As far as I'm concerned 10.3.7 is the best update ever because World of Warcraft now runs 10fps faster pretty much all the time. Night Elf Priests rock!
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Mac OS X 10.3.7 Update
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Just installed one.
I installed at 9800 Pro retail edition last night just before the update. I can't imagine what you're saying is true, or else any standard hardware upgrade would fail as the necessary drivers would be missing. I wouldn't worry about upgrading to 10.3.7 before installing the card, unless you want to benchmark it before and after to see the difference the driver upgrades in 10.3.7 made.
The card rocks, by the way. It's nice to play UT2004 at 1680x1050 with the settings maxed!
Archmagination said:
I installed at 9800 Pro retail edition last night just before the update. I can't imagine what you're saying is true, or else any standard hardware upgrade would fail as the necessary drivers would be missing. I wouldn't worry about upgrading to 10.3.7 before installing the card, unless you want to benchmark it before and after to see the difference the driver upgrades in 10.3.7 made.
The card rocks, by the way. It's nice to play UT2004 at 1680x1050 with the settings maxed!
Doctor Q said:
I didnt see this before I updated, but somehow my external drive survived. WHEW!
I assume you mean click the pop-up menu? Not sure exactly what you mean.jvaska said:
But, one thing that slows down bookmark-related actions are the favicons. For example, navigating the bookmarks menu. The first time you click it to open it, there is a delay while the favicons are loaded. You can hear your drive thrash on 'em. The second click is much faster though as everything in in memory already.
Bryan
no problems so far, installed happily after reading the first few pages of the thread
Didn't even stop to backup... Have not yet been struck by lightning, taxforms or rain of frogs
-Squirrel
Didn't even stop to backup... Have not yet been struck by lightning, taxforms or rain of frogs
-Squirrel
its not that much better actually..
I had crashes and i got this flickering of the menu bar down at the bottom of my second monitor
(G5 dual 2, 2.5g, Ati 9600 64mb, two cinema displays 20" and 23'").
I dont know if its it, but it wasnt acting up like that earlier.
I had crashes and i got this flickering of the menu bar down at the bottom of my second monitor
(G5 dual 2, 2.5g, Ati 9600 64mb, two cinema displays 20" and 23'").
I dont know if its it, but it wasnt acting up like that earlier.
I think this was mentioned ealier, but 10.3.7 breaks PCI Extreme 2.0 (which allows Quartz Extreme to run across the PCI bus in Yikes! G4's and Blue & White or Beige G3's).
I'm not too happy about it. I guess I'll be rolling back to 10.3.6 on the B&W.
I'm not too happy about it. I guess I'll be rolling back to 10.3.6 on the B&W.
whats with the negative rating?
god there are so many dogs heated up and needing some on these boards. i scanned 98% of the posts in this stupid thread trying to figure out why i shouldnt install the update because the thread had so many negative points againts it.
arn should make people accountable for positive/negative ratings. thanks for wasting my time you bitter neggers.
this looks like a solid positive in my eyes.
god there are so many dogs heated up and needing some on these boards. i scanned 98% of the posts in this stupid thread trying to figure out why i shouldnt install the update because the thread had so many negative points againts it.
arn should make people accountable for positive/negative ratings. thanks for wasting my time you bitter neggers.
this looks like a solid positive in my eyes.
MacBandit said:
I was planning on getting ati 9800 special edition of 256mb ram, i noticed that all macs (actually the G5 ones) using that card have a smooth and very high fps on the GUI.
Others default ATI 9600 that come shipped with the macs, are not working as good and in many cases you get really choppy "genie effect" and laggy expose.
I thought it would have been fixed in 3.7, but I guess not...
I guess a new card would do it.
Doctor Q said:
Thank you Doctor Q. I didn't disconnect my OWC Firewire Elite with 10.3.6 or any prior upgrades. But I think that I will heed your advice. Usually when one is warned that is just the time that problems occur.
Have noted about others saying that the boot-up after the update is slow. It should be very interesting with a Dual 450 G4.
Stewie said:
Thanks for that Stewie.
Has anyone running ProTools LE updated and then tried PT yet? Thats all thats stopping me, this seems to be a very positive update.
Slow Login Times with 10.3.7
I seem to have narrowed down the cause of excessively long login times. For those with complaints.
I was a good boy and repaired permissions and prebinding before and after along with the other stuff "Onyx" does.
I have been suffering extremely long login times and all of my macs, a 500mhz cube, 667 TiBook, and 2x2GHz G5. The desktop would appear but the menu bar would not fully load for the better part of a minute while the beachball spins.
I have a local airport (extreme) network. When I turned airport off in the menu bar and then restarted/logged out and then back in there was no delay whatsoever. I have the latest airport software installed on all computers and the basestation.
Another thing to note is that the cube is connected to the basestation thru a wired hub not wirelessly and experiences the same slow login.
There has been some discussion on 10.3.7 and DNS issues on the apple.com/support discussion forums.
It would be nice if someone could come up with a fix for this.
I believe that I have followed due diligence when upgrading.
Hope this helps someone
Josh
I seem to have narrowed down the cause of excessively long login times. For those with complaints.
I was a good boy and repaired permissions and prebinding before and after along with the other stuff "Onyx" does.
I have been suffering extremely long login times and all of my macs, a 500mhz cube, 667 TiBook, and 2x2GHz G5. The desktop would appear but the menu bar would not fully load for the better part of a minute while the beachball spins.
I have a local airport (extreme) network. When I turned airport off in the menu bar and then restarted/logged out and then back in there was no delay whatsoever. I have the latest airport software installed on all computers and the basestation.
Another thing to note is that the cube is connected to the basestation thru a wired hub not wirelessly and experiences the same slow login.
There has been some discussion on 10.3.7 and DNS issues on the apple.com/support discussion forums.
It would be nice if someone could come up with a fix for this.
I believe that I have followed due diligence when upgrading.
Hope this helps someone
Josh
gbrandt said:
I guess maybe on older machines this is still a problem, but it DID address the problem. On my DP 2.5ghz, 10.3.6 w/ Diablo II was horrific. Major slow down, and drops into the 5-10fps range in battles.
With 10.3.7, FPS are back up to 40-60fps in heavy battles and 100fps+ in cities. Not the 100fps+ I was getting before in battles, for more than playable.
long login times cause by DHCP
Login times:
My login times turned almost to instant when I changed my Airport TCP/IP settings to DHCP with manual address from DHCP. For some reason the airport was causing a major hang up on log in even on wired connections.
(this is a further development from my previous post)
Login times:
My login times turned almost to instant when I changed my Airport TCP/IP settings to DHCP with manual address from DHCP. For some reason the airport was causing a major hang up on log in even on wired connections.
(this is a further development from my previous post)
mcdermd said:
The tests I've seen show that the overall system does not see any speed benefits with this hack. In fact video frame rates suffered. I wouldn't implement it QE on unsupported hardware.
Just peruse this link and you'll see what I mean.
http://xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/quartz_extreme_PCI_mod.html#storytop
While maybe there are not any true speed improvements, the UI benefits greatly from the QE over PCI hack. The only time you may notice it as a detrement is if you're gaming. The proof is actually in using it yourself. Choppy Expose, smooth Expose. Night and day.
So, I really don't care about the actual framerates, the perceived smoothness is all that matters on that machine.
So, I really don't care about the actual framerates, the perceived smoothness is all that matters on that machine.
jdurston said:
Anyone who uses the phrase 'due diligence' when upgrading deserves the blessing of the Apple Gods & Goddesses...
Max respect.
Merry Xmas, everyone.
BV
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