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Mac OS X 10.5.2 Inches Closer... Build 9C23 Seeded
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I'm hoping for tomorrow. I'm getting tired of checking for updates everyday and being let down every time.
Mac OS 10.5.2 to arrive before the end of February:
http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/a...23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/
I'm pretty stunned why people believe "rumors" like announced here
I did a little cover-up yesterday in this thread, but when just taking a look at the comments I realized people are actually believing this story of MacOsRumors.
Why would Apple push out several seeds in a short time period, which usually announces near release, and finally decide to delay it untill they've reached build 9C40? I just don't know why Apple would be doing this.
Second I noticed one guy mentioned the bandwith problem saying that wouldn't be such a great deal, like I said yesterday... At least one person with some clue.
I'm still aiming for a Friday release. Three days since the latest OS X server seed (9C25) has been seeded. No new seed has shown up as far as I know.
Though I am hearing some words about 9C23 (client) still having some little bugs, which might have been fixed already, nobody knows.
Again. I'm just guessing, I could be wrong, but I just not hope I am
I did a little cover-up yesterday in this thread, but when just taking a look at the comments I realized people are actually believing this story of MacOsRumors.
Why would Apple push out several seeds in a short time period, which usually announces near release, and finally decide to delay it untill they've reached build 9C40? I just don't know why Apple would be doing this.
Second I noticed one guy mentioned the bandwith problem saying that wouldn't be such a great deal, like I said yesterday... At least one person with some clue.
I'm still aiming for a Friday release. Three days since the latest OS X server seed (9C25) has been seeded. No new seed has shown up as far as I know.
Though I am hearing some words about 9C23 (client) still having some little bugs, which might have been fixed already, nobody knows.
Again. I'm just guessing, I could be wrong, but I just not hope I am
Why is everyone want this update so bad? What is this update going to fix, that people can't wait to get it.
Hugh
WIFI!!!! I want that fixed.
Why is everyone want this update so bad? What is this update going to fix, that people can't wait to get it.
Hugh
A few of the common issues:
- Desire to turn off the transparent menu bar (some people don't like it, others think it looks bad with some wallpaper)
- Improved Dock functionality - tweaks to stacks as well as the option of having lists like previous Mac OS X versions. Stacks just aren't suitable for all situations
- General stability issues - some people find certain things are crashing a lot for them
- Wireless problems - Some people are having huge issues connecting to wireless networks that work fine in Tiger and also with their Mac running Windows
- Time Machine tweaks - Some people are hoping for a few issues to be solved and for the feature to work in more scenarios
- New graphics drivers - a new update for pretty much all graphics cards will be released at the same time as 10.5.2, people are experiencing some issues with the new Intel X3100 in the recent MacBook/Air revisions.
- Support for new hardware - although in the rumour phase, 10.5.2 should offer some better support for upcoming models (like the rumoured MacBook Pro)
- Networking improvements - Windows networking is very unreliable in 10.5.1
- Server improvements - Mac OS X server is supposedly quite unreliable and many fixes are expected for that
- and more!
The general consensus is that as Apple is releasing a ~500MB update, there must be a long list of things to fix (Apple has listed about 80 specific fixes).
Obviously if you don't have any of these issues or you aren't an update freak (a lot of us just like to know we have the latest version of things) then you wont care - but if your computer can't do things you need it to then you most certainly will care.
Well after reading all this...
I thought Macs were supposed to 'just work', I've had one for 8 months, and although initially blown away by the stability/usabilty of Tiger, since upgrading to Leopard I've been astounded by how shockingly bad it is.
'Quit unexpectedly' should be rephrased to 'Quit on Cue'.
I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.
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and I cannot believe the amount of people who appear to think that this 400+Mb update is acceptable Apple behaviour.
I thought Macs were supposed to 'just work', I've had one for 8 months, and although initially blown away by the stability/usabilty of Tiger, since upgrading to Leopard I've been astounded by how shockingly bad it is.
'Quit unexpectedly' should be rephrased to 'Quit on Cue'.
I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.
= and I cannot believe the amount of people who appear to think that this 400+Mb update is acceptable Apple behaviour.
I personally have been through thick and thin with Apple, since the days of the Mac SE, I have seen Chips and Operating Systems come and go. Sometimes just to get things done I have had to relent and get in a few windose based machines to get the work done (when 8.5 hit the market). Apple have done us and I mean me personally a serious disservice with Leopard, the quick fix 10.5.1 underscored the significant issues. Claims that Leopard is stable are hollow and misleading. My complaint isn't that Leopard needs to be fixed and Apple are taking some time getting us there, it is that for January we have been left hanging not knowing just when this wretched 10.5.2 will materialise. Had I know that effectively I would loose the whole of January because 10.5.2 wasn't going to be ready for awhile I would have spent my Christmas holiday reinstalling Tiger on all my machines. Unlike Apple I take missed deadlines extremely seriously and because we have been fumbling around with our core production software wobbling on Leopard it has seriously undermined our business. I am not talking about some obscure third party App. Like Tosser this weekend we go back to Tiger. This nobody knows when mindset is quite perverse, for goodness sake Apple give us a date, then ship us the fixed OS on DVD, leave the bandwidth for MBA. My only conclusion is that 10.5.2 doesn't go far enough to fixing anything and Apple have painted themselves into a corner.
umm
I will have to strongly disagree with you on that one
I thought Macs were supposed to 'just work', I've had one for 8 months, and although initially blown away by the stability/usabilty of Tiger, since upgrading to Leopard I've been astounded by how shockingly bad it is.
'Quit unexpectedly' should be rephrased to 'Quit on Cue'.
I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.
and I cannot believe the amount of people who appear to think that this 400+Mb update is acceptable Apple behaviour.
I will have to strongly disagree with you on that one
I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.
Difficult to argue against this statement.
I haven't had XP crash for months Leopard, well, it's shameful, really. Leopard even manages to make Vista look attractive.
Apple have bitten off more than they chew in the past 18-24 months, Intel, Telephone and Leopard.
They did drop Computer from their name.
I have mates that haven't upgraded, with no immediate plans to do so for fears of instability.
and I won't be upgrading my Mum's iBook any time soon.
I think XP is a relatively stable system compared to OSX and Linux. I'm working all day on Linux machines and at home we have OSX. I'm not a MS fan but actually XP isn't that bad in terms of stability.
By all means disgree, but can you explain the reasons why you do? I wish it wasn't the case, but thats what I find.
XP in its current form is more stable than Leopard. I support both but I'm a Macintosh user by choice.
Apple has a habit of shipping on a fairly rigid timeline with the intention that they'll work out issues down the line. For the most part, Mac users just accept this without too much fuss. The issue now is the increasing number of Converts. They've been promised computing Nirvana and they get a buggy new OS for their trouble.
Apple pushed Leopard back 6 months which sent shock waves through the Mac community at the time (and it'll be 9months to a year after the first scheduled (blown) release date before it's as stable as an SP2 Microsoft release). Vista, just for comparison, was pushed back for years and most of the non-hardcore geeks I know are waiting for SP1 at a minimum before moving to Vista. Actually the big problem with Vista for us is the UI changes that people don't want and the bigger problem that it broke a LOT of old software. We regularly down-grade people.
I'd say, don't fear this hiccup. Apple always works these issues out in a couple releases (for the most part ;-) )
On the upside, every update to OS X is a solid update. Apple has also pulled off the amazing feat of making software updates faster than previous versions. The 10.2 to 10.3 move was night and day. 10.4 also introduced new technologies that sped up many features.
In the future, you should just remember that it's best to wait till about 10.x.2 before you jump in. Vista, over all, hasn't been too bad though it's release date was pushed back at least a couple years and even so we still have some serious issues with software compatability. Other Microsoft OSes, like XP, weren't really stable till SP2 which was years after release.
As for Apple being stretched too thin.. I don't suspect the OS group is any smaller than it has been in the past. Apple still sells a LOT of Macintoshes. More every quarter in numbers and overall marketshare. They make a LOT of money from OS releases.
Apple has lots of new products but they have also grown and added new positions for these new product lines. Just because they're working on a new iPod, that doesn't mean they yank someone out of the OS group.
ffakr.
I'm surprised by so many people having issues with leopard. I made a fresh install from day 1 and haven't looked back to tiger once. everything in leopard was snappier (spotlight, apps, etc.) and features like quicklook, spaces and time-machine are things i can't be without anymore.
However i hope the 10.5.2 update arrives soon. Some stability and other improvements never hurt.
However i hope the 10.5.2 update arrives soon. Some stability and other improvements never hurt.
well.
Because xp is old and no one really cares for it, they want newer and better despite the flaws.
Because xp is old and no one really cares for it, they want newer and better despite the flaws.