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Mac OS X 10.3.6 Update Now Available

My list of problem with 10.3.6: startup, audio, mounting .img, safari

After updating to 10.3.6 on my powerbook G4, 1.33Ghz, 1GB ram, here my list of problems... and I have never seen so many in 10 years using mac... so I hope to find a solution to at least one of the problem.

1. Start-up takes ages!!!! I need to wait 5 minutes with my beach ball turning before the desktop load

2. The most important problem!!! The audio and video jerk a 1/4 of a second everytime I do a small movement with my mouse, load a window or search on my bottom screen menu or for whatever reason. This is true for absolutely everything, hearing an audio CD, an mp3, a quicktime movie, etc. I really want to resolve this problem.

3. 2nd most important problem. I can not mount a disk image. It seems I am not alone on that one and it seems apple.com recognise the issue but does not address a specific solution.

4. When loading Safari, it takes ages to get the first page... after that everything seems to run well. Some issue with safari, can not run properly on secure sites such as banking sites, obliged to use explorer.

So here we go...

anyone in my situation?
Does someone have a solution to at least one of these problems?

Make me want to come back to 10.3.5 and I haven't found any improvement from the previous version beside the problems above.

Greg
 
1. Start-up takes ages!!!! I need to wait 5 minutes with my beach ball turning before the desktop load

G5 2.0 1GB RAM startup 35 seconds
G4 AlBook startup 40 sec
G3 iMac 30 sec
G4 eMac 25 sec

2. The most important problem!!! The audio and video jerk a 1/4 of a second everytime I do a small movement with my mouse, load a window or search on my bottom screen menu or for whatever reason. This is true for absolutely everything, hearing an audio CD, an mp3, a quicktime movie, etc. I really want to resolve this problem.

I can't reproduce that at all. On my eMac I run iTunes all day with 8-10 other apps open and multiple mounted servers. Same on the laptop.

3. 2nd most important problem. I can not mount a disk image. It seems I am not alone on that one and it seems apple.com recognise the issue but does not address a specific solution.

I can't reproduce this either. I do disk images all day since I use netboot, CCC and make dupes of all master CD install disks. (And we have a LOT)

4. When loading Safari, it takes ages to get the first page... after that everything seems to run well. Some issue with safari, can not run properly on secure sites such as banking sites, obliged to use explorer.

Nor this, though I don't use secure sites on Safari, but rather Firefox....

I'm running better than ever, and we once again prove that all Macs are not created equal. I'd LOVE to have your box in front of me now... I love a good mystery! Try killing it and starting over. A good install takes me 8 minutes (clone). When a Mac is running perfect, make an incremental bootable image using Carbon Copy Cloner. Make a netboot server if you can to restore over the network. No more tedious installs! My Apple SE turned me on to this wicked-cool stuff, and my life hasn't been the same.
 
Backed Out

I do a little gaming from time to time, and the loss of performance with the video in this upgrade has prompted me to revert to OS X.3.5, where things are fine.
My personal Macs are G4, Dual Processors running at 867 MHz, with 1 GB of PC 2100.
The Video Card installed is a GeForce4 MX.
I am responsible for a host of G5's, mostly 1.8GHz DP versions, and they are Not for Gaming, consequently I have kept them all at the OS X.3.6 version, with no problems.

Thanks;
 
Well just reading the two posts above makes me feel a little better. I thought that something was wrong with my Mac, maybe showing it age of four plus years. Some of my programs do seem to take a little longer to bootup. The thing that is annoying at times is when I scroll through a page in Safari. At times it seems hesitant ot will move in a slightly jerky fashion.
 
wdlove said:
Well just reading the two posts above makes me feel a little better. I thought that something was wrong with my Mac, maybe showing it age of four plus years. Some of my programs do seem to take a little longer to bootup. The thing that is annoying at times is when I scroll through a page in Safari. At times it seems hesitant ot will move in a slightly jerky fashion.
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The new Safari in Mac OS X 10.3.6 is slow to load, jerky when scrolling, and unresponsive. It dearly needs a fix.
 
Much as I hate the idea, I'm still not installing this update. There are simply too many people reporting grief. I'll wait until 10.3.7 and see if that's just as problematic.
My ProTools software isn't even qualified for 10.3.5 yet though my system appears to be working perfectly well with it but I can't risk it deciding not to run under 10.3.6 with so many people reporting problems with external drives.
 
Noiseboy said:
Much as I hate the idea, I'm still not installing this update. There are simply too many people reporting grief. I'll wait until 10.3.7 and see if that's just as problematic.
My ProTools software isn't even qualified for 10.3.5 yet though my system appears to be working perfectly well with it but I can't risk it deciding not to run under 10.3.6 with so many people reporting problems with external drives.
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I'm glad I read this forum before I installed this update. I usually just install any update, but for now I'll wait until I read about the next one.

Thank you!
 
I have had no problem what so ever since updating everything, I've noticed no changes in response either, Firewire HD, Bluetooth and printing no change
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
The new Safari in Mac OS X 10.3.6 is slow to load, jerky when scrolling, and unresponsive. It dearly needs a fix.
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I concur. I've never seen the beachball so much in my life.
 
Sorry guys, I've had no problems other than that pesky Safari problem where Safari acts like the server doesn't exist but a simple reload fixes it. What a pain that is! But there's no extra beach ball.
 
My safari, 125.12, was working fine this morning until I launched Mail concurrently, then both stalled. I can't reproduce that, but Safari has had problems since 10.3.6, inconsistent beachballs that are hard to reproduce. The whole Dartagnan website is secure, and it was giving me problems last night but not today. Are there internet traffic problems because of the Christmas season, or would that not be a possible source of my problems?
 
DavidCar said:
My safari, 125.12, was working fine this morning until I launched Mail concurrently, then both stalled. I can't reproduce that, but Safari has had problems since 10.3.6, inconsistent beachballs that are hard to reproduce. The whole Dartagnan website is secure, and it was giving me problems last night but not today. Are there internet traffic problems because of the Christmas season, or would that not be a possible source of my problems?
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Yes, some websites can't handle the traffic.

Secondly, I would not use Safari for connecting to secure websites. Mozilla or Firebird is a better choice. Safari may say a website is secure, but never tell you what bit encryption is being used. Mozilla, Firebird and even I.E. tell you that info.
 
Interesting. I just checked the sites (with I.E.) I plan to order from, two say RC4-128, and the other says RC4-40. Should I order over the phone for the RC4-40 site, even though it says Verisign? I take it the only problem your suggesting Safari has with secure sites is that it doesn't give you this number.
 
DavidCar said:
Interesting. I just checked the sites (with I.E.) I plan to order from, two say RC4-128, and the other says RC4-40. Should I order over the phone for the RC4-40 site, even though it says Verisign? I take it the only problem your suggesting Safari has with secure sites is that it doesn't give you this number.
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Any site that still doesn't use 128 bit or better encryption on their website would not get my business even by phone. Frequently companies use their own website to place your order when you call by phone. And that's correct about Safari. You do have to be careful.
 
'Nother Update Nightmare

Thank goodness I have Retrospect.

I've been waiting on doing the 10.3.6 update, mainly because of all the problems folks have reported with it. Yesterday, I blithly thought, "well, the next security update is out, maybe if I apply the 10.3.6 updater along with it, there will be no problems."

Boy, was I wrong.

10.3.6 installed without a hitch, then came the eternal reboot. Then came the Safari kernel panics, then came the Disk Utility crashes, and finally the freeze-on-boot "you're not getting past the grey apple" experience.

Don't install this update. I spent the rest of Sunday doing a clean re-install of 10.3.5.
 
FoxyKaye said:
Thank goodness I have Retrospect.

I've been waiting on doing the 10.3.6 update, mainly because of all the problems folks have reported with it. Yesterday, I blithly thought, "well, the next security update is out, maybe if I apply the 10.3.6 updater along with it, there will be no problems."

Boy, was I wrong.

10.3.6 installed without a hitch, then came the eternal reboot. Then came the Safari kernel panics, then came the Disk Utility crashes, and finally the freeze-on-boot "you're not getting past the grey apple" experience.

Don't install this update. I spent the rest of Sunday doing a clean re-install of 10.3.5.
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No problems with 10.3.6 as long as you follow these tips:

http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html

I might add, there is no such thing as a clean reinstall. This FAQ explains the kinds of installation available to Mac OS X:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@80.pzl5aj8sDC0.177750@.599b7ba4

Perhaps your misunderstanding of how to properly install Mac OS X was part of the reason your installation failed.
 
Back to 10.3.5

I have reverted to 10.3.5 on my Powerbook because I thought I was having hardware problems (slow apps, force quit unavailable, extremely loud fan). Things are much better with 10.3.5. I normally scoff at folks who are terrified to update the OS, but I have to say that this one has scared me. I don't depend on my Mac for my livelihood, but I do use it for several important tasks including banking and investing. I don't think I will be as ready to install an update in the future. Let's hope that 10.3.7 fixes these problems or Tiger is released in January!
 
gopher said:
Perhaps your misunderstanding of how to properly install Mac OS X was part of the reason your installation failed.
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I think that's a little arrogant considering many of the folks reading this forum are pretty geeky, myself included. Most of us I imagine are very protective of our Macs and keep them in top working order.

Instead of misunderstanding how to install updates, perhaps Apple just screwed the pooch on this one, ya think?
 
Sped said:
I have reverted to 10.3.5 on my Powerbook because I thought I was having hardware problems (slow apps, force quit unavailable, extremely loud fan). Things are much better with 10.3.5. I normally scoff at folks who are terrified to update the OS, but I have to say that this one has scared me. I don't depend on my Mac for my livelihood, but I do use it for several important tasks including banking and investing. I don't think I will be as ready to install an update in the future. Let's hope that 10.3.7 fixes these problems or Tiger is released in January!
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If you are having fan problems, that's a hardware issue which needs to be addressed with AppleCare directly. No software update will fix your fan problems. Many have had power management units replaced, and/or fans replaced under AppleCare. Slow applications can be due to a number of factors as this FAQ covers:

http://www.macmaps.com/Macosxspeed.html

As for the arrogance, I don't think so. Many have had no problems with 10.3.6. There are individual lemon stories which exist, and those need to be dealt with on a case by case basis with Apple.
 
Les Kern said:
1. Start-up takes ages!!!! I need to wait 5 minutes with my beach ball turning before the desktop load

G5 2.0 1GB RAM startup 35 seconds
G4 AlBook startup 40 sec
G3 iMac 30 sec
G4 eMac 25 sec

2. The most important problem!!! The audio and video jerk a 1/4 of a second everytime I do a small movement with my mouse, load a window or search on my bottom screen menu or for whatever reason. This is true for absolutely everything, hearing an audio CD, an mp3, a quicktime movie, etc. I really want to resolve this problem.

I can't reproduce that at all. On my eMac I run iTunes all day with 8-10 other apps open and multiple mounted servers. Same on the laptop.

3. 2nd most important problem. I can not mount a disk image. It seems I am not alone on that one and it seems apple.com recognise the issue but does not address a specific solution.

I can't reproduce this either. I do disk images all day since I use netboot, CCC and make dupes of all master CD install disks. (And we have a LOT)

4. When loading Safari, it takes ages to get the first page... after that everything seems to run well. Some issue with safari, can not run properly on secure sites such as banking sites, obliged to use explorer.

Nor this, though I don't use secure sites on Safari, but rather Firefox....

I'm running better than ever, and we once again prove that all Macs are not created equal. I'd LOVE to have your box in front of me now... I love a good mystery! Try killing it and starting over. A good install takes me 8 minutes (clone). When a Mac is running perfect, make an incremental bootable image using Carbon Copy Cloner. Make a netboot server if you can to restore over the network. No more tedious installs! My Apple SE turned me on to this wicked-cool stuff, and my life hasn't been the same.
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Same here Les. I've had NO PROBLEMS at all with the latest and greatest 10.3.6. I guess its a good thing that all computers are not created equal... :D One question for you. When you do the carbon cloning, I'm assuming that you need an additional drive to do this correctly? I've downloaded CCC, but wanted to make sure I'm using it correctly. Thanks!
 
For what it is worth, part of the Safari problems I blamed on 10.3.6 were due to a dirty ethernet connector.
 
Suppose Apple issued a Mac OS X update that did absolutely nothing - changed no programs, touched no files or settings. A placebo software patch.

I have the feeling that we'd still see dozens of complaints that "my system died during reboot", "it made my network fail", "Safari no longer works on this website", "it slowed my system down", "I now have permissions problems", and who knows what else.

Problems happen routinely. If something breaks, you might not discover the problem until you reboot, whether or not you installed new software. If you happen to have installed a Mac OS X update when a problem first shows up, you are likely to blame the update. It's certainly a suspect in such a case, but so are random glitches we all encounter now and then.

Until a report about a bug in a Software Update is repeated many times by many users, I will continue to be suspicious about the many so-called bugs in Mac OS X updates.
 
Doctor Q said:
Suppose Apple issued a Mac OS X update that did absolutely nothing - changed no programs, touched no files or settings. A placebo software patch.

I have the feeling that we'd still see dozens of complaints that "my system died during reboot", "it made my network fail", "Safari no longer works on this website", "it slowed my system down", "I now have permissions problems", and who knows what else.

Problems happen routinely. If something breaks, you might not discover the problem until you reboot, whether or not you installed new software. If you happen to have installed a Mac OS X update when a problem first shows up, you are likely to blame the update. It's certainly a suspect in such a case, but so are random glitches we all encounter now and then.

Until a report about a bug in a Software Update is repeated many times by many users, I will continue to be suspicious about the many so-called bugs in Mac OS X updates.
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I strongly and wholeheartedly agree.
 
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