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I'm getting a Mac mini when Tiger comes out. I don't want to spend $600 on a new Mac and then another $100+ 2 months later for the latest OS.

I currently have a loaded Dell. I've got 2 LCD monitors hooked up to it. A Mac mini will fit perfectly right under one of the monitors. That monitor is hooked up to my Dell by VGA. So, I'll hook the mini up to that monitor's DVI port. There is a little button on the front that switches between VGA and DVI.

I already have the Apple bluetooth keyboard and mouse. I bought them because I wanted some type of bluetooth thing to play with on my 12" PowerBook. So, I'll use those with the mini.

I'll be getting the 1.42 gigahertz system with superdrive, 1 gig RAM and bluetooth. I'm sure by the time I buy, a solution will be available to get 1 gig of RAM that's cheaper than the $425 Apple wants.
 
A G5 Mini?

Good though the new mini is (for its target group), I can't help but think that an awful lot of work and effort must have gone into its design. I've been advocating a 'headless' mac for some time and was sure that it would be a larger G5 model. The reason? The iMac G5. It aleady has a small form factor, so take away the (expensive) screen and you have the next upgrade ... a 'midi' Mac. I would willingly shell out the extra money for the additional features and hook up my present 17in LCD.

...just a thought...

bw RTJ
 
BillD222 said:
Why don't you just change your keyboard to UK in sys prefs?
:confused:

Because UK Mac keyboard layout is not the same as UK PC keyboard, which was my point, also generally no command key on PC keyboard (expect Logitech after market keyboards)

Therefore Apple needs a wizard or keyboard layout drivers for PC keyboards, maybe OS X 10.3 works round this, note it was OS X 10.2.4 when I tested the above.

I have 2 new Macs now, iMac G5 and PowerMac G4 1.25 GHz DP (FW800) both OS X 10.3.7 with Apple keyboards !
 
rtjstevens said:
Good though the new mini is (for its target group), I can't help but think that an awful lot of work and effort must have gone into its design. I've been advocating a 'headless' mac for some time and was sure that it would be a larger G5 model. The reason? The iMac G5. It aleady has a small form factor, so take away the (expensive) screen and you have the next upgrade ... a 'midi' Mac. I would willingly shell out the extra money for the additional features and hook up my present 17in LCD.

...just a thought...

bw RTJ


Of course, a large number of us had said that would be logical. My theory is sj refuses to go there cause it's too close to a PC. Every release has to abide by the "think different" aspect. Hence the really, really tiny mac - granted the rapidly growing minipc market probably helped inspire the release, you can buy a nice fanless pentium M box the size of a CD-Rom drive, it's just not advertised as well as apple's products, and has more of a niche market. The release of the mini will probably change the booming SFF (small form factor) pc market and result in cheaper, smaller home machines released by shuttle, sony, and hp (I doubt Dell will, but maybe).

That is what Steve likes to see. He wants to change people's perspective on computing, listenning to the consumer comes second. He's stated pretty outright that he likes it that way.
 
It surprised me as to why Apple didn't make the Mac mini design as a slate.

It has its advantages such as cooling, carry it in one hand, more stackable, easy upgradable, etc.

However they choose to go with a Cube type style, I find it odd considering heat issues alone alone with the external PSU.

Making it 1 inch thick would have made the Mac mini stand in a horizontal or vertical orientation. :)
 
ravenstar said:
I strongly agree. At home, I'm running OS X 10.3.7 on a 333Mhz G3 iMac with 192 MB of RAM. (Really!)

.

i gave my aunt a 266 mhz iMac with 192 ram and she runs osx just fine.

hwhhehehehhe, what she does with her 6 Gbs hard drive is another thing thou, hehehhehe
 
possible it might be a 3.5 drive in mac mini.

i was at the online store checking prices for upgrading the drives in the *books and the mac mini... and it seems like the mac mini has too low of an upgrade price for it to be a notebook drive. compared to the *books. so i think its probably a 3.5 drive in their.
 
Hoffer said:
I'm getting a Mac mini when Tiger comes out. I don't want to spend $600 on a new Mac and then another $100+ 2 months later for the latest OS.

I'll be getting the 1.42 gigahertz system with superdrive, 1 gig RAM and bluetooth. I'm sure by the time I buy, a solution will be available to get 1 gig of RAM that's cheaper than the $425 Apple wants.

It sounds as though you will be all set by the end of the first half of the year. That should make for an awesome setup. Do you plan to continue with the Dell? Welcome to MacRumors, I hope that you will enjoy the community spirit.
 
1980 all over again

I nearly bought a Cosmac ELF computer in 1980, you could get the base model and then add all kinds of stuff to it as you could afford it. And then it was one of the Ohio Scientific systems, but instead I chose the Radio Shack, TRS-80 Model 1 (I was making about 12 K) $600 computer (computer was in keyboard and had BASIC in ROM), level 2, 4K RAM, 1. something Mhz cpu. Added 12 K RAM ($45) expansion interface ($400) with 32 K RAM, serial port, Centronics printer port, joystick port. 1982, added two BASF 5.25 disc drives (each was bigger than the Mac Mini and cost $200 each) for single sided, single density 180 K diskettes. My first floppy disk cost $4.95 at Radio Shack. My first OS was TRSDOS 2.3 which cost $14.95. Games were $10-15. Computer magazines were fun and I sold a bunch of game reviews to 80-Micro and one article about word processors to Popular Computing for $150. First printer was LP-2 (7 pin dot matrix) for $799. When my manuscripts were rejected for lousy print quality, I wrote to Tandy in Texas and got the OK to trade in my LP-2 for a $999 LP-4 (9 pin dot matrix)

If you've been adding up the numbers, you'll see I spent nearly 2K on a original $600 system. What I really wanted was an Apple 2, which I think were going for $12-1500 back then. But I couldn't afford it.

I got a Franklin IBM clone next, and when the video board died, it cost $300 for a new one. There was no mother board per se, all the cards including the motherboard plugged into a bus. They also made IBM clones and I think they got sued by Apple and ultimately got out of the computer business. Next I got a 12 Mhz Turbo IBM clone from Sears for $999 with 512 K RAM, 2 floppies and a monochrome monitor. It cost $300 to get a color VGA monitor a few months later. I became an expert in DOS and could configure the auto exec bat files with ease and fly through the config sys thing and became adept at putting things like mouse drivers into upper memory to have more memory for programs. But then along came Windows, and now anyone can use a computer.

Next came the 486 DX, puchased for $2800 CDN ( I was living in Toronto at the time). That one is in my closet along with the AMD full tower K2 450 MHZ system I built some years back. With that system I got an ergonomic keyboard and a $300 NEC 15" LCD. Then I saw this great deal on a Compaq 2.4 gig a couple of years ago, and that's what I have today. Piece of feltercarb! And Windows too. I gave the Compaq monitor and keyboard away and still have the speakers.

Had I saved a little more, I could have acquired that Apple 2. It was such a good computer compared to the dreck available in 1980. In view of what I've spent on computer systems over the years, a $12-1400 IMAC is a good deal.The Mac Mini is a cute little gadget. All of a sudden we have a "cheap" Apple, and everyone is crowding around the crib to admire the little fella.

With the Mac Mini, as with my old TRS-80, you'll spend a little now to get it, but perhaps a lot more later to upgrade. As has been hinted in the forum, who knows what needed upgrades Apple will make available. In view of what Apple computers used to cost and what current PC systems cost, operating systems and applications not withstanding, the IMAC, G5 Power MAC, and now the Mac Mini are all excellent bargains. I configured my dream G5 Power Mac a while ago and it cost the same as an Alienware super system, and a Dell super system, and etc. From what I've seen, the current crop of Apples are competive and in line with comparable PCs. I spent $1400 on the IBM clone from Sears and I can get an IMAC for the same price today. But it is no longer just computers, it is what computers have become in our lives and the applications they can run.

Yes, I was blinded by the light. I even put a Mac Mini in my shopping cart at the Apple Store. But after I added up the numbers, an IMAC makes more sense. Spend a little now, spend a little more later. Spend a little more now, spend nothing later. But, I think the Mac Mini is a great little sytem for some people. It's about time Apple had something in the low priced niche to compete with the $500 Dells (like the two my housemates just bought) As with the Trash-80, it's 1980 all over again.
 
hanq said:
i was at the online store checking prices for upgrading the drives in the *books and the mac mini... and it seems like the mac mini has too low of an upgrade price for it to be a notebook drive. compared to the *books. so i think its probably a 3.5 drive in their.

If you look at newegg, the cost difference in price for 40 vs 80 gb 2.5" drives is ~$50. Which is exactly the difference Apple is offering.

The difference between a 40 and and 80 gb desktop drive is $10. A 3.5" drive is too large, generates too much heat, and if that we the case, there would be larger drive offerings BTO (it would be to apple's advantage, the margins are small).
 
wdlove said:
It sounds as though you will be all set by the end of the first half of the year. That should make for an awesome setup. Do you plan to continue with the Dell? Welcome to MacRumors, I hope that you will enjoy the community spirit.

I will continue with my Dell. I'm an open minded person and have room for both Windows and Mac in my life. My first 2 computers were actually Apples. I had an Apple IIc a hundred years ago and a PowerMac 7100/66 in college. I have a 12" PowerBook now that I bought 2 years back. OS X is a great OS, very stable.

I plan on getting a new PowerBook whenever they come out with the G5.
 
Evangelion said:
With or without USB-ports on the keyboard?



you don't get my point. This is something that Apple could have handled quite easily. But they didn't. Instead, the user has to figure out ways how to get extra USB-ports on the Mini. People are suggesting USB-hubs, keyboards with USB-ports etc. etc. But all that means that the user must spend money and effort to fix this issue, whereas Apple could have fixed it with minimium effort so that it wouldn't be an issue at all!

Apparently, the Mini should have "everything I need". Well, it doesn't. And no, I don't think I'm asking for too much. Surely someone at the design-team thought that "Hey guys.... This thing only has two USB-ports. When the user plugs in their mouse and keyboard, there wont be any ports left!". Instead of fixing that issue (which is not expensive or difficult), they just assumed that the user will fix it for them, by using USB-hubs and the like.

Note, this issue is fixable for me: I have USB-ports on my TFT. But many do not. I think this is a bad design-decision on Apples part. And they could have fixed it quite easily.

You forgot the floppy drive. Only one firewire, too. And no pci expansion slot! :eek: Come on! Compare this to a g4 you have to crawl under the desk to plug in stuff because it's too loud and too big for the desktop. :confused:
 
Has anyone here mentioned....

I think this release of the mini-Mac just made life a lot harder for Powerlogix and other processor upgrade companies?

I know not everyone will throw out thier PowerMacs, but you have to admit that it does make a more compelling buy for those who have a standard issue PowerMac that is several years old.

Hmmm.... Upgrade my PM DA 733, or buy a Mini-Mac?

Max.
 
devwild said:
If you look at newegg, the cost difference in price for 40 vs 80 gb 2.5" drives is ~$50. Which is exactly the difference Apple is offering.

The difference between a 40 and and 80 gb desktop drive is $10. A 3.5" drive is too large, generates too much heat, and if that we the case, there would be larger drive offerings BTO (it would be to apple's advantage, the margins are small).

and yet Apple charge $75 for 60GB from 30GB and $150 for 80GB in the ibook(difference betwen 30GB and 60GB 2.5" drives ~$30, ~$75 for 30GB and 80GB(also from newegg)), and $50 for 80GB from 40GB in the emac....

maxvamp said:
...Mini-Mac?

that's Mac Mini.
got it all backwards buddy :D
 
maxvamp said:
I think this release of the mini-Mac just made life a lot harder for Powerlogix and other processor upgrade companies?

I know not everyone will throw out thier PowerMacs, but you have to admit that it does make a more compelling buy for those who have a standard issue PowerMac that is several years old.

Hmmm.... Upgrade my PM DA 733, or buy a Mini-Mac?

Max.

They already have a problem. It's called the G5, which Apple designed and have kept secured in such a way that apple proc upgrade companies may be dead in a few years anyways. :(
 
maxvamp said:
I think this release of the mini-Mac just made life a lot harder for Powerlogix and other processor upgrade companies?

I know not everyone will throw out thier PowerMacs, but you have to admit that it does make a more compelling buy for those who have a standard issue PowerMac that is several years old.

Hmmm.... Upgrade my PM DA 733, or buy a Mini-Mac?

Max.

You're right. With the economy slow, and with other purchase options (HDTVs, DVD Players, etc.), many people have been sticking with their older computers. Now, you can buy a Mac for less, use your old keyboard and monitor, and still decide to buy a new PowerMac later (when there are new models available).

I would say that it is the smartest thing Apple has done, except . . . can they deliver product? A couple of days after announcing, they are already delaying delivery for people who did not order on the first day. Doesn't Apple realize that people who make purchase decisions don't like to wait around for their purchases to appear?

EDIT: Everyone keeps talking about upgrades. Computer manufacturers don't want you to upgrade -- they want you to buy a new computer. Third parties like to sell upgrades, not primary manufacturers. Dell sees an upgrade as something that happens at the time of the initial purchase -- not something that happens a year from now.
 
hubs, people, HUBS!

Evangelion said:
But on PC's it's not a problem, since keyboards and mouses are quite often PS/2. On the Mini you have to use USB (or use Bluetooth), and the Mini jas just enough ports for keyboard and mouse, no more, no less.

That said, I have a total of... 7 USB-ports on my PC (if I include the ones on my TFT) :).

well, if you have them on your monitor or keyboard now, you'd have them on the mac mini... duh...get it yet?? :confused:
 
To all you crackheads deluding yourselves into thinking that this machine will be anything less than a smashing success, that it won't entice switchers, I have this to say: you are 100% WRONG.

I've been a peecee user for the last 12 years (since college) and bought a Mac Mini about 4 seconds after they were announced - see my post on the 1st or 2nd page in this thread. Since then, I've purchased a second (for another location) and convinced two other peecee friends to purchase them as well (two for one guy, one for the other). It was a shockingly easy sell.

Total number of new keyboards, monitors and mice purchased for these FIVE Mac Minis? Zero. Zilch. Nada. Zip.

And none of our peecees are particularly old from a peripherals standpoint desipte their age in years. My THREE YEAR OLD pc runs Windows XP (and came that way originally) and so of COURSE has USB keyboard, mouse, etc. Same with my friends'. Trust me - there will be *plenty* of soon-to-be-former PC users buying these things, even to replace or augment fairly current machines...

Face it nay sayers, you're just flat out wrong.

TM
 
3Memos said:
How would one go about capturing DV video with the Mac mini? At some point, you'll have to save the DV video to an external firewire drive. Since it has only 1 firewire port, the process seems cumbersome.

You really can't daisy chain a firewire camcorder with a firewire drive and not expect some drop-outs.

I know from experience you can. FireWire is full-duplex, unless I'm very much mistaken, which means you can go camcorder <-> drive <-> computer (or, in terms of data travel, camcorder > drive > computer > drive) with no problems.

~J
 
Kagetenshi said:
I know from experience you can. FireWire is full-duplex, unless I'm very much mistaken, which means you can go camcorder <-> drive <-> computer (or, in terms of data travel, camcorder > drive > computer > drive) with no problems.

~J

I too can confirm this from experience - even on a PC :)

TM
 
Ohh my God! Sooooooooooooooo cool Apple.

Someone else on the thread said it - forget switchers, this thing is for us adders.

I've been contemplating a 23" Aluminum display for my G5, and now getting one means my 20" Display I have now could be used for with a Mac mini......mmmmmmmmmmm.

Sigh.

As soon as I could get into the store on Tuesday, I ordered iLife '05.

In the next few months:

23" Display
1.42 Mac Mini
Asteroid (if rumors are true)
Airport Express

Damn you Steve!!! Somehow, you manage to make my wallet lighter pretty much constantly.

:)
 
anthonymoody said:
To all you crackheads deluding yourselves into thinking that this machine will be anything less than a smashing success, that it won't entice switchers, I have this to say: you are 100% WRONG.

I've been a peecee user for the last 12 years (since college) and bought a Mac Mini about 4 seconds after they were announced - see my post on the 1st or 2nd page in this thread. Since then, I've purchased a second (for another location) and convinced two other peecee friends to purchase them as well (two for one guy, one for the other). It was a shockingly easy sell.


Face it nay sayers, you're just flat out wrong.

TM

I agree with you completely, I have already convinced one PC user at work to switch from using a PC with the Mini pricing, one other Windows user is thinking of getting one as a second computer. I think Apple are also going to sell a lot of these to pre 1GHz G4 Powermac users who don't really need the performance of a G5, or want a second mac in the home.
 
This is really targeted at the person who has all the pieces--if you don't, then a refurbished eMac (or even a new one) is a better deal:

MacMini: 1.42 GHz, SuperDrive, 512mb RAM, AppleCare: $923.00
eMac: 1.42 Ghz, SuperDrive, 512mb RAM, AppleCare: $1243.00

So, you'd pay $320 more for the eMac's screen, keyboard, and mouse (not a bad deal at all!). You can also upgrade the RAM and hard drive easier and cheaper. You could save a few more $$ (maybe $40), by installing your own 256 MB DIMM in the eMac to bring it up to 512. I would doubt, though, that talking about installing your own memory is a fair comparision for the audience that would be buying the Mac mini…

Comparing a refurbished eMac (still full warranty):
eMac, 1.25 GHz, 80 Gb, SuperDrive, 256 MB RAM, AppleCare: $968
MacMini 1.25 Ghz, 40 Gb, SuperDrive, 256 MB RAM, AppleCare: $748
MacMini 1.25 Ghz, 80 Gb, SuperDrive, 256 MB RAM, AppleCare: $798
Delta:$220 (40 GB mini), $170 (80 GB mini)

So it's really for the person who already owns a monitor; otherwise, I think a reburbished (from Apple) eMac is probably a better deal.
 
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