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Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) due in April?

wdlove said:
Waiting on these updates is bound to be hurting sales. At least that would be the case with those that follow the forums closely.
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But the total number of folks who read Mac Webforums is nill when looking at the entire Mac Population.
 
maverick808 said:
Latest.
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I haven't run that one, yet. I've been waiting for the DVD to show up in the mail, rather than d/l 2.2 GB over and over. From the reports I've read, some folks are having lots of issues, while others say it's in good shape. Odd. Maybe it has to do with whether a fresh install is being done.
 
I think to some extent, the status of Tiger really has nothing to do with it's release. Remember Jobs' philosophy is: "real artists ship." He's willing to have a semi-buggy OS release to meet deadlines (Hint: 10.0). Also, I'm sure that some of the "major" issues could be just stupid junk that Apple is well aware of, but isn't going to fix until the GM goes out the door.

I suspect that April 1 announcement is probably more accurate than not. Above all else, Jobs is a showman, and I think someone provided a list of very good reasons as to why April is a good month to release Tiger.
 
~loserman~ said:
Have had several discussions with Apple about this very topic. Well at least the part of supporting more than 1 version. They are very adamant about not doing it.
What We would have liked them to do was to make a true 64 bit version for the Xserve. Since the Client version wont install on the Xserve anyway they really already have 2 OS's but they don't see it that way. It is a "Think Different" thing.
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By "true 64 bit version" do you mean having all the APIs 64-bit? All of Cocoa and Carbon rearchitectured to support 64-bitness?

Do you seriously know how much work that would take, not to mention the inherent compatibility problems between two forked releases of the OS?

If you're comparing it to the different 32-bit / 64-bit Windows releases, you're not really getting it: Tiger supports 64-bit for unix type processes (which can of course be frontended by a 32-bit GUI), which will let you do anything you like with 64-bits on your Xserve, with no performance penalty.

If you were a super important Apple customer that has regular discussions with them over high level technical matters, you'd know it was a little more than a "Think Different" thing.

Go tidy your room.
 
daveL said:
I haven't run that one, yet. I've been waiting for the DVD to show up in the mail, rather than d/l 2.2 GB over and over. From the reports I've read, some folks are having lots of issues, while others say it's in good shape. Odd. Maybe it has to do with whether a fresh install is being done.
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It's a fresh install on a 15" Albook.
 
Tiger vs. Longhorn

ChrisH3677 said:
...And given the slippage of Longhorn, an April release gives Apple a little more time to get OS X 10.5 out before Longhorn. So when it does come out, Apple says "Longhorn? That's previous generation. That's something to compete with Tiger. We've moved on. Again."
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I thought Longhorn was MS trying to compete with Panther... I mean Xp doesn't compete with Jaguar...
MS's version of Spotlight isn't even going to ship with Longhorn, I heard. Tiger's going to piss all over Longhorn. 10.5 - that'll just be the salt in the wounds. 😀
 
Punani said:
I think to some extent, the status of Tiger really has nothing to do with it's release. Remember Jobs' philosophy is: "real artists ship." He's willing to have a semi-buggy OS release to meet deadlines (Hint: 10.0). Also, I'm sure that some of the "major" issues could be just stupid junk that Apple is well aware of, but isn't going to fix until the GM goes out the door.
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I think that 10.0 was released early and incomplete to tell developers "We're serious about OS X and you need to get on the ball". That's why 10.1 came out only six months later and was free for all users of 10.0.
 
Montserrat said:
I thought Longhorn was MS trying to compete with Panther... I mean Xp doesn't compete with Jaguar...
MS's version of Spotlight isn't even going to ship with Longhorn, I heard. Tiger's going to piss all over Longhorn. 10.5 - that'll just be the salt in the wounds. 😀
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Actually, I heard that MS's fast search will be in Longhorn. Whether or not it's as good as Spotlight....well MS does have about a year to copy. 😀


http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2005.asp
Under "Work Smarter" - from MS, yeah right. 🙄

Also, MS will supposedly include "stacks", which IIRC Apple has a patent on. 😀
 
Frameworks

Has any ADC developer tinkered with any of the new frameworks in Tiger? I'm particularly interested in Core Data and PDFKit. Is there any reasonable documentation in the recent seeds? Also, does the Quartz engine in 10.4 extend to more of the PDF specifications? I believe it was mentioned that Tiger will provide the ability to use and read annotations, comments, etc.

animefan_1 said:
I think that 10.0 was released early and incomplete to tell developers "We're serious about OS X and you need to get on the ball". That's why 10.1 came out only six months later and was free for all users of 10.0.
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I think that most serious developers were aware that Mac OS Classic was a very outdated OS by most standards. Come on...cooperative multitasking? No protected memory? Yuck.
 
timster said:
By "true 64 bit version" do you mean having all the APIs 64-bit? All of Cocoa and Carbon rearchitectured to support 64-bitness?

Do you seriously know how much work that would take, not to mention the inherent compatibility problems between two forked releases of the OS?

If you're comparing it to the different 32-bit / 64-bit Windows releases, you're not really getting it: Tiger supports 64-bit for unix type processes (which can of course be frontended by a 32-bit GUI), which will let you do anything you like with 64-bits on your Xserve, with no performance penalty.

If you were a super important Apple customer that has regular discussions with them over high level technical matters, you'd know it was a little more than a "Think Different" thing.

Go tidy your room.
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Remember your post after Tiger releases and then take a look at the kernel source code. You will find some very interesting things.
 
Punani said:
I think that most serious developers were aware that Mac OS Classic was a very outdated OS by most standards. Come on...cooperative multitasking? No protected memory? Yuck.
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Very true, but with the vaporware that was Copland, Apple may have felt that some people may think OS X will just be another failure. Thus, they release it early to prove that they're serious.
 
animefan_1 said:
Very true, but with the vaporware that was Copland, Apple may have felt that some people may think OS X will just be another failure. Thus, they release it early to prove that they're serious.
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I understand where you're coming from. Certainly Apple's prior attempts at a next generation OS presented a great deal of skepticism from developers. In fact, developers were so frustrated that, when Apple announced that the original Mac OS APIs were to be abandoned and replaced by Cocoa/OPENSTEP, many threatened to leave the OS, forcing the creation of the Carbon API. Also, I believe Apple only released one "Developer's Preview" of Copland that was beyond broken.

In contrast, Mac OS X had 5 Developer's Preview releases and a public beta. I think, with that in mind, the 10.0 release was more about marketing than developers.

As a minor side note...did anyone actually like the Apple Menu being in the middle of the global menu bar? It seemed to break continuity when I saw it in screenshots.
 
~Shard~ said:
First off, if you already know a question is off-topic, perhaps you should look for the appropriate thread to post it in instead of a thread about Tiger being due in April. There are many different forums on MR to discuss many different things.

To answer your question though, just right-click on the file in iTunes and select "convert to MP3". Nothing complicated. 😎
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Sorry, i just posted as OT, don't really know why it doesn't show.

I don't think you can convert from aac to mp3 in iTunes.
 
macmax77 said:
Sorry, i just posted as OT, don't really know why it doesn't show.

I don't think you can convert from aac to mp3 in iTunes.
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Yes you can. I wasn't sure about this, but I just tried it, and it worked.
 
1. Open iTunes preferences.
2. Choose "Importing."
3. Change to MP3 (or whatever).
4. Close preferences.
5. The iTunes contextual menu will now reflect the changes and convert to the format specified in Importing.

maxmac77 said:
Sorry, i just posted as OT, don't really know why it doesn't show.
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It did show. I think ~Shard~ was trying to ask you to find a more appropriate thread or section next time.
 
where am i? did i accidentally click on the iTunes thread? come on guys.. this question should have just been PM'd or ignored as it was answered. and now here i am wasting even more 10.4 thread space by saying this. monty python at its greatest.
 
~loserman~ said:
10.3.9 is necessary to fix a number of bugs that have plagued Panther.
I personally know of 3 that were submitted by us that have finally been fixed and rolled into this release. We have been waiting for over 6 months for these fixes for our servers. Funny thing is that for us they are coming too late since we are close to switching to Linux.
But what the heck at least they will be fixed for others.
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Is Linux completely bug-free? It seems like so many act as if Linux is the be-all, end-all of operating systems...

For my office, Mac OSX (Panther) has been pretty close to perfect. Productivity is everything, and Panther is an extremely productive OS. How does Linux compare on the desktop? Or is this supposed superiority only on servers?
 
Whats the proposed selling price for Tiger when it comes out? The same as Panther?

Also, if it is announced April 1st, and released several weeks later in mid/late april, will that be the time when the hardware will begin shipping with it preinstalled or will that come either slightly earlier or later?? 😕

Last time I heard Longhorn wasn't actually going to ship with its fast search functionality. They were having to throw alot of advanced features out as they apparently werent going to get it finished in time and some of their big businesses customers were starting to push them to get Longhorn out. They may manage to get it back in, although they "had" ditched it - in favour of a later seperate install (that would possibly also install onto XP).

If this April release date is wrong, (and I really really hope it isnt!!), what will it mean for TS and their sources/reliability?? Will people begin to stop beleiving them?? What you think?

I pressume that when Tiger is packaged pre-installed on hardware it will be on all the hardware across the board?? (Im getting at the mac mini and emac specifically here I guess) I know the whole graphics thing has been covered, and that their are rumours of the imac emac etc upgrades at the same time, but any other reasons why Apple wouldn't?? (Just wondering out of chance!)

So hoping this is true!! Been waiting for ever!! Its all Im waiting for to switch over fully!!
 
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