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Mac OS 10.5.2, Mac Pro Update At Macworld?

Sorry for the double post.

henjin said:
IThe motherboard is capable of taking the new Penrynn ...
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The BB002 is a nice system. I'm actually not much of a fan of the case. I think the Coolermaster Cosmos and the Antec 900 are nicer looking but thats all a matter of taste.

Just as an FYI, the Striker 680i is the board used in the 002 and unfortunately they don't support Penryn after all and the Striker has been ]confirmed not to work on several forums.

Sorry to be a downer. On the up side, the BB002 was designed by VoodooPC (owned by HP) so it has a standard ATX board which you can replace down the line if you feel so inclined.

Edit: nevermind, there should be a BIOS update to fix that. :)
 
More on GPU on motherboard

Sorry if someone took the 'rattle around' of cards as a dig, but it is a real problem. When you ship a million computers, you are going to have problems with cards coming out, no matter what you do. In the end, users (or tech shop people...etc) will open up the box, loosen the connector, slap it back together, and then a week later some percentage will fail.

Basically card slots should be used for optional equipment installed by the end user. (like extra video cards for 3 monitor support, etc).

If NVidia can make a card with 100GB/sec bandwidth, then I want a motherboard with that much. 'Just' take the best graphics card, add 10 GB or RAM, stretch it physically so it looks like a motherboard, and add a CPU. How difficult can that be?

If you read something like http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10-4.ars/14 and imagine it with out VRAM constraints, and bottlenecks, you can see what needs to happen.

Gaming is not the hardest 3D thing to do. It is just that right now it is about the _only_ 3D thing that people do on computers. It is really complicated to make a convincing 3D world out of 200MB of memory. It can be done, but you need to sweat the details. That's why games were first - game designers have control over the look and feel of the game space.

In order to walk down a street or a store aisle virtually, you need to load in GBs worth of textures. If this has to be done by squeezing all the data over the PCI or whatever slot, there will be a lot of waiting going on. It looks like the bandwidth on the latest PCIe bus is about 1GB/sec depending on how you measure it. (pinned does not count - you can't wire in textures in real life). http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t53039.html

I guess time will tell. If in 3 years everyone who wants the fastest machine is buying graphics cards on some bus then I guess I was wrong.
 
An article just posted on www.tech.co.uk suggests that there won't be any changes to Mac Pro at Macworld Expo except for a speed bump. The analyst also suggests that any major changes will wait till WWDC.

Here is the link.
http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mac/news/whats-next-for-apple?articleid=583186772

It doesn't make sense to me but is it possible that all we'll see in january is a modest increase in speed and any big changes such as transition to penryns will be pushed back to summer?
 
V.K. said:
An article just posted on www.tech.co.uk suggests that there won't be any changes to Mac Pro at Macworld Expo except for a speed bump. The analyst also suggests that any major changes will wait till WWDC.

Here is the link.
http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mac/news/whats-next-for-apple?articleid=583186772

It doesn't make sense to me but is it possible that all we'll see in january is a modest increase in speed and any big changes such as transition to penryns will be pushed back to summer?
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Rampant speculation based solely on the author's opinion, nothing more.
 
Well as the bloke in the article thinks the MacPro case is only 15 months old, he doesn't realy know what he's on about.

If Apple wait until WWDC to give the Mac Pro penryn, then people are just going to wait until Nehalem. How the hell can he claim the it'll only get a speed bump in Jan is beyond me.
 
G4DP said:
Well as the bloke in the article thinks the MacPro case is only 15 months old, he doesn't realy know what he's on about.

If Apple wait until WWDC to give the Mac Pro penryn, then people are just going to wait until Nehalem. How the hell can he claim the it'll only get a speed bump in Jan is beyond me.
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If only a speed bump, I can't visualize what the "speeds" would look like after a speed bump.
 
G4DP said:
Well as the bloke in the article thinks the MacPro case is only 15 months old, he doesn't realy know what he's on about.

If Apple wait until WWDC to give the Mac Pro penryn, then people are just going to wait until Nehalem. How the hell can he claim the it'll only get a speed bump in Jan is beyond me.
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Ignorance.
 
Mp

are there still people out there buying these machines?

I really enjoy throwing my boss's money out of the window ("spend whatever you need, but get the job done") ... so I guess there's nothing more rewarding for me then to buy a MAC PRO now.:mad:
 
babboxy said:
are there still people out there buying these machines?

I really enjoy throwing my boss's money out of the window ("spend whatever you need, but get the job done") ... so I guess there's nothing more rewarding for me then to buy a MAC PRO now.:mad:
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Not those of us who are educated....we're waiting till Jan 15th.
 
10.5.2 Un/Realistic Expectations

I really hope Apple implement 'Kinetic Scrolling' in Mac OS X 10.5.2 and higher, I also hope that Apple implement iPhone-esk Scrollbars (That appear when the mouse nears them). Maybe fix all of iTunes' bugs and implement "click and flip" to see tracks on the opposite side of the Album Art in Maximum Cover Flow View.

I hope to at least see one of these built into 10.5.2.
 
swearbymac07 said:
I really hope Apple implement 'Kinetic Scrolling' in Mac OS X 10.5.2 and higher, I also hope that Apple implement iPhone-esk Scrollbars (That appear when the mouse nears them). Maybe fix all of iTunes' bugs and implement "click and flip" to see tracks on the opposite side of the Album Art in Maximum Cover Flow View.

I hope to at least see one of these built into 10.5.2.
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Major new features like those as a .2 update? Extremely doubtful. Keep dreaming though.
 
Kinetic Scrolling...Already a Reality!!!

motulist said:
Major new features like those as a .2 update? Extremely doubtful. Keep dreaming though.
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Smart Scroll X does the Kinetic Scrolling Effect in Mac OS X (Even Leopard)
I tried it and i love it, its perfect. If a 3rd Party can do it with the mouse and a scroll wheel/trackpad Apple should be able to do it without any difficulty in 10.5.2 Or .3.

As for the scrollbars appearing when the mouse nears them, I was wildly dreaming while typing.

I still hope iTunes "Click and Flip" is implemented though.
 
swearbymac07 said:
If a 3rd Party can do it with the mouse and a scroll wheel/trackpad Apple should be able to do it without any difficulty in 10.5.2 Or .3.
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That's not true at all.

First, the reason why you probably won't see it in a .2 or .3 update isn't because the feature itself is very difficult to implement, it's because in the first couple of point revisions the priority is on quashing bugs and cleaning up the problems in the ENTIRE OS code base. Adding new non-essential features is very low priority on the programmer's to do list.

Second, it takes a LOT more work for Apple to implement a new feature than the amount of work it takes for a 3rd party to create it as an add-on feature. Every feature that Apple implements as an integrated feature of the OS has to be extensively tested to make sure it doesn't cause problems in any piece of software or conflict with any hardware that exists. The 3rd party has to do no (or much less) such testing because they are not as accountable to the entire universe of users out there, and because their add-on feature can be easily uninstalled if it causes a user buggy problems, which is not possible for a feature that's integrated into the OS.

But hey, never say never. Anything is possible, I've sometimes been happily surprised when Apple did something sooner than I thought they were going to do it. But that hasn't happened too many times.
 
What about an update to the look of the Mac Pro?

These ridiculously enormous towers have been around for how many years? Is there any chance that there will be a new design? I want a new Mac Pro but the size and weight of these behemoths is making me think about getting an iMac. :confused:
 
wow

well i'm glad i saw this... i haven't had a desktop in 4 years (the last one i had was also 4 years old when i ditched it.... 4gb of total hard drive space just doesn't cut it lol!!) so i was pricing some mac pros the other day but i think i will hold out for a few weeks just to make sure.

i looked at the blackbird too... if i got it i would have to use linux :p no vista for me. but i dunno, i configured what seemed pretty similar to my mac pro configuration and it was more expensive ::shrug:: maybe i'm missing something but... yeah... i'll definitely be waiting now, as much as i hate playing this game....
 
Malarkey said:
These ridiculously enormous towers have been around for how many years? Is there any chance that there will be a new design? I want a new Mac Pro but the size and weight of these behemoths is making me think about getting an iMac. :confused:
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I suppose a new design is possible but it shouldn't be a priority in case of Mac Pros. They typically sit under desks out of the view so the look is not that important. This is definitely true for my Mac pro in my office. I hardly ever look at the tower itself so who cares what it looks like and how big it is.

What I want is changes to what's under the hood: penryns and better graphics cards.

It's quite a different story for iMacs which sit right in front of you all the time. The appearance really counts there.
 
Malarkey said:
These ridiculously enormous towers have been around for how many years? Is there any chance that there will be a new design? I want a new Mac Pro but the size and weight of these behemoths is making me think about getting an iMac. :confused:
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Unlikely, the components in there still put off a fair bit of heat.
 
10.5.2 testing just announced

Rumor has it 10.5.2 just went outside of Apple for testing. Expect to see it on ADC before the week's out or this weekend.

It is habit for Apple to release before Christmas, but I don't see that with such a late start on the testing. I could see this being released at MacWorld now.

Rumor also has it that the Mac Pro could very well see a brand new design because the manufacturing plants were being prep'd for major changes to the lines that handle the Mac Pro.
 
mcnaugha said:
Rumor has it 10.5.2 just went outside of Apple for testing. Expect to see it on ADC before the week's out or this weekend.

It is habit for Apple to release before Christmas, but I don't see that with such a late start on the testing. I could see this being released at MacWorld now.

Rumor also has it that the Mac Pro could very well see a brand new design because the manufacturing plants were being prep'd for major changes to the lines that handle the Mac Pro.
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You have a link or source?
 
Just want them to release something

I just wish Apple would release something new. Don't care anymore, i'm just fed up of looking at the sodding iPhone!
 
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