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Mac OS X 10.3.9 7W72 Seeded

but it doesn't mention the Ipod....

gorkonapple said:
I am just suprised as heck that there's not a story about Jeff Raskin passing away (cancer). Jeff Raskin pioneered the Macintosh. It's a sad day indeed.
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You shouldn't be surprised - Raskin didn't have anything to do with the Ipod....

Most Apple news is music-related, not related to computers.
 
VIIGemina said:
This has to be the last release before Tiger because version numbers are stored in binary-coded decimal (BCD) format.

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1132.html

The version number of this release would be 0x1039.

The high byte for the Major version = 10.
The high nibble of the lower byte for the minor version = 3.
The low nibble of the lower byte for the bug fix = 9.

For Apple to break this and go hexadecimal with a release of 0x103A or 0x103B would break any application that was checking the system version for the last 21 years.

Do I win the geek award?

--Sebastian
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Yes. Congratulations!
 
Stella said:
I get this problem all the time, doesn't matter what film.

To solve it, I have to switch between different sizes and then back to full screen until everything looks fine.

This problem first appears in 10.3.7 ( I think ).
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Stella: Just curious, where'd you get the PowerBook G5? Steve Jobs loan it to ya?
 
Yay, I'm all for making Panther as perfect as possible, because I'm not going to jump directly on Tiger when it comes out.
 
Mike Teezie said:
Yay, I'm all for making Panther as perfect as possible, because I'm not going to jump directly on Tiger when it comes out.
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I agree... I cant wait until they fix their bug ridden ethernet device driver and hope they will include it plus an NFS fix in 10.3.9

As for Tiger IMO it will be fine for the average user when it releases.
It wont be suitable for our purposes on our Xserves for at least 6 to 9 months though.
 
While I'm glad to see 10.3.9 (most likely the last update for panther) I'm just waiting for Steve to announce the Tiger release so I can pre-order my copy. I'm just a sucker for OS updates like that. The bleeding edge is an exciting place to be. :cool:
 
Why upgrade?

pubwvj said:
But what is Tiger going to really do for us?

<...snippage...>

- Spotlight - Doesn't impress me. Just more overhead and a security hole.
- Dashboard - A boring gimmick. We've already got that functionality.
- .Mac & Sync improvements - Yuk - I don't like .Mac - it is over priced, under powered and not terribly useful.
- Automator - I just hope it is a lot better than QuickKeys and AppleScript.
- VoiceOver - I don't like to talk to the computer. Typing & mousing/trackpading is so much faster and easier. This also doesn't justify a new OS.
- Parental Controls - 1) they won't get it right, 2) kids will hack it and 3) kids should be world ready because you'll never make the world safe. Oh, or maybe this is protection for the parents?!
- iChat (ugh), Safari & Mail enhancements? Well, maybe but we don't need a new OS for that, just upgrade and fix the existing applications.
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The main reasons for me to upgrade to 10.4 will be CoreImage and CoreData. The new features built into the user interface are icing on the cake.

Personally, I think Spotlight will be a godsend (I'm horribly disorganized), Automator will make me look brilliant (as I whip up scripts to do everything for everyone), Dashboard will have some useful widgets to make Wintel users drool even more, Safari 2.0 will rock, and yes, the kids will hack the parental controls, but that means that by the time they're getting access to the bad stuff on the net, at least they'll be competent hackers (and that's a good thing).

So I'm stoked on Tiger. If all of the goodness under the hood, combined with a bunch of nice features isn't worth $129 to you, don't buy it. Panther is a great OS, and will be just as great the day after Tiger ships, so no one is saying you have to upgrade. But I certainly will, and eventually the OS world will leave Panther behind, so, eventually, you should probably consider upgrading too.

Cheers
 
bryanc said:
The main reasons for me to upgrade to 10.4 will be CoreImage and CoreData. The new features built into the user interface are icing on the cake.
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If you need those then you have a reason for the upgrade.

bryanc said:
Personally, I think Spotlight will be a godsend (I'm horribly disorganized)
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Get launchbar it does it for you now.
Not a reason to upgrade.


bryanc said:
,Automator will make me look brilliant (as I whip up scripts to do everything for everyone),
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Not much more than an Applescript frontend but if thats your thing another reason to upgrade then.


bryanc said:
Dashboard will have some useful widgets to make Wintel users drool even more,
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Windows users can already do the dashboard stuff with several freeware packages out there now.

Mac users can do this now too... with Konfabulator
Not a reason to upgrade.

bryanc said:
Safari 2.0 will rock,
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Safari 2.0 is a very lame browser. I have been using it in every beta seed so far and IMO it is junk.
Not an upgrade reason.

bryanc said:
eventually the OS world will leave Panther behind, so, eventually, you should probably consider upgrading too.
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This last is completly true... Eventually
 
Another reason to get Tiger..

Hopefully implementing some new 10.4 features will depend on fixing old 10.3 bugs...

Personally I wish they would spend 10.3.9 optimizing performance on network file transfers and loading of folders on network volumes containing >10 files.. it's very very slow (if it loads the icons at all).. Really lame performance even over FireWire between two G4s.

;)
smilez...
 
Im really glad they are going to fix the USB mounting bug, Im the only person in my department using a Mac and last week when a external USB harddrive didnt want to mount with 10 people watching it really shot a big hole in my "OS X works with everything" matra! :eek: Plus I couldnt get the PDF I needed of the drive. ;)
 
Just to add to the absolutely pointless numbering discussion:
Xapplimatic said:
Obviously, I will win the geeky award by pointing out that hexadecimal numbering is the way Apple will release the tenth installment of 10.3... so,

10.3 (they never put the 0)
10.3.1
...
10.3.9
10.3.A
10.3.B
10.3.C

:)

(of course, I have not forgotten that it starts with a base 10 version of "10", but OS A.3 would not have sounded as cool as OS 10.3)
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If you were a real geek you would have recogniced that this scheme wouls have ment that 10.3.x would be written A.3.x, which it isn't... :rolleyes: :D
 
~loserman~ said:
You should really take a look at Launchbar....
Regardless of the Hype there isnt anything really useful in Spotlight that launchbar hasnt already been doing for a couple years now.
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LaunchBar is nice, but it doesn't search ALL the files of my system. Or if does, it does it so slowly, it always seems to miss the most currently added files. It is that kind of integration I really need. Having to jump back to the Finder to locate files is one thing I'd like to avoid.
 
gopher said:
LaunchBar is nice, but it doesn't search ALL the files of my system. Or if does, it does it so slowly, it always seems to miss the most currently added files. It is that kind of integration I really need. Having to jump back to the Finder to locate files is one thing I'd like to avoid.
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I hate to disappoint you but spotlight doesn't index everything immediately either. Recently added files take a while to be indexed because the indexing process is done in the background.(except during an initial install or upgrade)
Both use approximately the same mechanisms to do the indexing and both are slow. IMO launchbar is a little quicker than spotlight. And spotlight is very very slow during the initial install and even worse during an upgrade. At least thats my experience so far with every beta release of Tiger.

My contention is that the best thing about spotlight vs launchbar is spotlight is free(sort of) with an OS X upgrade... whereas launch bar costs about $30
But spotlight isn't worth the price of an upgrade.

Some may think that all of the added little features such as spotlight, automator, Core Image, Safari update etc adds up to enough value for an upgrade.
If they think so then upgrade.
We will eventually upgrade too, but not before at least 10.4.5 or 10.4.6. The number of bugs that will be in the Gold Master of Tiger will make it way to unstable for us to use on our 1835 Xserves.
In our opinion Panther isn't even mature enough yet. we are hoping that the 10.3.9 release will fix some very nagging issues for us. Issues that we have been trying to get Apple to fix since 10.3.3.
We were having more than 25 kernel panics a day until 10.3.7 came out(plus we got a newer ethernet driver) but the ethernet driver is still broken and Apple has said it will be fixed in 10.3.9( We are not holding our breath)
 
Ever since 10.3.7 my powerbook has been sometimes locking up when I disconnect from the internet. It wasn't fixed in 10.3.8. I hope they fixed it now.
 
Well, this thread got pretty negative and way off topic.

Staying off topic, but switching to a positive gear...

I, for one, am looking forward to Tiger.

I like the widgets. I like Spotlight. And I like the new mail. Plus, with each version, there is great fit and finish changes.

Now, I know people will disagree. Some people miss Aqua. Some people don't like spotlight. And I agree Apple needs to get serious about bugs if it is going to be taken seriously in the corporate environment.

But I think it is a great step forward. Not perfect, but a great step forward. And consider the alternatives. Waiting 5 years for a Windows update which is dramatically less secure and less innovative. No thanks.

I'll stick with Apple, faults and all.
 
Thank God 10.3.9 is coming. 10.3.8 has been a disaster. Both my PB and my G5 tower have been having problems since I updated. The PB spontaneously sleeps and the G5's fan has been wonky every since the update.
 
bosrs1 said:
Thank God 10.3.9 is coming. 10.3.8 has been a disaster. Both my PB and my G5 tower have been having problems since I updated. The PB spontaneously sleeps and the G5's fan has been wonky every since the update.
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10.3.8 has not been a problem here. Sounds like you have something wrong with your system that simply got enhanced by the operating system update. To avoid problems with updates, follow these tips:

http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html

10.3.9 will not solve your problems. You need to find the source of your problems. Whether it is bad RAM, an incompatible driver, or something else, but it definitely is not the operating system.
 
gopher said:
10.3.8 has not been a problem here. Sounds like you have something wrong with your system that simply got enhanced by the operating system update. To avoid problems with updates, follow these tips:

http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html

10.3.9 will not solve your problems. You need to find the source of your problems. Whether it is bad RAM, an incompatible driver, or something else, but it definitely is not the operating system.
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There is nothing wrong with my system, believe me. The tower problem is a known issue that 50% of tower owners have had with the update and the PB issue is also a known issue. The PMU permissions on 10.3.8 are bad. They have a bug in them that is related to the "automatic" setting on the CPU speed.
 
When problems occur it's often a good idea to make a call to Apple TS. Also, there are usually more posts from those having trouble. So it makes it look like an update is plagued with bugs. Those that have a good experience just don't post as often.
 
wdlove said:
When problems occur it's often a good idea to make a call to Apple TS. Also, there are usually more posts from those having trouble. So it makes it look like an update is plagued with bugs. Those that have a good experience just don't post as often.
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If I only got my info from these boards I would agree, but I know a guy who knows a guy on the inside and they acknowledge that 10.3.8 has a bug with the PMU.
 
bosrs1 said:
Thank God 10.3.9 is coming. 10.3.8 has been a disaster. Both my PB and my G5 tower have been having problems since I updated. The PB spontaneously sleeps and the G5's fan has been wonky every since the update.
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I agree 100% for us 10.3.8 is a disaster.
While I cant speak to issues on a powerbook or G5 tower, We updated over 1600 xserves to 10.3.8 and it has completely jacked up both SSH and DNS
We are getting random failures with ssh where the server stops allowing connections.
 
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