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Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Screenshots... Real?
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rendezvouscp said:
I don't think so...
The awards for Watson were from 2002. The Sherlock that's similar to Watson was in Jaguar. Jaguar was released in 2001. I always remembered people saying Watson was a good supplement to Sherlock. Nobody stole anything.
But, if you want to talk about what Apple stole for Panther, there is LiteSwitch. Press command+tab and you've got what LiteSwitch did before Panther was every revealed.
We haven't had much hype for Tiger. Panther had a bit of hype. Jaguar had tons of hype. When the G5s were close to release, I remember that month of June, Apple had that picture of a postcard signed by Steve telling us something big was happening. This time, there seems to be nothing like that. We've still got a postage-sized graphic link on the front-page instead of it filling up most of the front-page. THE SILENCE IS KILLING ME!!! JUST ONE MORE DAY... relax...
Sorry, but Jaguar was released on August 24, 2002, and even a little bit before for the newly shipping PowerMacs. Mac OS X was only introduced in a final form on March 24, 2001.
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Manuel Moreno said:
Dude if you don't know how to speak english that well you shouldn't be trying to burn people with bad and INCORRECT english taunts.
As to your list, well I'm not going to answer any of them for you because.
A) It's a waste of my time.
and, B) It will piss you off
which is a win/win situation for me.
I did find it funny you mentioned in one of your posts how "task based ui" is the way of the future, were you reading from the Bible of Thurrott when you came up with that? Because it certainly isn't the way of the future unless you're an idiot who will accept what ever abuse MS wants to throw your way. Task Based UI's are a bad "solution" to Microsoft's inability to create decent UI's and programs in the first place.
Manuel Moreno said:
1) An OS X box in a properly configured SMB/CIFS environment browses the local network in much the same way XP does. You can sort through Domains, visualized as folders, and connect to machines. For servers not registered on the domain, you can enter WINS, DNS, or IP addresses directly. Mounted servers appear on the top level "My Computer" analog.
Granted, this system fails to work more often on OSX than XP, but MS has the advantage of actually being able to look at the SMB/CIFS APIs and specifications... It's a bit harder when you have to reverse engineer everything (even if it is the samba team doing the reverse engineering...). Regardless, this is a refinement problem, not a basic functionality problem.
2) This is perhaps your one valid point. It would be nice to be able to customize the OSX GUI more, both in terms of resource utilization and in terms of looks. Good thing it's so much better than XP's defaults to begin with.
3 & 4) "A Leak" Huh? What are you talking about? The FTP browse (or more to the point, the FTP "put") are broken in the current finder. Again, a refinement problem, not one of basic functionality.
A web browser built into your file browsing utility is a bad idea on two counts: first, security, and second, software bloat. The web is a hostile environment, and your file browser is the very heart of access to your machine. Does that sound like a good combination? Add in ActiveX controls that dig into just about every API you can think of, and you have a recipe for a wide open front door.
Above and beyond that, what does rendering HTML have to do with browsing a file tree? Anything at all? I didn't think so. So why include that functionality in your file browser? Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.
All that being said, there is one aspect of the Windows Explorer network browsing that is rather nice: the ability to type a server address in the form of "\\server\share" directly in the explorer address bar. This functionality is recreated fairly well by OSX's "Connect to Server..." menu item, but having it in the same window is nice (perhaps a good use for a sheet in OSX).
To belabor the point, this sort of browsing has everything to do with navigating files, in a way that being able to "use google in the Finder" just doesn't. The burden of proof is on you/MS to tell me why having web browsing integrated into file browsing is a feature and not a bug.
5) In Column view, the finder generates its own previews same as XP. It would be nice to see this extended to the other views. Most OSX applications also generate custom icons.
6) Windows clearly goes overboard with its notifications. "You have moved your mouse. Click here for more information"
Most casual users simply ignore everything Windows tells them since it's constantly bugging you about everything. As NMK noted, OSX also requires fewer notification events because most of the lower level stuff is taken for granted (aka, no need to notify about a USB plug-in) in Windows you need need these notifications, because you can't even take the simple things for granted.
OSX does a good job of using the Dock to display a lot of info from a lot of apps, all segregated by function. When OSX pops up a notification dialog, you listen, because it hasn't been hounding you all day.
Again, more is not better, and just 'cause you can.....
7) MS should be commended for attempting to bring a task-based paradigm into XP.... unfortunately, their implementation doesn't seem to be good for much of anything. While it is interesting to see Windows parse a folder full of mp3's as being a "music folder," it doesn't actually add any useful functionality, rather it just muddles the interface and weakens the file-browsing paradigm. The first thing I have to do to make XP useable is put the start menu back in classic view and turn off all the "task based" nonsense in the control panels and such. Kudos for the attempt at something new, but it really can't be considered an asset.
Hopefully apple will introduce more meta-data into their filesystem (always a hot rumor) and combine this with more task-type interface elements. Apple, at least, might be able to make it Not Suck.
As to help systems. Frankly, they both stink. Neither one has ever turned up any useful info. the UNIX man pages, primitive as they are, do a much better job than either. Hopefully one of the two companies can come up with a help system that actually does sometime this decade (it's about friggin time).
OSX does some things better than windows, windows has a few edges over OSX, but overall the OSX paradigm is cleaner, more easily navigated and accessed by users of all levels, and dare I say it, more beautiful. Hopefully it will learn from XP, just as Windows copied shamelessly from OS6-9. When Longhorn finally does stumble out of the barn at Redmond, we'll see where OSX is (Ocelot? Serval?) and who really has the edge.
[Edit: minor formatting changes for clarity]
-alex.
Manuel Moreno said:
Wow, babelfish does a terrible job at translating our pop-culture catch phrases... I know what you MEANT to say, but man, thats one akward sentence...
Really??? It seems to me you've responded to just about every one who disagreed with you with nothing but a simple desire to flame. With all these responses on your ending statement I'm not quite sure how you'll pull this off. On that note, like previously suggested, if you want more people to get in a long off topic conversation, you should instead resort to understand what words you are trying to insult them with. I love foreigners just as much as americans, but a troll is a troll. If you like staying up late at night picking fights I suggest you go on a Yahoo chat instead of a rumors forum. I'm sure the babel the others have spoken about in reference to you will fit in quite nicely there with the other 14 year olds.
Meanwhile, to everyone else - Another reason I don't think the screenshots are real is because of the "Tiger Rocks, Baby" note. That doesn't seem like the kind of thing Apple would do either, and would be a huge disappointment for business looking to work on macs. They want to see clean and tidy, not techno-ish and messy. They want to attract teenagers but I don't think they want it that bad. Of course I could be wrong too, like so many others have said after Apple Legal stepped in. I sure hope not.
I don't think those would be from Apple, but rather just taken within Tiger by a person unrelated to Apple's marketing. So the Tiger remark in Stickies would just be an opinion from the user, not Apple.
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applekid said:
Bah. I was using an application switcher in OS 9 4-5 years ago when it was part of Action's GoMac, a Windows 95/98 task bar emulator for classic Mac OS. The command-tab application switcher (even with shift to move in the opposite direction, and command-q to quit apps) was hardly an innovation (although it's damn pretty in OS X.)
Now Karelia, as far as I'm concerned, should (still?) feel majorly pissed about Watson/Sherlock: Watson was released on November 27th, 2001, while Jaguar was first previewed in May of 2002, and then released in July, 2002.
Quicktime Movie?
Is this the demo on the Apple Web-site or
the actual Quicktime web-stream you are
referring to?
a_iver said:You were right.
Is this the demo on the Apple Web-site or
the actual Quicktime web-stream you are
referring to?
tiger is grrrrrrreat
tiger will be refined with search and lots of other cool things, the widgets, while still ripping off konfab... the effects are awesome i enjoyed em, lol
tiger will be refined with search and lots of other cool things, the widgets, while still ripping off konfab... the effects are awesome
i enjoyed em, lol
nmk said:
Exactly. And you don't always have to TURN them off, OS X does it for you. For an example Ati Rage 128 Pro doesn't run Quartz Extreme too well, so instead of waiting for minutes to render the transition in Fast User Switching, it just doesn't do it.
While I did vote real, I'm really surprised that these are real. They do look a lot better after the demo though. It feels like Dashboard isn't really part of the main OS, so these different colors aren't meant to be in coordination with the rest. I am still curious what button you do press for Dashboard, I haven't been able to find out anywhere.
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DMann said:
Just the demo. At least that's what I think it is. It's on the Apple website:
www.apple.com/macosx/tiger and then click the dashboard feature on the right and then the link to the movie to the right. To lazy to get the full length URL
rendezvouscp said:
I'm also very surprised that they were real. I also think that they look better after the demo, and I'm probably going to use Dashboard a LOT when I get my hands on Tiger. The colors don't look so bad anymore either. Which button? I guess you can choose, like for Exposé, but the default could be for an example F8?