Mac OS X 10.4: Tiger

[fatfish]

The point

A couple people have mentioned after 10.9 going to 10.10. I think this would make mathematicians cringe, since 10.10 is the same as 10.1. It would be a downgrade, not an upgrade.

Depends if you view the "." as a decimal point, it obviously isn't, its a seperator, most people with any common sense would realise that. I don't suggest you have no common sense, I suspect you are merely being argumentative.

 

[kansast]

Agreed

I think calling it Tiger is just a bad idea... Tigers are far to generic and... immature sounding, in my opinion

Agreed, my first thought was 'how lame'. I think maybe it's time to get rid of the whole feline thing anyway

 

[Awimoway]

Tyger! Tyger! burning bright...

A little Taleswapper never hurt no one.

 

[eddyg]

Database based filesystem/finder

And I wonder if the database-based-Finder has arrived.

I'd like to see a Finder/Filesystem that look and felt a bit like a clearcase filesystem with version control on each file and also partly database so you can do instant lookups of all files of a particular type, and instant views of disk usage and distribution.

However the trick would be to do this in a safe manner without risking the integrity of the filesystem. Maybe it should sit on the side, so that if it gets corrupted it can simply be rebuilt from the real data. A bit like the existing search.

So maybe for the version control it could simply be a matter of hooking RCS into the Finder so that the user can nominate a file or set of files to be under version control, those files would then have some pretty graphic showing the different versions available, some sort of expanding thingy.

Cheers, Edward.

 

[fatfish]

Not so

High end hardware isn't Apple's pricing problem..its the stuff in the middle for average people. VT is a highend user.......


Apple's consumer line up is expensive. And there really aren't any options for you in the "sweet spots" So yes Apple hardware and software upgrades work out to be more expensive for the average user, becasue Apple doesn't have any middle-class machines.

I assume your phrase "middle-class machines" to be freudient, and that you assume mac users to be middle to upper class....... what dross!

I will agree that apple doesn't produce any naff machines to compete with the dell bottom end stuff, but I can't agree that they don't provide any mid-range stuff. I also don't agree that this mid-range stuff (Apple's low-end stuff) is any more expensive, unless you conveniently ignore the specs.

I am undoubtedly an apple supporter, but I am not oblivious to the fact that many of my friends and business associates have PC's in the £ 600 - £ 2000 range that they have very little to complain about when it comes to features and functionality. This is not really any different so far as pricing goes when compared with apple's.

The sub £ 500 PC is another animal, yes apple have nothing to compete.

 

[WM.]

Depending on how you use your computer, you might not find use in thos features. A bunch of them seem to be targeted at the enterprise or portable users...if that doesn't describe you, maybe you don't want to spend you $129.

Quite true. But 1macker1's point was specifically that Apple had somehow lured him (her?) into spending $129 for "150 new features" without telling him what they were. First, that tells me that 1macker1 isn't too bright (or is a borderline troll, like I said), because he spent $130 without going beyond the marketing slogan to find out what he was actually getting for all that green. Secondly, the premise of the complaint is false anyway, because there is a list easily available on the site.

If I was running jaguar, and didn't have PCs to network, I would have just stayed there and skipped the upgrade.

Another problem with all of these upgrades is that the new Apple software doesn't work with the old OS: the new ilife only works with recent versions of jag, ichat av, safari, FCE2, FCP etc..so if you want Apple software you need to pony up $129

I can't think of a single piece of Apple software that you have to pay for on Panther that you can't also get for 10.2.8. That will probably change with the new version of Shake, but that'll be six months after Panther came out, and I think it will be reasonable to require it by then (especially considering that Shake costs about 30 times more than the Panther upgrade--$129 is a drop in the bucket).

WM

 

[Gymnut]

Not all. How about OS X: Ocelot

C'mon...I just think Ocelot would be a step back from Apple's tradition of using "muscle" cats. I think there's a logical reason why Puma, Jaguar, Cheetah, and Panther were selected. But then again, what's in a code-name..

 

[fatfish]

How Much

Just out of interest can someone tell me, how much it would cost to legally upgrade 5 PC's with windows, compared with 5 macs with OSX, I suspect the family licensing costs with windows is much more costly, and lets face it, who only has 1 machine.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

Re: the Safari 1.2 on OS X 10.3 only debate

I just wish Apple would at least fix bugs in Safari 1.0 for OS 10.2 users.

I'm a 10.3 user both at home at work, but my web developer coworkers are pretty pissed that their pages that work in 1.2 don't in 1.0 and that OS 10.2 users have no way of getting those pages other than using another browser.

I agree that new features that are OS dependant shouldn't have to be migrated down, but even MS supported IE 5 on Windows for a while after IE 6 came out with patches and whatnot.

(And don't try to say that it's the web designer's fault, the browser has bug's. Their pages are clean and work in all other modern browsers)

 

[obeygiant]

names

why dont they name it, garfield, or morris, or the [hello kitty] operating system?

 

[mvc]

This cat been used?

OSX 10.4 Cougar?

 

[jade]

I assume your phrase "middle-class machines" to be freudient, and that you assume mac users to be middle to upper class....... what dross!

I will agree that apple doesn't produce any naff machines to compete with the dell bottom end stuff, but I can't agree that they don't provide any mid-range stuff. I also don't agree that this mid-range stuff (Apple's low-end stuff) is any more expensive, unless you conveniently ignore the specs.

I am undoubtedly an apple supporter, but I am not oblivious to the fact that many of my friends and business associates have PC's in the £ 600 - £ 2000 range that they have very little to complain about when it comes to features and functionality. This is not really any different so far as pricing goes when compared with apple's.

The sub £ 500 PC is another animal, yes apple have nothing to compete.

just the Apple ones in the middle have half as much hard drive space, RAM, vram as the ones at the sme price. So half as much value is just as good as not having anything there.

And middle class machines have nothing to do with whether or not you are middle or upper class. The demographics of Apple users have no effect of my opinion of the Apple consumer lineup. (But I guess if you live in Brazil you need to be pretty rich to get an Apple, at least that is what I hear from Brazillians.

As noted in many threads the imacs and emacs are a pretty poor value HARDWARE-wise when compared with the PCs in their price class...not even factoring in the processor. And most likely, your friends with the PCs in that price range, if they bought them in the past 6 months or so do have bigger hard drives, better video cards, and faster RAM then the comparative imacs and emacs.

The bottom (sub $500 or $600)..Apple can leave to Dell, emachines and Gateway.

 

[sonicbaz]

OS X Large *****

 

[TheArchpadre]

First off: I recognize that this is pointless and silly and that codenames don't really mean a thing.

[Pause. Selah.]

Woohoo! I was hoping they'd use "Tiger" eventually! I only hope that this is the last of the cat names. Not because I'm sick of it, but because only the greatest of the cat-named systems deserves to be named after the greatest of big cats.

Which does lead into an interesting question: what will be the next codename sequence? Any other animal would be a downgrade, since all the other impressive predators (that I can think of) hunt in packs, making them less impressive on an individual basis. (Not to mention lacking the style and grace of the big cats.)

Okay, you've wasted enough time reading this. Shoo.

 

[jade]

First off: I recognize that this is pointless and silly and that codenames don't really mean a thing.

[Pause. Selah.]

Woohoo! I was hoping they'd use "Tiger" eventually! I only hope that this is the last of the cat names. Not because I'm sick of it, but because only the greatest of the cat-named systems deserves to be named after the greatest of big cats.

Which does lead into an interesting question: what will be the next codename sequence? Any other animal would be a downgrade, since all the other impressive predators (that I can think of) hunt in packs, making them less impressive on an individual basis. (Not to mention lacking the style and grace of the big cats.)

Okay, you've wasted enough time reading this. Shoo.

Dinosaurs?


Take that back: fish there are the bottom feeders, the small ones, the ones that eat all of them, and the predators...there are enough good ones here to make you hungry

OS 11 tuna
OS 11 salmon
OS 11 Sea Bass
OS 11 Tigershark
OS 11 Jaws!

 

[johnsondaz]

$129.00 for an OS?

I think people that are complaining about the OS cost and updates are missing what they are getting for their money. The fact that we get a new OS every year is amazing. Mac OS X is constantly being improved and refined and we get to reap the benefits of this hard work.

Those who compare Apple to MS need to check the retail cost of the Windows OS a little closer. For XP Pro (the only real XP OS, as Home is to stripped down for my taste) it is $299.00.

I am relatively new to the Apple world, but I am very happy with the OS, the hardware and the updates. I can't wait to see 10.4 at WWDC this year and 10.5 the year after. Apple doesn't have to worry about my $129.00 a year, I will gladly part with it if the features are there.

All I can say is keep them coming Apple and if I can make a request give me more interoperability with a windows domain and native NTFS read/write support.

 

[autrefois]

Depends if you view the "." as a decimal point, it obviously isn't, its a seperator, most people with any common sense would realise that. I don't suggest you have no common sense, I suspect you are merely being argumentative.

Merely joking, not being argumentative. (I was hoping the smiley would give me away.) Since I mentioned 10.3.3 in the next paragraph of my post, obviously I know it doesn't truly represent a decimal.

I'm also not holding my breath for a Powerbook G5 soon, and I don't really care if 10.4 is called Tiger, Kangaroo, Warthog, etc. I'm somewhat partial to Mac OS X Warthog, though.

 

[AidenShaw]

XP Pro $145 with hardware purchase

For XP Pro (the only real XP OS, as Home is to stripped down for my taste) it is $299.00.

Maybe MAC users forget about the concept of discounts since they deal with prices controlled by Cupertino, but full XP can be had for $145 with a hardware purchase.

http://www.centralcomputer.com/emerchant/itemdetail.asp?item=ZMS-WI03Q-SC

$144.95

 

[scottwat]

MS killer

I think its fantastic that Apple is keeping up on the 1 year timeframe. Lets face it there is alot to be innovated on and to bring out radical innovations every years is phenominal. And the push that Apple puts on its consumers to upgrade is a great thing. This makes developers feel more comfortable in the fact that if they develop for the latest version that most the user base should be up to date. And I love that they say you have to be upto date to use some of their new software.
Anyways, About the names, tiger is ok, its kind of cheesy, doesn't hold the mystique of Panther. I like the suggestion someone came up with earlier to call it BATTLECAT. Secure the hell out of it. Get filevault super secure. Tighten everything down, upgrade the encryption as much as possible. Boost the use of smartcards, ibuttons, rfid keys, fingerprint readers, iris scanners, breathalyzers or whatever means of security to add to login and keychain usage and mail signatures etc. Go after the server and secure workstation market. When all these companies roll over the old NT goats push a new G5 with a super secure but easy to use OS, like Battlecat. Take a queue from OpenBSD and market the hell out of its strength and security. Run adds that display all the names of M$ viruses with the users that were hit in a switcher style. Oh and include someone that looks like grandma cussing out here machine for whatever virus just came out in the last 15 or 20 minutes.

 

[joeconvert]

Why is this guy even here?

Maybe MAC users forget about the concept of discounts since they deal with prices controlled by Cupertino, but full XP can be had for $145 with a hardware purchase.

http://www.centralcomputer.com/emerchant/itemdetail.asp?item=ZMS-WI03Q-SC

$144.95

You know what? Buy it. Use it. Love it. Just don't come crying to us when it sucks!

 

[macdong]

Dinosaurs?


Take that back: fish there are the bottom feeders, the small ones, the ones that eat all of them, and the predators...there are enough good ones here to make you hungry

OS 11 tuna
OS 11 salmon
OS 11 Sea Bass
OS 11 Tigershark
OS 11 Jaws!

do you by any chance work in a sushi restaurant??

 

[tribalogical]

Dinosaurs?


Take that back: fish there are the bottom feeders, the small ones, the ones that eat all of them, and the predators...there are enough good ones here to make you hungry

OS 11 tuna
OS 11 salmon
OS 11 Sea Bass
OS 11 Tigershark
OS 11 Jaws!

Naw... I think the next series will be birds, man... tacky, evocative "great bird" names... so you can "soar with the new OS..."

And I think they'll stick with the "X" (cos, hasn't it been referred to more often as "Oh-Ess-Ex" rather than "Oh-Ess-Ten"...? So perhaps it will look something like this:

OS X 11.0 Hawk
OS X 11.1 Falcon
OS X 11.2 Eagle
OS X 11.3 Condor
...etc...

(So we'd say something like: "Oh-Ess-Ex Eleven Condor"...). Has a nice ring to it, doncha think? Getting awfully long though...

gawd... don't I have anything better to do??

peace,

tribalogical

 

[singletrack]

Re: the Safari 1.2 on OS X 10.3 only debate

I just wish Apple would at least fix bugs in Safari 1.0 for OS 10.2 users.

Amen. Everyone should upgrade to 10.3 as I think it's worth the money but not everyone has. Safari 1.0 has enough bugs in it and is still widely enough used that it causes real headaches for a web designer.

Worse, you can't run Safari 1.0 on 10.3 at the same time as 1.2 so you have to keep an old Mac or OS install around for testing.

 

[macdong]

Maybe MAC users forget about the concept of discounts since they deal with prices controlled by Cupertino, but full XP can be had for $145 with a hardware purchase.

http://www.centralcomputer.com/emerchant/itemdetail.asp?item=ZMS-WI03Q-SC

$144.95

well Mac OS X can be had for $0.00 with a computer purchase.

 

[ITR 81]

Maybe MAC users forget about the concept of discounts since they deal with prices controlled by Cupertino, but full XP can be had for $145 with a hardware purchase.

http://www.centralcomputer.com/emerchant/itemdetail.asp?item=ZMS-WI03Q-SC

$144.95

First consider the fact most folks won't buy a new computer just to use the next MS OS..and most of them just pirate it anyway...I know I did in the past.

XP Pro at $299 is still more then OSX's home package with multi-licenses.

I get OSX for $69 bucks a yr and office for $129 because I still do classes in school and will probably be working for gov discount soon.