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You don’t have to get Apples TB cable, there are other that are just as good for much cheaper.
That's not the main point I was trying to make, which is a cable that can handle TB is going to be considerably more expensive than a USB-C cable intended primarily for power delivery. There isn't the same easy to see visual distinction as there is between a USB-2 cable and a USB-3 cable, but the same is not necessarily true between a TB cable and a USB-C power cable.
 
Too bad that's NOT what is expected to happen. The rumor is subtraction, not substitution.
  • Current Mac Mini has 4-6 ports as 2 or 4 Thunderbolt + 2 USB-A.
  • Rumor Mac Mini (Junior) has 2-4 as 2 or 4 Thunderbolt ports + 0 USB-A.
Maintaining 4-6 ports of a higher quality/capability would be a net value WIN for consumers. Too bad that's NOT the rumor.
Umm, that’s not right. The rumoured mini M4 is supposed to get up to 5 USB-C ports.

So currently it’s up to 4 USB-C ports and 2 USB-A. Since USB-C can do much more than USB-A I’d say it’s fine.

Don’t know why you on saying it’s up to 4 USB-C port for the M4 mini, when it’s clearly stated to be 5. If you miss the USB-A port you could always convert the 5th usb-C port into USB-A using an adapter.

See below:

The current ‌Mac mini‌ with the M2 chip features two USB-C ports and two USB-A ports, while the ‌M2‌ Pro variant has four USB-C ports and two USB-A ports. Writing in his latest "Power On" newsletter, Gurman explained that the new ‌Mac mini‌ with the M4 Pro chip will have a total of five USB-C ports, but no USB-A ports.
 
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That's not the main point I was trying to make, which is a cable that can handle TB is going to be considerably more expensive than a USB-C cable intended primarily for power delivery. There isn't the same easy to see visual distinction as there is between a USB-2 cable and a USB-3 cable, but the same is not necessarily true between a TB cable and a USB-C power cable.
There is a distinction between a normal USB-C cable and a thunderbolt one, TB cables should have a lighting bolt on them.
 
You can telegraph as long as you want, if there are barely any less USB-A devices and cables than when you started “telegraphin”, then it’s still early.

Apple is not “supposed” anything, they do what they do. It’s just the fact that it’s still early. They might not care that it’s still early and that’s fine, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is.
Ten years plus of USB-C is not “early on”, that’s silly technobabble for “I’m going to cling on to USB-A forever”. USB-A 3.0 compared to its predecessors (serial and parallel ports, SCSI, FireWire) is so much better at being ubiquitous cheap that it keeps on going through sheer momentum, not because it’s so great. VHS was ubiquitous, didn’t mean there weren’t better options.
 
Apple has dongles in its DNA.

Way back when the Mac was released. It only had one disc drive when every other PCs back in the day, came with two.

The first thing you had to buy was an external disc drive or it was basically unusable.
All the desktop PCs I have owned since I got my first computer in 1996 have always come with 1 disc drive, I think. I don't know what was so unusable about that.

I feel what this all shows is that Apple still retains some degree of influence in the PC market, in part because they are the only (legitimate) provider of Mac computers. This means that if they decide to come up with a controversial design (like the 2016 MBP where they removed a whole bunch of ports from MagSafe to usb-a to sd-card), users often have little option but to hop on board and make do the best they can, if they want to continue using macOS.

Think back to when Apple dropped support for flash, when the iMac lacked a floppy drive, when the MBA dropped a bunch of ports to achieve that incredible thinness, to when the iPhone removed the headphone jack...the thing I have always loved about Apple products is how their vision of a possible future of computing came through in their opinionated design, and that sometimes, if you just pushed hard enough, that vision could well become a reality.

In contrast, it's the PC manufacturers who lack any real ability to influence the state of affairs in the market, because there are so many of them, each peddling the same filling as everyone else. If an OEM sold a laptop lacking usb-A ports, a customer would simply switch to a competing alternative. Where's the equivalent of a windows AOI? And because of this, every windows computer tends to look and feel the same. Remember how staid and boring windows PC design was before Apple demonstrated that there was money to be made in the marketing a well-designed product to the mass consumer market?

It doesn't always mean that I liked all of Apple's design decisions or that I was never inconvenienced by them, but again, I saw it as "part of the deal" of embracing the Apple ecosystem in its entirety. That no matter what Apple did, I would embrace, and adapt to the best of my ability, and I trust that things will ultimately work out for the best.

And this is something I wished I could see more here in this forum. Like for a group of supposedly more tech-savvy users, I see a lot of resistance to change. Like it's easy for people to argue in favour of more (free) ram and storage because that's an incremental change that everybody can get behind. Less so for radical paradigm shifts such as removing ports or a drastically different form factor that challenges users to rethink their existing workflows, where suddenly, a dongle is now too much to bring around. :rolleyes:
 


Apple's redesigned Mac mini will not have any USB-A ports, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports.

M4-Mac-mini-Black-Ortho-Warmer.jpg

The current Mac mini with the M2 chip features two USB-C ports and two USB-A ports, while the M2 Pro variant has four USB-C ports and two USB-A ports. Writing in his latest "Power On" newsletter, Gurman explained that the new Mac mini with the M4 Pro chip will have a total of five USB-C ports, but no USB-A ports. Three USB-C ports will be located on the back, while two will be present on the front of the machine, similar to the Mac Studio. There will continue to be ports for ethernet, HDMI, and 3.5mm audio. The power supply will apparently continue to be internal.

Last month, Gurman reported that the next-generation Mac mini with the M4 and M4 Pro chips will feature the first major design change to the machine since 2010. The new Mac mini will apparently approach the size of an Apple TV, but it may be slightly taller than the current model, which is 1.4 inches high. It will continue to feature an aluminum shell. Individuals working on the new device apparently say that it is "essentially an iPad Pro in a small box."

Gurman says that suppliers in China are scheduled to begin shipping the new Mac mini models with the M4 chip in early September. The M4 Pro model will not begin shipping until October. The M4 generation of Apple silicon will purportedly be the first time that Apple has used the same chip generation across all of its Macs, with refreshes to add the M4 chip to the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, iMac, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro planned to take place over the next year.



Article Link: Mac Mini to Lose Its USB-A Ports Later This Year
Bollocks to the horrible USB-A ports and all who whine about them!
 
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If this turns out to be true, then no Mac mini for me, even though I have two mini's that need to be replaced.

Genuinely hope this is not true. I honestly wish the MacBooks had at least 1 USB Type A port. It’s still incredibly useful.

Great decision
Who wants useful ports on a desktop computer!?

/s

No USB A ports:
BOOO! That sucks. So much stuff is still USB A. USB C is obviously so much better, but it’s so inconvenient to not have USB A, especially on a desktop, and even more so for a desktop that you’re supposed to “bring your own keyboard and mouse”. Apple isn’t doing anyone a favor here, just guaranteeing many of their users will get stuck having to buy adapters and hubs, which for non-tech people, is almost always a struggle. Apple’s hubris condemns us to dongle hell.

For the front USB C:
That’s great. I think every desktop needs front USB. I wish my Mac Studio had 4 front USB ports (2x C and 2x A preferably).

This is stupid. I get removing ports on Macbook because compromises sometimes needs to be made to get the desired chassis but there is objectively no reason to do this to a desktop computer other than hubris.

Lots of multi-platform periphery used with Macs still uses USB-A by default because USB-C is not a standard in PC world. I don’t even care about additional money spent on a dongle or a hub that much. I just think it’s stupid having all those dongles sticking out of your computer because Apple was too arrogant to include what is a basic port.

Yeah, because in 2025 who on earth uses keyboard and mouse on a desktop compter!

We should not be accepting this on a desktop computer!

What are we doin' here!?


I find it absolutely incredible those who advocated for the death of lightning for the reasons of "usb-c is the future" and "we need to stop producing XYZ port because the ENVIRONMENT" are now walking back on those statements because they want to keep using USB-A

They're showing their true colors and aren't / will never be objective when it comes to design decisions of tech products. They just want the product to work only for themselves without considerations of how other people use these products.
 
5 USB C ports is a good change. There are plenty of hubs and adapters for USB C to A ports if you still have devices that require USB-A ports. I was worried they'd go to just 2 USB C ports instead, if they could make it 6 that'd be better.
 
2015 Nexus 6P and 2015 Macbook 12" were the first devices I know that went all USB-C ports.

After 10 years I think it is time to transition every device to USB-C.
 
All the desktop PCs I have owned since I got my first computer in 1996 have always come with 1 disc drive, I think. I don't know what was so unusable about that.

I feel what this all shows is that Apple still retains some degree of influence in the PC market, in part because they are the only (legitimate) provider of Mac computers. This means that if they decide to come up with a controversial design (like the 2016 MBP where they removed a whole bunch of ports from MagSafe to usb-a to sd-card), users often have little option but to hop on board and make do the best they can, if they want to continue using macOS.

Think back to when Apple dropped support for flash, when the iMac lacked a floppy drive, when the MBA dropped a bunch of ports to achieve that incredible thinness, to when the iPhone removed the headphone jack...the thing I have always loved about Apple products is how their vision of a possible future of computing came through in their opinionated design, and that sometimes, if you just pushed hard enough, that vision could well become a reality.

In contrast, it's the PC manufacturers who lack any real ability to influence the state of affairs in the market, because there are so many of them, each peddling the same filling as everyone else. If an OEM sold a laptop lacking usb-A ports, a customer would simply switch to a competing alternative. Where's the equivalent of a windows AOI? And because of this, every windows computer tends to look and feel the same. Remember how staid and boring windows PC design was before Apple demonstrated that there was money to be made in the marketing a well-designed product to the mass consumer market?

It doesn't always mean that I liked all of Apple's design decisions or that I was never inconvenienced by them, but again, I saw it as "part of the deal" of embracing the Apple ecosystem in its entirety. That no matter what Apple did, I would embrace, and adapt to the best of my ability, and I trust that things will ultimately work out for the best.

And this is something I wished I could see more here in this forum. Like for a group of supposedly more tech-savvy users, I see a lot of resistance to change. Like it's easy for people to argue in favour of more (free) ram and storage because that's an incremental change that everybody can get behind. Less so for radical paradigm shifts such as removing ports or a drastically different form factor that challenges users to rethink their existing workflows, where suddenly, a dongle is now too much to bring around. :rolleyes:
Their form over function criticism is warranted. It took about 10 years to better the functionality of my 2014 MacBook because bad thin keyboards and fewer ports isn’t always better. Bluetooth on a Mac mini has sucked for 15 years. How about adding a $1 antenna or just make it a bit bigger so there is less interference. As I type on my $1000 iPhone 15 that is obsolete after 6 months because it doesn’t have enough ram to run the new AI stuff because it save them $5 makes me mad. But they have made me enough $ in my portfolio so I guess we are even.
 
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I have a semi-related topic, if we're going to talk about USBC. And USBC being *the one port*

Why don't smart speakers have USB type C?

For example, Amazon echo and Google nest mini have proprietary barrel charger plugs.

What is the point of a proprietary barrel charger plug on a device like a small smart speaker which may be occasionally moved around? It makes much more sense to have USBC, the common connector,for power on those devices, and yet, stupidly, they have a proprietary charging port. It makes zero sense to me. Does someone care to explain this to me?



Why does Amazon echo not have USBC?

Why are there proprietary barrel charger supporters

The whole point of USBC was to be the one connector for everything
 
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I have a semi-related topic, if we're going to talk about USBC. And USBC being *the one port*

Why don't smart speakers have USB type C?

For example, Amazon echo and Google nest mini have proprietary barrel charger plugs.

What is the point of a proprietary barrel charger plug on a device like a small smart speaker which may be occasionally moved around? It makes much more sense to have USBC, the common connector,for power on those devices, and yet, stupidly, they have a proprietary charging port. It makes zero sense to me. Does someone care to explain this to me?



Why does Amazon echo not have USBC?

Why are there proprietary barrel charger supporters

The whole point of USBC was to be the one connector for everything

To see how long it takes the EU to force them to switch to usb c :)
 
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Still keep an Intel Mac mini on the side to run my purchased software that’s still 32 bit and working fine.
Can’t we have an add on module for macOS to install onto Rosetta to run older software? (Like Windows and Ubuntu can) o_O
 
I have a semi-related topic, if we're going to talk about USBC. And USBC being *the one port*

Why don't smart speakers have USB type C?

For example, Amazon echo and Google nest mini have proprietary barrel charger plugs.

What is the point of a proprietary barrel charger plug on a device like a small smart speaker which may be occasionally moved around? It makes much more sense to have USBC, the common connector,for power on those devices, and yet, stupidly, they have a proprietary charging port. It makes zero sense to me. Does someone care to explain this to me?



Why does Amazon echo not have USBC?

Why are there proprietary barrel charger supporters

The whole point of USBC was to be the one connector for everything
I'm just taking a swing here. If the cable is USB then the other end has to be USB of some sort I think. That means you cannot have a two prong charger. Everybody has a 2 prong outlet to plug into. With USB you have to convert a two prong charger with a USB adapter with 2 prongs. Similar to how you have to plug in a Homepod Mini. Now I could be way off here, but are there USB cables on one end with a two prong brick on the other? I'm guessing Amazon might feel going totally USB they would have include the adapter in the box and that would be an expense for them (no matter how small) Maybe it's cheaper for them to be proprietary. It might be a nickel, but they probably think of a nickel x 20 million units sold.
 
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USB C ports are more compact than A, so being able to squeeze an extra one in is a huge plus over keeping the A ports at the expense of an extra port.
 
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Oh my, shades of the rage when Apple first removed the SCSI port,the floppy disk and then the CD/DVD drives. The peanut gallery went berserk when Apple held out adding USB-C to the iPhone. Now it’s objecting to USB-C only devices.
Well I personally feel Apple cripples products by removing useful ports. I have a 2018 MBP with 3 usb-c ports if I want to use an external monitor I had to buy a $100 dongle so tac that on to the price of the MB and Also I’d prefer a Mini with more connectivity on the front.
 
Surprised by this:
  1. Removing the power supply from the internals would remove a source of heat, leave more space for heatsinks or allow an even smaller case
  2. Apple already make suitable external power supplies (e.g. that come with a MacBook Pro)
  3. It would allow for USB-C power delivery, meaning a one cable link to a Studio Display etc (althouh perhaps needing a 140 W supply which may require a new Studio/XDR display)
A lot of Mac minis go in server racks, where external PSUs would be obnoxious at best and more likely a nonstarter.
 
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