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It says something to me as well. Those Mac's were in dire need of some TLC :p J/K
But no, in all seriousness, we know that computers aren't 'supposed' to fail. But sometimes they just do. And from the looks of the latest independent reliability polls, it sounds like you got one of the few 'lemons' that managed to scrape through.

The more recent ones were most definitely they were lemons. The unfortunate part was Apple's refusal to admit that there was anything wrong with them and repair them. Sure, they finally did admit that some of the machines had some of the issues I had. And, they eventually agreed to fix some of them. But, after so many months of fighting with them over a dead computer, I finally gave up on the junk and got rid of it. Then, of course several months later they admit that there was an issue and decide to repair it for some machines (if it were in the right serial number range).

I later purchased a replacement system, but it was also in the shop constantly. So, I eventually sold it to someone else at a huge loss when they quit fixing it. The problem is that Apple directly was of no help. And, the local service center had so many machines in the shop to fix that he told me I would have to get back to him in a couple months and see if he was able to take it in then. Obviously, that doesn't do anything useful for the customer.

So, I sold the machine. And, went back to using a PC for a while. That $400 PC is still chugging along just fine. Never had an issue with it either.

It would be easier to dismiss the lemons from Apple (assuming that they were rare and all just came to me), if they would at least accept responsibility and fix or replace the machine in a reasonable timeframe. Shoving you to the side and denying service for a year, and then later admitting fault after the affected machines are already in a landfill is not great service.


As I said before, my Atari STFM still runs great. And so do most of my machines that I've gathered over the years. But none of the other machines I bought in the same price-bracket as the Mini have been reliable. And so far my Mini has. That says something to me... :)

I've no doubt that your Atari is still running strong. I would be willing to bet that even if your Mini lives a long and fruitful life, that the Atari will still outlive it.

I've had some good Macs as well. It just seems that I've had a lot of bad ones as well. They'd stand-out far less in my memory if Apple had been quick to resolve the problem instead of just trying to push me aside as much as they can.

At least there are independent shops to pick-up the slack. But, when they've picked-up all the slack, and have no room for additional repair order for the foreseeable future, that's not really great either. And, that kind of makes another statement about reliability.

We've finally gotten a second independent shop in my town though. So, perhaps between the two of them, they'll be able to keep up with the repairs out here (and this is a small town - very small).
 
I've no doubt that your Atari is still running strong. I would be willing to bet that even if your Mini lives a long and fruitful life, that the Atari will still outlive it.
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I'm pretty certain this stallion will keep on going long after I'm gone. (It might need a Floppy Drive replacement in a couple of decades though) :p

Can't see them scrapping the CD-ROM drive though (unless they start shipping OS X and their software on flash drives).
I hope the optical drive stays. It's not as though the Mini's take up a lot of space as they are!
 
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I'm pretty certain this stallion will keep on going long after I'm gone. (It might need a Floppy Drive replacement in a couple of decades though) :p


I hope the optical drive stays. It's not as though the Mini's take up a lot of space as they are!

I'm sure the Atari will last forever. You'll have to make sure and put it in your "Will" so that your kids or grand-kids can keep it until it's old enough to sell and retire. Just think, you could be paying the way for your great-grandkids to retire.

They'll sell it to a museum for a few billion in say 60 or 70 years.

Well, maybe it will have to go to their grandkids. But, either way, it will help someone retire someday if it's kept long enough :D

Yeah, for the mini, it's a bit premature to get rid of the only drive in the system. Sure, Apple led the way by killing the floppy early. But, there was a CD-ROM drive in there. With nothing but a hard-drive, it might be a deal breaker.
 
Speaking of not logically sound arguments, how can you say that the Mini is more expensive because it has different parts (i.e. laptop parts) and then argue that it is overpriced compared to PCs that use full-size desktop parts? Like it or not, the size is a big selling point for many of us, and there is nothing like the Mini anywhere. You are comparing Apples and oranges, so to speak: if the bottom line concerned nothing but a ratio between price and performance, the retail computer business would look a lot different than it does...

I don't see how that's illogical at all. Apple chooses to use parts that are more expensive. I'm saying they should just use desktop parts because laptop parts in a desktop are poor bang for the buck, and it would allow them to be much more competitive.

I AM comparing apples and oranges. But that is only because apple forces that comparison. Most people want a computer for functionality, not form. Apple only sells an "apple", since they don't offer an orange, that's all we have to compare. I'd love to be able to compare a budget normal sized apple desktop to the PC equivalent, but apple doesn't make one, they only have a model that has its price jacked up by miniaturization that doesn't interest many users in this potential market (desktop under $1000).

I'm not willing to make an assertion about what "most people" want because I don't know, and I don't think you know either. What I can say is that "most people" I've observed see a mini for the first time have been tickled and amazed by its size.

I don't doubt that the mini has cool factor. But do you really think most people want a small box if it means settling for worse specs, especially things like a tiny hard drive? Oohing and Aahing aren't the same as opening your wallet and buying one. If there really was big demand for a box that size, why don't more companies sell them, and more people buy them? And if you want to talk about out of the box functionality, a $599 box that can't even burn DVDs (a dvd burning drive is what, $30-40?) is just an embarrassment.

That obviously depends on what the switcher's needs are. Did I need a better GPU for my audio editing? No.

You obviously haven't run Logic 8 on a mini. Performance is generally fine, but screen redraws are just horrible. I would think the GPU would be fine, but apple is making higher and higher demands on non-graphics apps.

And I don't see how they could sell a mini/nano without an optical drive. You wouldn't be able to install any software from disks, or upgrade the OS. An aTV or micro laptop without one would make sense, but for a desktop, it would be pointless. That site doesn't even get the basics right, it says things like the "nano" moves the power supply external, when that's how the mini is already.
 
I AM comparing apples and oranges. But that is only because apple forces that comparison. Most people want a computer for functionality, not form. Apple only sells an "apple", since they don't offer an orange, that's all we have to compare. I'd love to be able to compare a budget normal sized apple desktop to the PC equivalent, but apple doesn't make one, they only have a model that has its price jacked up by miniaturization that doesn't interest many users in this potential market (desktop under $1000).

Exactly. That's a point most seem to miss.

If you are building a machine to draw switchers by enticing them with a low price, you had better throw some specs behind that low price.

An $800 machine with low specs doesn't exactly draw in herds of switchers.

But, an $800 machine comparable in specs to an $800 Windows desktop would draw in switchers.

Likewise, a $600 machine that meets or exceeds the best performance you'd get on a $600 HP or Compaq would also help.

But, with Apple, $600 gets you a small and attractive machine that has low specs to offer for a higher price than a comparably priced desktop PC.

Sure, the desktop PC is bigger. But, if I can get a 7200 R.P.M. hard drive, a faster CPU, a dedicated graphics processor, DVD-Writer, and so on for $400 to $600 from HP or Compaq, I'm sure not going to spend that much on a Mini with none of that.

Sure, you can get a DVD-Writer in the $800 mini. But, you still get a slow and small 5400 R.P.M. hard drive, no GPU, and so on.

For the mini to really be competitive, it needs to be comparable to an entry level iMac without a built-in screen. Keep the Mini in the $600 to $800 range. But, sell it without the screen. Let the built-in screen be the difference between the iMac and the Mini. That would be plenty to distinguish the computers.
 
That's what I thought, but here's where I saw it.
There's a pic of an Apple TV and Mac Mini underneath just for comparison's sake.
Things aren't looking good :(

All they have to do is get rid of the keyboard and monitor and it will be really small. Ditch the airport too. Then you'll have no I/O at all, but it will be sleek.

I really hope they aren't stupid enough to not put a DVD in it.
 
If the Mini's going to suceed, it needs to prove that you're not losing anything just because it's so much smaller than your old Winbox tower, I know when I first saw it my immediate reaction was that it must be horribly slow.
Now it may be using outdated hardware, but that's not the case.
Get that Windoze user's attention, slap him in the face and say look at me, I'm 1/4 of the size of your old computer but I'm just as good.
 
All they have to do is get rid of the keyboard and monitor and it will be really small. Ditch the airport too. Then you'll have no I/O at all, but it will be sleek.

I really hope they aren't stupid enough to not put a DVD in it.

Well, you know, if they got rid of the hard drive, DVD-ROM drive, and the CPU and RAM, it could be the size of an iPod Shuffle. :D
 
That's what I thought, but here's where I saw it.
There's a pic of an Apple TV and Mac Mini underneath just for comparison's sake.
Things aren't looking good :(

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I'm sorry but that is useless.

1. It's a laptop without a screen and DVD drive for on-the-move people?
Except you're going to have to carry around a firewire DVD drive, cables, powerbrick, keyboard, mouse oh and a nice monitor too.

2. You're going to keep it at your desk and every time you see it you'll wonder why the hell you didn't just buy a macbook instead.

Do they really think there's a market for that? :eek:

And I've always found 1.8" HDD to be rather.. Well, it's not 3.5" put it that way.

Oh dear.. I hope that's a hoax.
 
I too hope that it's a hoax. It was the first story that came up when searching 'mac-nano' on google. I don't think I've seen too many releases of Macs that look anything like the mock-ups that are released, so I'm sure this will be another case. I mean, if it is supposed to be a switcher's machine and for audio and video as well, then why not let the said switcher watch his DVD's and listen to his CD's without the need of an external drive. Surely it's small enough already?
 
I mean, if it is supposed to be a switcher's machine and for audio and video as well, then why not let the said switcher watch his DVD's and listen to his CD's without the need of an external drive. Surely it's small enough already?

.. Actually what good is it like that?
Sync it to iTunes over a network or something..

Oh, hello there Apple TV.
 
.. Actually what good is it like that?
Sync it to iTunes over a network or something..

Oh, hello there Apple TV.
Yes. An Airport Express for airtunes would currently serve me as well as this lump of plastic that sits on our screens. To me it looks like somebody has just slapped a new top onto an Apple TV, so I'm not too worried. I think we could see a new Mini soon. Updated of course, still with optical drive, but maybe at a slightly lower price to attract a few more switchers across to the Light Side :cool:
 
Don't forget my "Macbook-but-with-dedicated-graphics-in-the-Macbook-Pro-casing-with-anodised-black-scheme-with-the-backlit-keyboard- -and-15.4"-model-but-the-macbook-tiles-with-magnetic-screen-latch-more-USB-ports-and-updated-hardware -for-the-same-price" notebook.

:eek: Yes please!
 
I believe you owned that many computers. I do not for a second believe you've never had one fail. That's beyond incredible. It's not believable in the least.

I agree that this seems highly improbable, to say the least; if you own enough different units of ANY technically complicated device a certain percentage of them are going to have problems...but no use arguing with someone on the internet about something like this, as definitive proof is out of the question. I did love my TI 99/4A though...:D

I too hope that it's a hoax. It was the first story that came up when searching 'mac-nano' on google. I don't think I've seen too many releases of Macs that look anything like the mock-ups that are released, so I'm sure this will be another case. I mean, if it is supposed to be a switcher's machine and for audio and video as well, then why not let the said switcher watch his DVD's and listen to his CD's without the need of an external drive. Surely it's small enough already?

Yeah, I call fraud too...even in my tiny space I don't need my mini to be any smaller. Besides, it's WAY too early to talk about abandoning optical drives in commercial PCs, especially those marketed on the strength of their multimedia applications.

And I love the way xyhd.tv reports this 'product' like it's completely normal that only they have the sole authentic picture of a landmark new PC from Apple, without once suggesting that it might be prudent to look into its authenticity. Good journalism.

Then again, didn't a guy get fired from the NYT recently for doing exactly that, only with much more important information?? but I digress...
 
I sincerely hope the Mini is not discontinued. I have persuaded my significant other to get a Mac and she likes the Mini for its small size. If it's replaced with a Mac Nano all the better though! She's going to order this weekend so as to get Leopard.
 
Seems as if 'that' nano/mini has power, ethernet and hdmi cable in the same place as the Apple TV. Could it have been an early version of ATV? or an edited photo?
 
Mystery solved. It's just a picture of the initial prototype of aTV apple showed when they first announcement. After that they changed the case design and renamed it from iTV to appleTV. I feel pretty stupid for not figuring it out sooner, it had to be something like this.

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So yeah, that site is either trying to pull a hoax, or are just completely clueless. No mac nano.
 
Mystery solved. It's just a picture of the initial prototype of aTV apple showed when they first announcement. After that they changed the case design and renamed it from iTV to appleTV. I feel pretty stupid for not figuring it out sooner, it had to be something like this.

http://www.macdailynews.com/gfx/article_gfx/060912_itv.jpg

So yeah, that site is either trying to pull a hoax, or are just completely clueless. No mac nano.

There we go! Nice find, and the mystery of the terrifying Mac Nano is solved. Losing the optical drive would not have been the best move for the Mini so far. An update along the lines of the Macbook would be nice. Maybe a new Alu/Black look rather than the Alu/White, would fit in with the new iMac and the screenshots of Leopard that I've seen. It does appear that Black appears to be Apple's new White.
 
When I finally sold them all off, I kept only one (mainly as a novelty calculator). It's the TRS-80 pocket computer. About the size of an old women's checkbook calculator. But, a full computer with a tiny screen. It's nice for simple programs that don't require anything fancy.

Hey, I have one of those. It's a cute device, but the Basic-only API is kind of disappointing.

It still worked fine last time I tried it, but the battery in the printer add-on unit is shot.
 
Hey, I have one of those. It's a cute device, but the Basic-only API is kind of disappointing.

It still worked fine last time I tried it, but the battery in the printer add-on unit is shot.

Yes, mine works great as well. Yes, the BASIC interface is kind of simple, but given it's age, it's understandable. Almost every computer back then used a BASIC language interface as it's primary functioning environment.

My printer is dead as well. I tried using it once a few years back, but the batteries are drained. I can't locate a power transformer / charger for it. So, with dead batteries, the printer is useless. Well, I guess it's about as useful as my Mac Pro would be without a power cord :D

I don't know what happened to the charger. It was last seen so many years ago, that it could be anywhere. The printer would probably still work if I could supply it with power. But, without power, it doesn't do anything.

But, of course, a printer that prints on calculator sized paper is not going to do anything extremely useful anyway. Would be more for playing around and saying hey look, I made it print :p

I'm sure the printer probably still worked the last time a power adapter or live batteries were in it. But, without the benefit of power or batteries, it's just a thing to look at.

Maybe I'll run across a charger for it someday for free or something. But, given that I've got no practical use for the printer, I've obviously not set out on a serious search for a replacement power pack or charger.

If only it took standard batteries :rolleyes:

I do have a cassette deck for the computer though to store stuff if needed. But, the computer's batteries last so long, that it's really not inconvenient to re-enter stuff.

And, though the manual says to clear the memory every time you change the battery, I found that it does just fine if I swap the batteries and leave the memory in-tact (saving me the effort of reloading my information).

It sure runs a long time of a pair of coin-cell CR2032 batteries :D I usually only change the batteries about once a year or sometimes every other year.
 
My printer is dead as well. I tried using it once a few years back, but the batteries are drained. I can't locate a power transformer / charger for it. So, with dead batteries, the printer is useless.

The printer would probably still work if I could supply it with power.

I'm not so sure about that. I have the power supply, but it still doesn't work. I think the rechargeable battery needs to be replaced. It is not intended to be replaceable, but it probably wouldn't be too hard so long as it's not soldered to a board or anything.


But this has gotten pretty far off-topic, so back to the MacMini. There are rumors that the non-pro MacBooks will be updated sometime between today and November 6th. Do you suppose there's any chance that the MacMini will be updated also?
 
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