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I certainly hope that the price will remain the same at $129.

My understanding is that we are talking about April 1st as the announcement date. So a guess would still need to be made about the actual release date. If consistency is still a play with Apple, the release date would be on the 24th.
 
i do like all this... its like a volcano is 'predicted' to be going off soon. everyone waits in anticipation. then BOOM! only its a volcano of love and OS-ness.

the sad thing is my uni arn't planning on upgrading to Tiger until at least 10.4.5 is out. looks like us guys with our own equipment get bragging rights ;)

Ive only had Panther since Feb, there are no problems with it at all but i want Tiger so much... is this part of Steve's RDF or am i wrong? i mean why did i replace my 15gb 3G iPod for a 6gb mini?.. and swap my 3.06Ghz P4 laptop for a 1.5Ghz Powerbook...
 
CubaTBird said:
straight from the mac minute site..

"Cocktail is not compatible with any of the preview builds of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, but is expecting to release the first public beta of Cocktail for Tiger in April."

thats it, tiger april 1st! woot! :D
Are there any good reasons as to why anyone would release a system maintenance utility for a developer's preview?
 
aprilfools said:
I am just curious about something. I am going to assume that everyone here is using Panther yes? Panther is indeed a GREAT OS. But apparrently it isn't good enough? Why can you over anxious Mac users not be satisfied with Panther? What does Panther not do? If you are not satisfied with Panther maybe you should write your own OS? This way you can be totally satisfied and not have to speculate about what Apple is going to do. :)

Two big reasons for me. Spotlight to help me find stuff on my HD and the improvement to iChat AV. My wife, daughter and I all have iSights on our Macs and we'll all be able to videoconference (with even better resolution) all at the same time in the same window.

But I still think April 1 announcement is an April Fool's joke. :eek:
 
david_r_p said:
Is Linux completely bug-free? It seems like so many act as if Linux is the be-all, end-all of operating systems...

For my office, Mac OSX (Panther) has been pretty close to perfect. Productivity is everything, and Panther is an extremely productive OS. How does Linux compare on the desktop? Or is this supposed superiority only on servers?

It really depends on what you are trying to do.
In our case it is a huge cluster used for scientific work(1835 Xserves)
My complaint with OS X is a performance issue(specifically related to its kernel) On the same hardware I can get 15 to 20% performance gain with Linux without even trying.
Would I recommend Linux on the desktop? For non technical users no.
 
For what it's worth...

Tiger's GCC version is the unreleased 4.0. I believe the current developer's previews reflect this by using Apple's modified version as the default compiler (I think it was in one of the rumor stories). GCC 4's release is now impending, someone on the GCC mailing lists suggested the 15th as a possibility.

So it would appear that at this point, it would be stable enough for Apple to release it. I seriously doubt they wanted to release Tiger with GCC 4 and have developers concerned about the fact that they were using a developmental compiler on a production OS.

This isn't to say that it will be bug-free, but rather that there may be psychological factors (besides the obvious) that would indicate or cause an April release.
 
Tiger Install

I just had a quick question about Tiger. What are the advantages/disadvantages/difference between fresh installing Tiger, and just upgrading from Panther. I am new to Macs, and also, is there going to be only one version of Tiger, where you can either fresh install or upgrade, because I know Micro$oft has a full version and an upgrade version. Thanks.
 
JackSYi said:
I just had a quick question about Tiger. What are the advantages/disadvantages/difference between fresh installing Tiger, and just upgrading from Panther. I am new to Macs, and also, is there going to be only one version of Tiger, where you can either fresh install or upgrade, because I know Micro$oft has a full version and an upgrade version. Thanks.
You lose all your apps/documents from Panther... If there's nothing really wrong with your computer, I would suggest against an erase and install.
 
JackSYi said:
I just had a quick question about Tiger. What are the advantages/disadvantages/difference between fresh installing Tiger, and just upgrading from Panther. I am new to Macs, and also, is there going to be only one version of Tiger, where you can either fresh install or upgrade, because I know Micro$oft has a full version and an upgrade version. Thanks.

You (usually) have 3 install options when going from 1 version to another:

1) Erase Install (you lose everything)
2) Archive Install (old system files are archived in /Previous Systems), applications, users settings are preserved
3) Update-- same as 2 with no archiving

I prefer to select the install options in the reverse order (when I can)
 
fisious said:
Is this a part of Tiger no one has mentioned. Cute, if it exists, but something I think I may get tired of. If it exisits I hope you can turn it off.

Also, what's the finder icon trying to say?

http://homepage.mac.com/woodhams/images/tiger.jpg

No way. I haven't seen this in a developer version as of yet, and that is not how Apple would implement something like that. And either way, the Finder isn't right (smart folders are purple, Finder doesn't display songs like that, the coloring for the songs isn't right, wrong Apple menu color, the main menu now has a gloss feeling, and the transparency on that bubble is off).
-Chase
 
rendezvouscp said:
No way. I haven't seen this in a developer version as of yet, and that is not how Apple would implement something like that. And either way, the Finder isn't right (smart folders are purple, Finder doesn't display songs like that, the coloring for the songs isn't right, wrong Apple menu color, the main menu now has a gloss feeling, and the transparency on that bubble is off).
-Chase

Good eye - you really tore that one apart! ;)
 
Finder & Dock bits

~Shard~ said:
Good eye - you really tore that one apart! ;)

That's what those developers are here for.

I didn't even look at all the GUI properties. Well I didn't like the idea of what I was seeing, so happy anyway.
 
Quicktime 7

Quicktime 7 hasn't really been a hot topic of conversation... yet
Anyways, I download a lot of movies from DC++ (Direct Connect), and because I watch the movies on Quicktime, I'm looking forward to the update. Not really because of the new Quicktime format (it may be great, but it doesn't really concern me because the new format doesn't equal free movies), but the update does include controls that pop up when the movie is in full screen mode (similar to WMP), which I will value quite highly. What I would like to see, which doesn't look like it will be implemented in QT 7, is a sort of iTunes-like organization to Quicktime. I would like an interface where I can organize all my movies, have playlists (for different TV shows/types of movies). Anybody agree?
 
~Shard~ said:
Good eye - you really tore that one apart! ;)

Thanks. I should've continued on to say that there is no Finder History, that same menu is missing the Special Characters option, the transparency around the selected folder is oddly shaped, the items in that Finder window are indented (odd), that sticky thing is just ridiculous, the info under a folder's name is not that descriptive, and I haven't seen a red, oval shaped (yes, there's round ones) with percent info on a Dock item.

QFace said:
Quicktime 7 hasn't really been a hot topic of conversation... yet
Anyways, I download a lot of movies from DC++ (Direct Connect), and because I watch the movies on Quicktime, I'm looking forward to the update. Not really because of the new Quicktime format (it may be great, but it doesn't really concern me because the new format doesn't equal free movies), but the update does include controls that pop up when the movie is in full screen mode (similar to WMP), which I will value quite highly. What I would like to see, which doesn't look like it will be implemented in QT 7, is a sort of iTunes-like organization to Quicktime. I would like an interface where I can organize all my movies, have playlists (for different TV shows/types of movies). Anybody agree?

I believe I've seen something like what you're interested in in previous, released versions of QT, but I'm not sure. Finding your movies is now really easy in iPhoto 5, but it has to be the right file type, so it's not the same. It would be great if the eventually came out with something like this.
-Chase
 
WWDC

As much as i want to believe this rumor...for me all signs still seem to point to WWDC for a release of tiger.

Doesnt it strike anyone as a clue that on the apple homepage where it lists WWDC it is subtitled "Spotlight on Innovation"...could that perhaps be a reverence to SPOTLIGHT which is coming out with tiger?

I just think that Apple wont rush this release into april...i am still guessing for WWDC

What do other think about "spotlight on innovation"?
 
There's nothing in the statement "Spotlight on innovation" that denotes a release.

It does contain the word "Spotlight" which is definitely a nod to their own innovation. It may perhaps come out to mean that Tiger+Spotlight will be introduced here. But it might also mean (and this goes more in line with a release date earlier than WWDC) that "We will have a discussion on the innovations recently presented."

So either meaning can be gotten from that statement. It is purposely ambiguous after all...
 
JackSYi said:
I just caught this off of my RSS radar: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/20050314/tc_zd/147720

It seems as if this is actually gonna happen next month. I can't wait till I start using Dashboard and Safari RSS.

Sweet.

An excellent catch there! I still don't really trust it as it's coming from eweek. I don't know how trustworthy they are. I don't care if they're a "Mainstream" production or not. Thinksecret (minus a few incidents) has been remarkably accurate, and I would trust them as I know their record.

But a great co-confirmation.

Direct link: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1776012,00.asp

Anyway, speaking of Tiger and RSS have you all seen this video?:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000807035571/

(I think this will be a direct link)
http://media.weblogsinc.com/common/videos/engadget/TigerRSS.mov

I think that's made using the Core Video stuff. Super nice!
 
dicklacara said:
You (usually) have 3 install options when going from 1 version to another:

1) Erase Install (you lose everything)
2) Archive Install (old system files are archived in /Previous Systems), applications, users settings are preserved
3) Update-- same as 2 with no archiving

I prefer to select the install options in the reverse order (when I can)

What are the advantages of archiving :confused:
And not just update
 
SiliconAddict said:
The scary part is if Apple releases tiger that early there is still time for ANOTHER OS release before Longshot makes its debut and not only another release but an 18 month release timeframe.
Most excellent! :cool:

Is there anyone who thinks that releasing an new version of the operating system and charging for it at least three times as frequently as Windows, when it doesn't do any more, isn't such a good thing for the end user? That's not to say I don't like OS X - it is nicer than XP and, for the most part does what it does better, but I get fed up when people talk about how 'cool' it is that they pay $450 in the same period that Windows people pay $150 or whatever the XP upgrade was.

Apple take more money from their customers than Microsoft and the alarmingly frequent operating system updates are just one example. Not only that but a lot of advertised features - new codecs etc. - are free upgrades for Windows users. Microsoft don't expect users to pay for the Movie Maker upgrade, etc. etc.

Now I like my Apple a lot, but I know I'm paying heavily for the privlege, and I'm not going to call it 'cool'.
 
lord_flash said:
Is there anyone who thinks that releasing an new version of the operating system and charging for it at least three times as frequently as Windows, when it doesn't do any more, isn't such a good thing for the end user? That's not to say I don't like OS X - it is nicer than XP and, for the most part does what it does better, but I get fed up when people talk about how 'cool' it is that they pay $450 in the same period that Windows people pay $150 or whatever the XP upgrade was.

Apple take more money from their customers than Microsoft and the alarmingly frequent operating system updates are just one example. Not only that but a lot of advertised features - new codecs etc. - are free upgrades for Windows users. Microsoft don't expect users to pay for the Movie Maker upgrade, etc. etc.

Now I like my Apple a lot, but I know I'm paying heavily for the privlege, and I'm not going to call it 'cool'.

I don't see it this way at all. The frequency of 'major' releases is greater than with Windows, to be sure. However, if you count Windows 2000 (released in '99) as the beginning of the current family, you see a new OS every two years (2k, XP, 2003, Longhorn [originally supposed to be out by now]), as opposed to the three retail versions of OS X since 2000 (10.0, 10.2, 10.3). Tiger will be the fourth major (paid, fifth overall) release of OS X, but will last longer than others as the platform matures. The current Windows line does not reflect this too well, but look back at the previous consumer line to see Microsoft doing the same (95, 95B [OSR2], 98, 98SE, ME)-- that's FIVE major/not free releases in 4-5 years.

As far as the value of the upgrades, full versions of OS X are $129, while full versions of Windows XP Pro are MSRP'd at $299. In the older windows family, the full version was $189-99. You could get discounted versions easily for Windows through OEM channels or buying $199 "upgrade" versions, but even these discounted versions were more expensive than the regular license of OS X (XP Home upgrade [$99] is cheaper than OS X retail, but more than OS X academic/discount/family pack per-unit), not to mention Apple's up-to-date program that MS does not offer.

So, compared to the NT5 codebase Windows family (2k/XP/2003), OS X has had somewhat faster releases, but the costs are substantially lower for full-price licensing and so I don't feel that Apple offers any comparative disadvantage in that department. As far as codecs and the like, your mileage will vary on both platforms (Windows Movie Maker and iMovie aren't all that close of a comparison, and the WMM upgrade requires you to use SP2, which in my case breaks compatibility with the DV camera--meaning I can't use the update). Apple publishes updates for OS X and iLife software regularly and for free. Major upgrades/new versions are packaged for retail sale just like every other vendor on the planet.

EDIT: Additionally, no one is forcing you to upgrade. If you can't see the difference between 10.0 and 10.3, either you didn't use 10.0 or you didn't need to upgrade and spend the money. C'est la vie.
 
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