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Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Screenshots... Real?

~Shard~ said:
I've asked the same question in a couple threads and no one has replied either - I guess no one knows yet if there will be a live feed or not. Seems weird to me if there isn't one though - I'm already making plans to tune into it!

Anyone have any ideas about the keynote being webcasted?
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Just that in the end of the "rumor roundup", it was said there are no known plans for a broadcast:

https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040622155633.shtml

If there is a webcast, no one knows about it. And I believe in the past it has always been announced/known at least a few days before.
 
Real inovation

All those gadgets could be fun or interesting but that's not real inovation.

If Apple want to make some BIG progress and make existing users buy 10.4, IMHO they must do two things:

1) Xgrid technolgy is the biggest thing since OS X itself. It's also a most under-hyped feature. It could be a killer-feature if Apple can implement it well. They could make it work as simple Control Panel - completly transparent for the end users. Also they should give all needed support and tools for third-party developers to use it. For a start they should modify all Apple Pro-apps to use it. Just imagine Final Cut, Shake, Motion and DVD Studio Pro that can use all the CPU power in local network! That could be a real revolution and much more important thing than a G5 @ 3 GHz.

2) 64-bit support. OK, that's bound to happen but the timing is critical. If we just remeber how much time we waited for Classic MacOS to be completly PowerPC native... they shouldn't make the same mistake... they need to move much faster now.

Everything else is marginal...
 
Proof it's a fake

Ok, it's not PROOF, but here are some serious hints. Open the sys pref screen shot and open your current 10.3 sys pref window and put them side by side. See how you have the widget in the upper right to open and close the dock-like area for control panel short cuts. There is a "show all" icon (with text) on the left and then space on the right for frequently used control panels.

Proof #1) It has a show all text icon. There is no space for panel shortcut icons. Where is the dock functionality? You think apple REMOVED functionality?

Proof #2) There is a back and foward button. Why? All control panels have only screen. If there is no dock-like functionality so you cant switch from 1 panel to another without showing all anyway (besides using the menu bar). The buttons have no logical funtion whatsoever. That I can think of anyway.

Proof #3) The search box would not funtion if you were on any screen but the show all screen as it gives results by high lighting different panel icons. If you were in a control panel, would typing in the box bounce you out of the screen you were in? I don't think so. Would it just not work in any but the show all panel. I don't think so.

Proof #4) In the 10.4 screen shot there is only a text icon. In OS X revisions have you ever known apple to REMOVE icons? it seems they only add more and more.

Proof #5) As someone else mentioned, there is no true title bar. Some apple apps do not have a true title bar, but usually only when it has other items that make a clear distinction between title bar and body. Look at safari, no true title because of the address box directly beneath. Look at the mail app main window, true title bar because there are only a few icons beneath making no obvious deliniation.

Summary: To me it looks like they basically just took a safari window and pasted in a picture of the system prefs.

Whadda ya think?
 
Well, sort of dissappointed if this Konfabulator rip-off is true, though I'll wait to hear Steve's RDF spin on it. :)

Konfabulator just seems like such a geek tool, I can't imagine the masses really using it. At first it seemed real cool and I installed it for a day or two and then never used it again. Probably could get into it if I found the a killer widget to use.

I agree things like calculator, stickies and a small calendar could have better access. Remember when they were desk accessories in the Apple Menu? Things like this you don't want to devote a ton of real estate in the dock to, but you need to be able to get to them quickly. So I like the "dashboard" concept in that regard. I might rather see them in a configurable menu extra or back in the Apple Menu. Currently I use a calendar menu extra... actually a mini-calendar should appear when you click on the time in the menu bar...

And yeah, there's got to be much more than what we've seen to Tiger... database file system is what I'm hoping for. Could the people taking the screenshots perhaps not know what to look for in the beta they got and glossed over the real goodies? I suppose they picked up the subtlies elsewhere though. I'd bet more they just have an earlier build then the WWDC one we'll see.
 
It would be in Apple's best interest to show off Tiger to the general public as well, not just developers. They better broadcast.
 
altered traffic light colours?

Did anyone else notice that at least the red close window button has had a change of colour to be a little more subdued? It's especially obvious in the shots of system preferences. The RSS Safari has the normal red close button though.

I''m 75% sure most of these screen-shots are real. This inconsistency and the questions on the origin of the Read Me make me wonder though...

I like the changes shown to System Preferences. In Windows finding the right control panel has always been a problem for me. I imagine the problem also exists for those who are less familiar with Mac OS X.

No-one will convince me that Pipeline isn't a real application. Who would waste time mocking up such a relatively unglamorous program?

The Stealth mode firewall and the ability to capture a log without going to the command line are welcome features. And again, too unglamorous to bother to fake.

I expect the biggest changes in Tiger are under the hood. I'm hoping for more enterprise-level features, better compatibility with Windows and Linux/Unix networks and an evolution in the advanced file system features we've seen in previous updates.

The keyword here is evolution. Apple says Tiger will be highly evolved. Don't expect a revolution.
 
you know what's sad, is of ALL the new features, we get screenshots of an RSS feed reader and a ripoff of Konfabulator. i mean, isn't tiger supposed to be "highly evolved"? why don't we see screenshots of the parts that are highly evolved? of course safari and system preferences should be at a new version. but where's the GOOD screenshots?

if thats all that is new, i am NOT buying an upgrade, even for the $39 educational special they always have the night its released.
 
ChrisH3677 said:
- the Search box is missing its grey triangle.

I would have imagined that the drawing of a search box is standard re-usable code - straight out of a library. For the laymen... in other words, whether it's in Safari, Finder, iTunes or Preferences, it's the same code-routine being called to draw the object - in this case the Search box.
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Well, it is standard reusable code, called NSSearchField (NS is for NextStep). And you can configure it to not display a triangle, by not assinging a menu to it. However, why would Apple want to do that? A menu at least displaying the latest searches is easy to implement and always useful.

Moreover, the list appearing under the search field is somehow strange. Such a list appears on a thing known as a combo-box, a field where you can enter your own text or select something that is already there. Never before has such a list been seen in a Search Field! There is always some other, tabellaric, view (like in the Finder, where the whole window displays the results), but the (possible) results are not displayed anywhere in the Search Field.

Of course, just as everything else, it is something that Apple might add/change. But it counters any recent developement in Apple Software Design, so I highly doubt it. I think that at least all pictures showing System Preferences are fake.

About Safaris RSS-Reader: That thing looks more or less like a web-based RSS-Reader. If Apple implemented RSS in Safari, I'd think it would look more like in NetNewsWire or something.
 
motulist said:
Ok, it's not PROOF, but here are some serious hints. Open the sys pref screen shot and open your current 10.3 sys pref window and put them side by side. See how you have the widget in the upper right to open and close the dock-like area for control panel short cuts. There is a "show all" icon (with text) on the left and then space on the right for frequently used control panels.

Proof #1) It has a show all text icon. There is no space for panel shortcut icons. Where is the dock functionality? You think apple REMOVED functionality?

Proof #2) There is a back and foward button. Why? All control panels have only screen. If there is no dock-like functionality so you cant switch from 1 panel to another without showing all anyway (besides using the menu bar). The buttons have no logical funtion whatsoever. That I can think of anyway.

Proof #3) The search box would not funtion if you were on any screen but the show all screen as it gives results by high lighting different panel icons. If you were in a control panel, would typing in the box bounce you out of the screen you were in? I don't think so. Would it just not work in any but the show all panel. I don't think so.

Proof #4) In the 10.4 screen shot there is only a text icon. In OS X revisions have you ever known apple to REMOVE icons? it seems they only add more and more.

Proof #5) As someone else mentioned, there is no true title bar. Some apple apps do not have a true title bar, but usually only when it has other items that make a clear distinction between title bar and body. Look at safari, no true title because of the address box directly beneath. Look at the mail app main window, true title bar because there are only a few icons beneath making no obvious deliniation.

Summary: To me it looks like they basically just took a safari window and pasted in a picture of the system prefs.

Whadda ya think?
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Sorry, have to be negative and not agree....

#1) When Panther introduced the Places Sidebar, you could still drag icons to the top bar, but the screenshots didn't show that because of course they are emphasizing the new system. So perhaps you can but they're not showing it. There is only slightly less vertical room than on a finder window that supports back/forward toolbar and toolbar shortcut icons.

#2) Other apps like Omniweb have back forward in their prefs, there is a use in that. Once you are on a specific panel, Show All would take you back to the main index.

#3) Interesting point. Maybe it would "show all" as soon as you typed in the search box. Or maybe it would just bring up the list of words and you'd pick a function and go to the next panel.

#4) what text icon. which screen exactly?

#5) Good point since generally metal windows don't have divider, but aqua windows do. But perhaps they just changed things and are introducing a new look.

Not that I think these are real, exactly. I find the gradient highlight icon effect on the Sys Prefs to be very strange/ugly. Why wouldn't they use their standard box outline effect they use in the Finder and in the App Switcher (when you command-tab)?

Okay, that's all from me for today. :)
 
I dunno...

Look guys and dolls...
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty skeptical about most of those screenshots. Some of 'em could be real, but are you telling me Apple wouldn't even slightly tweak the UI design? I mean, the chrome (or AL) Apple in the About Box is EXACTLY THE SAME.
It's not too hard to photoshop the words "Safari 2.0" into a screenshot of Panther.

I'm curious about this "Pipeline" app. I think that's a little to non-sequitor to be not real, but there's no mention of what it is.

Hey, I'm just playing the devil's advocate. I guess we'll all see tomorrow, and be undeniably convinced that we need to give SJ another $129.
 
motulist said:
Proof #2) There is a back and foward button. Why? All control panels have only screen. If there is no dock-like functionality so you cant switch from 1 panel to another without showing all anyway (besides using the menu bar). The buttons have no logical funtion whatsoever. That I can think of anyway.
Whadda ya think?
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One thing to remember is earlier rumors hinted at a more "internet browser" type of finder. Perhaps this what they were talking about. Not saying I like it, just doesn't mean their existance in these screen shots means they are fakes. Personally, I do hope you can add icons on the top or "turn off" this back/forward feature. I like the Panther finder very well thank you. Don't see much need to change it.

I do hope the most 'significant' changes in tiger are all under the hood. Speed, graphics, networking, etc. Dashboard looks kind of interesting but not as earth shaking as expose`. To me Dashboard (as presented) looks like some of the dock changing apps out there. I used dock thing for a while. Initially, it seemed great but I just found it really wasn't something I had a need for on a daily, weekly or even monthly basis. What was package in the OS itself worked just fine for my needs. Expose' on the other hand IS something I use everyday. It is a very improved functional piece of the OS. My only hope is that if dashboard is included it is more than what we can tell from screen shots. Konfabulator just doesn't look like something I would use everyday. Thus, people comparing the two makes me think maybe Dashboard will not be such a great feature. Hope I am wrong.
 
amols said:
They don't seem real. The Expose dashboard looks weird. We'll soon know.
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couldnt agree more :), besides looking very un Apple-like or OS X-like for that matter my little sister could do better in Photoshop. Also, in the pervious releases of OSX i've noticed a general change in theme i.e. the brushed metal effect in Panther, which hasn't changed at all in these shots!

If there not fake, Apple needs to be very very ashamed and i for one wont be updating this time around :p

Edit: Just knowticed that the dashboard pane doesn't have a dropshadow. And every other object on screen does :rolleyes:.

Fake!

Mark.
 
soosy said:
Just that in the end of the "rumor roundup", it was said there are no known plans for a broadcast:

https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040622155633.shtml

If there is a webcast, no one knows about it. And I believe in the past it has always been announced/known at least a few days before.
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I checked my sources and right now, no one knows of a broadcast. Even people at higher ed institutions are not aware of any broadcast.

I would suspect we will all be waiting for updates on Apple's site or rumor sites. Arn, do you have people that will be at the event?
 
macnews said:
I checked my sources and right now, no one knows of a broadcast. Even people at higher ed institutions are not aware of any broadcast.

I would suspect we will all be waiting for updates on Apple's site or rumor sites. Arn, do you have people that will be at the event?
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That's too bad - these things are normally broadcasted, are they not? Can't remember if last year's WWDC was broadcasted live or not, come to think of it...

What would make WWDC different than MWSF? I quite enjoyed watching that keynote live...

Well, maybe I'll just have to sit around hitting refresh on MacRumors.com then for the whole keynote instead of watching it live!
 
amols said:
Look at this screenshot..

https://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif

There is a spelling mistake in search drop-down results, says "Rebuild classic DEKSTOP" :eek: . I've never seen any typos in the menu of any english apps let alone the system software. Now don't tell me "because its an early build, there are typing mistakes". :D
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Spelling mistakes actually aren't that uncommon. For example, until 10.3 was released, during OS X startup we had to wait for network "syncronization" instead of "synchronization."
 
whenpaulsparks said:
you know what's sad, is of ALL the new features, we get screenshots of an RSS feed reader and a ripoff of Konfabulator. i mean, isn't tiger supposed to be "highly evolved"? why don't we see screenshots of the parts that are highly evolved? of course safari and system preferences should be at a new version. but where's the GOOD screenshots?

if thats all that is new, i am NOT buying an upgrade, even for the $39 educational special they always have the night its released.
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i can't believe people think these are real.

now THAT is unbelievable.
 
These trolls did a good job. :rolleyes:

Most Mac users ARE as stubborn as they thought. *Sigh*
 
Frixo Cool said:
All those gadgets could be fun or interesting but that's not real inovation.

If Apple want to make some BIG progress and make existing users buy 10.4, IMHO they must do two things:

*snip*

2) 64-bit support. OK, that's bound to happen but the timing is critical. If we just remeber how much time we waited for Classic MacOS to be completly PowerPC native... they shouldn't make the same mistake... they need to move much faster now.

Everything else is marginal...
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Considering how few Mac owners are using computers that are 64 bit how does it fall into the category of making existing users buy it?
 
Vagcmyevad said:
Yes, there will be a stream available later in the day. :)

Edit- thought I should clarify, AFTER they keynote.
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Well yes, of course the keynote willl be available for viewing after it has aired - what people are inquiring about though is whether it will be aired live or not, which is what I'm curious to find out as well. We all know it will be avilable afterwards.... :rolleyes: ;)
 
~Shard~ said:
That's too bad - these things are normally broadcasted, are they not? Can't remember if last year's WWDC was broadcasted live or not, come to think of it...

What would make WWDC different than MWSF? I quite enjoyed watching that keynote live...

Well, maybe I'll just have to sit around hitting refresh on MacRumors.com then for the whole keynote instead of watching it live!
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Last year's WWDC wasn't live but broadcasted some time after the event had finshed. I remember seeing a photo of the new PowerMac during the Keynote while watching the live feed and later watching the braodcast of it.
 
macnews said:
I would suspect we will all be waiting for updates on Apple's site or rumor sites. Arn, do you have people that will be at the event?
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Yes, seriously, arn, do you have people at WWDC ready to give us reports? You've been pretty quiet about everything yourself. :cool:
 
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