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First post, thought I'd share the seed history I've tracked:

Build, Release Date, Days since previous build
9c7 | 12/18/07
9c16 | 1/15/08 | 28
9c20 | 1/22/08 | 7
9c23 | 1/24/08 | 2
9c27 | 1/31/08 | 7
9c30 | 2/4/08 | 4

You missed the 9C25 seed 1/28/08
 
:apple: PC Lovers, spew all the lies you wish, a true Mac fan knows that any G4 , G5 or Macintel would slaughter the Windoze boxes just on boot up's alone never mind the ability to actually multi-task.

It always bothers me when people talk about boot time... who the heck cares? Oooooooh 3 seconds FASTER now! Yay, I need more RAM for boot time, I gotta boot faster and faster! Come on, give me a break. I never even shut down my Mac, so I guess my boot time is 0 seconds. I'll leave my computer on for months at a time without any problems... also, I only boot when a System Update forces me to.
 
Is the bulk of the testing done by a software that is programmed to execute a series of commands and the results analyzed by developers or is all the testing done by programers/developers/QA ?

Both. Automated regression testing is useful for some applications. For example, scripts can run video encoders and databases and other applications, and see if a string of commands to a standard input results in the correct output.

Other problems, particularly interactions between fixes, are harder to automate. To find these, beta testers are given the product to simply use as they normally use the system. If they see something odd, they report it along with as much information as they can to show how to reproduce the problem.


A follow up question regarding bugs, is there an industry standard which stipulates what type of bugs are low,medium,high priority or is that determination made by the developing team (or even boss who isn't a developer)?

One of the hardest questions in software development is determining "Which bugs do we ship?".

In general, cosmetic bugs get a low rank. High would be system crashers, security holes, and data/file corruptions.

Annoyance and embarrassment are factors, as well as the ease of any workaround. If a calendar occasionally messes up its display, and a refresh clears it - low priority. If the finder is messed up every time it is brought onscreen and has to be refreshed - high priority.
 
It always bothers me when people talk about boot time... who the heck cares? Oooooooh 3 seconds FASTER now! Yay, I need more RAM for boot time, I gotta boot faster and faster! Come on, give me a break. I never even shut down my Mac, so I guess my boot time is 0 seconds. I'll leave my computer on for months at a time without any problems... also, I only boot when a System Update forces me to.

If I had a desktop, I would be the same, but it makes a big difference in class when I start up my Mac in seconds and PC users take a minute...leaving it on is not an option because of the need for it to last all day.
 
If I had a desktop, I would be the same, but it makes a big difference in class when I start up my Mac in seconds and PC users take a minute...leaving it on is not an option because of the need for it to last all day.

Ever heard of sleep or hibernation? If I'm not mistaken, hibernating your Mac causes it to completely shut down with only enough power to keep your data loaded into the memory so that it can boot even faster than a normal boot.
 
Ever heard of sleep or hibernation? If I'm not mistaken, hibernating your Mac causes it to completely shut down with only enough power to keep your data loaded into the memory so that it can boot even faster than a normal boot.
Sadly Deep Sleep isn't enabled for desktops or easily accessible by default.
 
Could be worse...they could be Microsoft.

XP was released 10/2001
SP1 was released 9/2002
SP2 was released 8/2004

I'd say we are lucky with Apple's schedule....months instead of years!

-Kevin

While I generally agree with the negative sentiment against MS, I have to say that this is a bit disingenuous. Microsoft has a different strategy towards releasing updates. In particular, between those dates they released many, many hot fixes that could be downloaded individually (especially if you had Windows Update running). The SP's represent (1) things that needed to be done across the board and you needed to rely on being there (often times new features, etc.) and (2) a bundling of all the current hotfixes.

It's a bit of an Apples to Oranges (sorry for the pun) comparison.

That said, it's reasonable to complain about how the hotfixes are released, etc. and its probably true the Apple's approach makes more sense overall. However, it's not like MS was sitting on their hands not releasing any bug fixes during that time and left their customers high and dry.
 
Sadly Deep Sleep isn't enabled for desktops or easily accessible by default.

If you remember correctly, he said "IF I had a desktop..." ...therefore, I assumed he had a notebook and therefore it has hibernation (If it was made within the last couple of years.)

Nevermind, I skipped over the word "Sadly" indicating that you wish it was there on Desktops by default.
 
If you remember correctly, he said "IF I had a desktop..." ...therefore, I assumed he had a notebook and therefore it has hibernation (If it was made within the last couple of years.)

Nevermind, I skipped over the word "Sadly" indicating that you wish it was there on Desktops by default.
Desktop or not true hibernation isn't easily accessible without a third party application or Terminal commands.
 
I agree with those that have said they'd rather wait and get everything fixed properly.

With so many bugs to fix, and some of them making major features of their products unusable (eg. Airport Disks) I wonder whether they should have released multiple smaller updates as soon as they got each important bit fixed.
 
I'm getting impatient.

This update better be perfect, they've spend a lot of time on it.

This will probably be THE flawless release of an update by Apple, with no parallel in its corporate history.

I've never seen them work so much to squash all issues...no wonder it's gonna be a sizeable download to please all Mac users; this is just gonna consolidate Leopard's position as the paradigm for rock-solid OSs in the IT world.
 
It always bothers me when people talk about boot time... who the heck cares? Oooooooh 3 seconds FASTER now! Yay, I need more RAM for boot time, I gotta boot faster and faster! Come on, give me a break. I never even shut down my Mac, so I guess my boot time is 0 seconds. I'll leave my computer on for months at a time without any problems... also, I only boot when a System Update forces me to.

One thing is for sure...OS X multitasking is miles ahead of any Windows release...I can feel it everyday when working with Windows at work...just open a few more windows and apps than the usual bunch and you'll see it. On the other hand, OS X handles it all without a hiccup.
 
It always bothers me when people talk about boot time... who the heck cares? Oooooooh 3 seconds FASTER now! Yay, I need more RAM for boot time, I gotta boot faster and faster! Come on, give me a break. I never even shut down my Mac, so I guess my boot time is 0 seconds. I'll leave my computer on for months at a time without any problems... also, I only boot when a System Update forces me to.

Mobile Users.

I don't want to leave my MacBook on all the time.

Sleep is ok for some occasions, but it's not always suitable.

Also, some people don't like to leave anything turned on when it's not in use - either for financial, climate or safety reasons.

Then there's boot camp - I have to reboot to use that.
 
I hope this fixes the issues with PubSubAgent .. I want to use RSS feeds in Mail.app and I am getting very sick and tired of killing off that process. It goes into a state that sucks up 100% CPU and kicks up the fans to max.

It has gotten so bad (even with all the feeds turned off) that I was forced to write a cronjob that runs every 1 minute to kill it off.

Anyone know if this was fixed ?
 
This will probably be THE flawless release of an update by Apple, with no parallel in its corporate history.

I've never seen them work so much to squash all issues...no wonder it's gonna be a sizeable download to please all Mac users; this is just gonna consolidate Leopard's position as the paradigm for rock-solid OSs in the IT world.

Just bookmarked this post - if 10.5.2 turns out to be a train wreck, it will be fun.
 
It always bothers me when people talk about boot time... who the heck cares? Oooooooh 3 seconds FASTER now! Yay, I need more RAM for boot time, I gotta boot faster and faster! Come on, give me a break. I never even shut down my Mac, so I guess my boot time is 0 seconds. I'll leave my computer on for months at a time without any problems... also, I only boot when a System Update forces me to.

I guess you never sat on the freezing ground at an airport trying to look up a quick address for directions. Those extra 3 seconds are _really_ nice during those times :D
 
I never even shut down my Mac, so I guess my boot time is 0 seconds. I'll leave my computer on for months at a time without any problems... also, I only boot when a System Update forces me to.

Welcome to the discussion on climate change :(
 
Seriously (on Vista)

As much as I dislike Windows Vista, I do have to say one thing. Bashing MS for charging more for the "Ultimate" edition is probably slightly misguided.

For starters, it's apparently the only version of Vista that includes DVDs with *both* a 32-bit and a 64-bit version of the OS on them. (That means some Vista Ultimate buyers are making back a few bucks reselling the version they're not interested in installing. See eBay for many examples of this.)

But more importantly, Vista Ultimate includes the "media center" functionality which Apple still lacks. All we got from Apple is "Front Row". While slick-looking, Front Row is frankly little more than a vehicle to help boost the sales of content purchased from iTunes. If it's not directly related to material you can buy from the iTunes store, Front Row doesn't really work with it (other than displaying your photos from iPhoto).

I just sold my g/f a new iMac 20" of mine. She upgraded from a PC running XP Media Center edition. So far, she's largely disappointed, because first - she had to spend another $100 on a TV tuner and software just to get back *some* of what her Media Center PC could do. Then, we discovered the tuner we bought couldn't do "time shifting" of live TV broadcasts coming from her analog cable company's signal. For that, she had to spend about $80 more on a more advanced tuner solution. (XP Media Center handled all of this "out of the box".)

Even after we buy the better tuner, it STILL won't tune in FM radio stations like Media Center did, and the integration isn't there either. (EG. You need two remote controls, one for the TV software and one for Front Row. You can't even make the "EyeTV" software plug in as another menu option on Front Row's menu or anything. The two act like totally independent apps, despite making perfect sense to be integrated as one front-end for media.)


PeeCee is that you ?
Just to be a friendly guy don't forget spend a couple hundred bucks extra to get "Ultimate edition" .....................
 
Suddenly 135 bugfixes have been listed and among those are 10 fixes especially for Time Machine. Even the latest build contains 2 fixes for Time Machine, the third one has't been specified.

I think the focus on Time Machine is to make sure that 10.5.2 works smoothly with Time Capsule, which is supposed to be available this month. My guess is that we'll see 10.5.2 and Time Capsule more or less simultaneously.
 
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