Mac OS 26 Is Utter Garbage and Apple Has truly lost its way....

[loby]

Unintended consequences of updating on a .0 or PB release, beta tester for the rest of us!👍

Yes…first tried macOS 26 on both my M1 MacBook Pro and my fully loaded M3 MacBook Air.

After v.01 on my M1…went back to macOS Sequoia.

M3 MacBook Air…continued and kind-of liked it (but a little unsure of stability) and was working fine since launch until today….

When split screening left and right two finder windows when I did it, the right windows was ok, but…all-of-a-sudden the left window went completely black and could not see anything.

A bug that cannot be tolerated at this stage.

Now…both Mac’s are back tocmacOS Sequoia and will wait it out..

First time in ten years I did not stick with a first OS release on at least one of my main machines.

Bugs..yes…thu happen, BUT NOT on main everyday functions..

UNLESS A.I. is writing the code now..

Should have stayed in the oven to make sure “basic” functions at least work out the door…

 

[nmt1900]

Worst thing that comes to mind is Yosemite with its failed idea of replacing mDNSResponder with discoveryd. It was so spectacular failure that it was reverted completely and nobody wants to even remember it now 10 years later.

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/05/26/apple-discoveryd-replaced-with-mdnsresponder/

Other "nice" thing on Yosemite was Finder bug which made Finder impossible to launch at all - only way out was creating new user account but it was impossible without having at least terminal available to you, but without desktop essentials it was impossible to launch any application. Only way out would be to have ssh access to machine...

It is hard to complain about current state of things compared to that Yosemite mess. People without technical knowledge will always complain about UI design, because they do not know the ugly truth about what's "under the hood"...

 

[uacd]

I'm sure I would have my account banned for being offensive to some of the people who replied and the OP .

You probably won’t but honestly it is not the best way to start communication per-se.

It is an Internet thread where users are sharing their opinions and experiences, just to make sure they are actually facing a bug and not a dying computer.

I get what you are trying to say in your comment but not really. You are implying that 95% of posters here are “lonely, no-life crybabies” who don’t have other things in life to care about than sh**ting on “the best operating system in the world”©️

While I am ok with criticism about my own life and choices it might be indeed offensive to other users.

Imagine you are a freelancer working on some project, doesn’t really matter which field - 3D modeling, animation, photography, video editing, music production, spreadsheets, whatever. You buy highly-advertised and fully packed 2000$+ computer to do your tasks more efficiently instead of similar 1500$+ computer with Windows or Linux.

Your computer is very fast - latest ARM chipset, 16+ GB RAM, high-capacity ultra fast SSD. And they you get your workflow ruined by random glitches in some apps. Most users naturally find workarounds, but some actually think something is wrong with their exact machine. So that’s the reason these threads exist, as well as for vibe check reasons.

On Windows people don’t see as many glitches because UI and UX majorly stay the same over decades, MS usually only patches security and under-the-hood maintenance. On macOS there are so many bugs introduced with each release that it would be a luck if old, non-updated app actually works. Knowing how Apple enjoys crippling capabilities like deleting kexts, rearraging security settings, deleting compatibility with older hardware, it is a dice roll game each and every time.

So, surely people gonna be angry when they face these bugs

 

[uacd]

Should have stayed in the oven to make sure “basic” functions at least work out the door…

Apple nowadays had disposable income to make yearly major releases free of charge, but they don’t really get that it is not possible to polish it up with software development team that they currently have. They either need to fire whole software department and hire new people or stop releasing yearly and move to 2 or 5 year cycle like Windows.

Software devs nowadays share the culture that was first mentioned in Office Space movie from 1999 - “I just… don’t care?”. And since new US administration have limited VISAs for foreign workers, it would be hard to get developers from abroad, so Apple probably only has one choice - move to longer update cycle. That would benefit app compatibility a lot, though bugs play on Apple’s side - these days most users are so lazy they would not bother fixing their 2 year old computer and would go and buy another shiny one. If everything gonna be as stable as possible, how will new MacBooks sell? Probably that is in the Apple’s playbook

 

[uacd]

It is hard to complain about current state of things compared to that Yosemite mess. People without technical knowledge will always complain about UI design, because they do not know the ugly truth about what's "under the hood"...

And again, the double-edged side of bugs: you had bugs with Yosemite, I had not. It ran flawlessly on my 2012 iMac. I haven’t experienced a single bug, glitch or slowdown on it, as well as all apps from Mountain Lion were compatible.

UI design is very important for experience because you interact with that shell. Otherwise we should have all used terminal instead. Jobs era “lickable icons” were pinnacle of UI design, something that Apple decided to throw away, but something that elevated user experience a lot

 

[MBAir2010]

Seems to me that here is something bland or flat about every OS since Bug Sur
especially compared to Mojave for some silly reason.
Tahoe Liquor Glass is nice, responsive but has limits performance wise as I had to
reboot my macMini M1 just to run an simple operation.
I can't place my finger on the exact reason why I prefer using Mojave over Tahoe yesterday
beside photoshop and other adobe C4 programs are fun, easy to execute and more professional that Affinity.
but the over-all experience of using an older intel devoted OS is better, as I feel I am in control.
On Tahoe, I need to adjust the screen brightness more than Mojave as I know how much battery I have left
which might seem a lot in Mojave cpmpared to tahoe but I know there is plenty for my tasks.

what really separates the 2 OS is unified memory scam or ploy, on Tahoe I have 20 GB fluctuating during the day, then restart and viola im back to 48GB! while Mojave is always true as 118GB was always free!

Tahoe i amazing, some GUI bugs like the top menu bar not showing volume, or what that program needs atop.
but there is a huge feeling of control over why I am doing on my computer as  somehow thing change.
Mojave does not have speed battery life and universal control that these 2020 OS have,
but im willing to lose that so I can ENJOY my MacBooks much better!

BTW I did state my case and really do not have the time debating this today,
therefore just read, stop and go on if you don't like or agree on a aspect of this message.

 

[nmt1900]

And again, the double-edged side of bugs: you had bugs with Yosemite, I had not. It ran flawlessly on my 2012 iMac. I haven’t experienced a single bug, glitch or slowdown on it, as well as all apps from Mountain Lion were compatible.

UI design is very important for experience because you interact with that shell. Otherwise we should have all used terminal instead. Jobs era “lickable icons” were pinnacle of UI design, something that Apple decided to throw away, but something that elevated user experience a lot

I did not said I had bugs, but problems with Finder in Yosemite are well known. There are threads here and any web search gives plenty of legit results.

Situation where most fundamental part of user interface fails in a way that all system becomes unusable is not what can be called "better past times of Apple". Minor UI glitches or (design) inconsistencies are nothing compared to these. Yosemite worked somewhat "normally" for me, but caused many headaches when providing remote support for people with Finder failing to open.

 

[loby]

Worst thing that comes to mind is Yosemite with its failed idea of replacing mDNSResponder with discoveryd. It was so spectacular failure that it was reverted completely and nobody wants to even remember it now 10 years later.

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/05/26/apple-discoveryd-replaced-with-mdnsresponder/

Other "nice" thing on Yosemite was Finder bug which made Finder impossible to launch at all - only way out was creating new user account but it was impossible without having at least terminal available to you, but without desktop essentials it was impossible to launch any application. Only way out would be to have ssh access to machine...

It is hard to complain about current state of things compared to that Yosemite mess. People without technical knowledge will always complain about UI design, because they do not know the ugly truth about what's "under the hood"...

Yes, I remember when Yosemite came out and it had a lot of issues out the door.

But, later it seemed to work decently. I will probably get a lot of tomatoes thrown at me, but later I liked OS X Yosemite. People bag on Ive for it, but it was needed though MANY like schisms at the time and many still do.

I am not a hater of macOS Tahoe and don't mind it...but...it probably needed more time before release from my experiences with it. This release just seemed a little sloppy.

Maybe Apple is trying out A.I. to Code?

 

[turbineseaplane]

Note my iPad is not AI capable (A13 SOC) and remains for now on 18.7.

I never thought I’d be so delighted to have some older devices.

It’s remarkably reassuring to not have to worry about an AI infection since most of my devices don’t support it

 

[OneMike]

The problem I have with the OP is that the post went on a rant rather than listing specific issues.

Personally I don’t have complaints

 

[turbineseaplane]

The problem I have with the OP is that the post went on a rant rather than listing specific issues.

Personally I don’t have complaints

If you don't have complaints, would the OP listing specific issues have made a difference to you anyways?

 

[fisherking]

If you don't have complaints, would the OP listing specific issues have made a difference to you anyways?

it's possible to talk about issues and foster discussion without a rant, or a clickbait headline...

 

[MBAir2010]

But, later it seemed to work decently. I will probably get a lot of tomatoes thrown at me, but later I liked OS X Yosemite.

that was the only OSX i never used as i had the same aspect on ElCapitain sunday hole bridging that to High Sierra.
El Cap did everything needed that hour and was actually fun and suck to use on a MBA2010.

furthermore tomatoes are still expensive to hurl so perhaps starfruit or rocks might be tossed!

 

[amancalledsun]

This post should be called. "I don't like OS26 and here is why" I get people love writing click-bait posts do more people hear them complain about their views.

Sadly this seems to be 99.99% of threads on here. People having a cry about XXX device or XXX software does not 100% fit what they want. work how they want it to be. What's clear is the "normal user' has no idea about what it takes to decide on what's in and what's out of a product. why decisions are made and sometimes who things are for. I feel like the people who complain the most are either sitting behind a keyboard lonely and have no one to talk to, or what has been made is just not for them, and that is ok. if it does not work for you. get something else. Great thing about technology!! There are other options

Personally I have had Zero issues with the new OS. I find it far better than previous versions. The updates have improved/ speed up my workflow massivly. It's like the latests update is made for me. No idea if the next OS will be... But welcome to a big companies having to design and make an OS, a device, for so so many different use cases and users.

Personally I would hate to have to make those choices to only see random user on Macrumors have a cry that its not perfect for them. But here we are. I do personally know a person at apple who spends their days reading forums like this as a job, shudder. (yes its manual, no It's not done by A.I) I just wish I could share how they filter the posts for planning and feedback to teams. To be fair I know how they would filter this post - sadly I definitely can't post on here what the would be its classification, and if I did.... I'm sure I would have my account banned for being offensive to some of the people who replied and the OP .

The “Here’s Why” trend of headline writing is one of the worst movements in pseudojournalism ever. It should at least be changed to be grammatically correct and rephrased as “This Is Why”. Just plain lazy. Headlines are supposed to give you a short one line summary of the focus of an article, not be completely uninformative.

 

[JDiggyDawg]

Being a bit dramatic lol. New design language comes with it's own issues and learnings, but it'll get refined over time. OS works totally fine for me. I've got an M1 Max at work and an M3 Max for my personal use and I have no complaints. Maybe just do a clean install and get over being dramatic.

 

[elptdbi3lYI]

Being a bit dramatic lol. New design language comes with it's own issues and learnings, but it'll get refined over time. OS works totally fine for me. I've got an M1 Max at work and an M3 Max for my personal use and I have no complaints. Maybe just do a clean install and get over being dramatic.

Refine and discard, we had peak yosemite for 2years only (mojave+catalina) which took 4 years to reach, similar story with big sur.

 

[Sniper08]

it's possible to talk about issues and foster discussion without a rant, or a clickbait headline...

So lead by example and only respond to threads/posts that fit your criteria?

Not directed at this guy, but in general; I'm a little confused by the meta-discussion about how topic on this forum should go. If someone is not finding a topic or thread interesting to them, why do they feel the need to tell everyone that they're wrong or 'whining'? Just ignore it, which you can do literally, and move on and let people rant and rave with each other like they want to? You're just keeping a discussion you don't like alive.

This is like those people who go into a thread where someone is expressing disappointment about losing Launchpad and going; "I never used launchpad, never ever opened, but I'm glad its gone from the OS because spotlight is so much better and you shouldn't want it back. Apple made the decision and this is the way forward." It's a bizarre form of toxicity that tries to paint anyone expressing disappointment (unless they do it in a calm, collected way with references, citations, and community approval) as backwards, unnecessarily emotional, terminally online, unreasonable or illogical.

Don't look. Don't see.

 

[jay-A]

Worst thing that comes to mind is Yosemite with its failed idea of replacing mDNSResponder with discoveryd. It was so spectacular failure that it was reverted completely and nobody wants to even remember it now 10 years later.

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/05/26/apple-discoveryd-replaced-with-mdnsresponder/

Other "nice" thing on Yosemite was Finder bug which made Finder impossible to launch at all - only way out was creating new user account but it was impossible without having at least terminal available to you, but without desktop essentials it was impossible to launch any application. Only way out would be to have ssh access to machine...

It is hard to complain about current state of things compared to that Yosemite mess. People without technical knowledge will always complain about UI design, because they do not know the ugly truth about what's "under the hood"...

Yosemite also had a super nasty bug in pdf rendering which made viewing any document a nightmare - slow and pixellated. Worst MacOS release ever to me.

 

[fisherking]

So lead by example and only respond to threads/posts that fit your criteria?

Not directed at this guy, but in general; I'm a little confused by the meta-discussion about how topic on this forum should go. If someone is not finding a topic or thread interesting to them, why do they feel the need to tell everyone that they're wrong or 'whining'? Just ignore it, which you can do literally, and move on and let people rant and rave with each other like they want to? You're just keeping a discussion you don't like alive.

This is like those people who go into a thread where someone is expressing disappointment about losing Launchpad and going; "I never used launchpad, never ever opened, but I'm glad its gone from the OS because spotlight is so much better and you shouldn't want it back. Apple made the decision and this is the way forward." It's a bizarre form of toxicity that tries to paint anyone expressing disappointment (unless they do it in a calm, collected way with references, citations, and community approval) as backwards, unnecessarily emotional, terminally online, unreasonable or illogical.

Don't look. Don't see.

not what i said, at all. 🙄

a rant is a rant, no matter who's ranting 🤣. a discussion is generally more productive, don't you think?

read the thread title again; how does this engage a forum of thinking people? and if all you want is a thread where everyone rants in unison, why post on a forum where others might have a different take? why are some ppl so afraid of a different POV? 🤔

 

[tny]

Anyone else notice a problem with a lack of touch sensitivity at the top of the screen? I'm seeing that a lot on my phone since updating, and I have a couple of friends who have seen it, too.

It's definitely buggy. It's not garbage, but it is a buggier than average release, and could have used a couple more months in the oven; but with the hard release schedules we have nowadays, it's no surprising.

 

[fisherking]

Anyone else notice a problem with a lack of touch sensitivity at the top of the screen? I'm seeing that a lot on my phone since updating, and I have a couple of friends who have seen it, too.

It's definitely buggy. It's not garbage, but it is a buggier than average release, and could have used a couple more months in the oven; but with the hard release schedules we have nowadays, it's no surprising.

fyi this is the mac os tahoe thread, not the ios 26 thread ☺️

 

[Jptowle]

Having been a Mac User for almost 20yrs I continued to update my OS immediately upon release. Never regretting. This new version is a disaster. Should never have upgraded from Sequoia. Big mistake. Boot up time is 10X longer, some of the third party apps continue to require downloading, get the circle of Death when trying to open an external HDD, the external speaker volume bubble is hard to find (I have three screens), these wacky color schemes are hard to read, etc. I have tried every setting change to get a cleaner less artsy display. First time to ever complain. Pure garbage.

 

[Jptowle]

By the way I am running an M1 Max Studio with three screens, 32GB memory.

 

[fisherking]

Having been a Mac User for almost 20yrs I continued to update my OS immediately upon release. Never regretting. This new version is a disaster. Should never have upgraded from Sequoia. Big mistake. Boot up time is 10X longer, some of the third party apps continue to require downloading, get the circle of Death when trying to open an external HDD, the external speaker volume bubble is hard to find (I have three screens), these wacky color schemes are hard to read, etc. I have tried every setting change to get a cleaner less artsy display. First time to ever complain. Pure garbage.

the boot time, the 3rd-party app thing; the spinning wheel opening external drives... not common issues. perhaps start a thread, see if anyone here can help. or call apple. hope you get those things sorted 👍

 

[Jptowle]

Thanks for your reply. I did not have any of those problems with Sequoia. My mistake for upgrading.