports share a 40 Gb/s bus. That's how Intel's current TB controllers work.
 
4 years and they couldn't change the intrinsic form factor ????

The mini 'shape' was based on the cd/dvd form , things have moved on

NOT impressed

This IS the iTunes gen after all !!!???
 
No computer is an investment. It's a good that will lose value with time. That's not an investment and should NEVER be thought of as such. You'd be an idiot to invest in something that is recognized to depreciate quickly with time.

One MIGHT argue that a historic computer like the Apple I could be seen as an investment but even then any decent investor would remind them that it's a very poor way to invest your money and the return isn't anywhere near as certain as traditional investments.

Please don't tell others a computer is an investment. It most certainly is not.

a computer (apple's or otherwise) is an investment if you're going to get money for what you do with it. If it's your job, and your business, and a particular computer gives you productivity gains that help you make more, then it's an investment.

If you're a hobbyist, and your computer isn't for doing things that make money, then yes, it's a luxury.
 
The way I see this MacMini is an Apple Authorized Motherboard (with a bunch of soldered on components). It has exactly two functions. Run and compile X-Code. Test the lowest end of Mac software ports. Any other tasks are better handed off to a
Windows or Linux machine these days.
You have no "vision".

Unfortunately Apple failed in two regards. Soldered in CPU and even more repugnant, the SSD buried behind the T2 chip and not customer replaceable/upgrade-able. Which means that anything major is going to have to be stored and run from an external box. Leaving the internal ONLY for critical system files.
Which is EXACTLY what you want when you have FOUR TB 3 ports.

Again, no vision.

Apple cannot be trusted to actually design an adequate thermal system
Looks like they did a hangup job this time, as you noted with their "massive duct fan".

Howabout you wait until there are REAL benchmarks, before dismissing Apple's design prowess?
 
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Most optimal Mac mini config:

i7 CPU

8GB RAM (Upgraded to whatever you want, aftermarket)

128 GB SSD (upgraded with whatever external Drive you want for CHEEEEEP!)

Blackmagic eGPU PRO (Vega 56 with 8 GB HBM2 RAM)

That config would be:

$1099 for the Mac mini

$1199 for the eqpu Pro

That is only $2300 for nearly an iMac PRO System!

Sorry. I'm not seeing the problem here. This is a DESKTOP system. You don't HAVE to have all that stuff INTERNAL anymore...

Embrace the Thunderbolt!
Why would anyone want all those externals? Seems most would want a neat clean and organized work area not one full of drives and cables.
Why doesn't Apple just let people choose what config they want for themselves without all the aftermarket add ons.
 
Why doesn't Apple just let people choose what config they want for themselves without all the aftermarket add ons.

In some ways, using external expansion is the ultimate form of "let people choose what they want".

But, one last time, let's try your preferred approach.

So how many drive bays should apple allow in their Mac Mini? How many is enough for you? What if I want more? What if someone else wants even more?

How big should the Mac Mini get, with empty drive bays waiting to be filled?
 
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a computer (apple's or otherwise) is an investment if you're going to get money for what you do with it. If it's your job, and your business, and a particular computer gives you productivity gains that help you make more, then it's an investment.

If you're a hobbyist, and your computer isn't for doing things that make money, then yes, it's a luxury.

If it's for a business it's considered a capital expense and the computer itself is considered a capital asset. While these are a type of investment, they're recognized as a depreciating asset so no one considers them an investment outright, as they're expected to lose money. In any case, from a financial and purchasing perspective, a computer is never seen as an investment in the pure term.
 
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And you actually believe this little box and its crippled CPU can support those bandwidths on the ports?

Yes. We do actually believe it, because it’s not crippled. Apple aren’t perfect by any stretch, but your comment shows just how much you don’t understand Apple, what they do, and how well they do it. You’re focused on specs and comparing numbers against junk PCs and completely misunderstand the engineering and experience.
 
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