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Mac OS X 10.5.2 Not Quite Ready Yet (9C30 Seeded)

More Clarification Needed

I've read in all of the 10.5.2 update threads that this patch needs serious/heavy testing.

How does someone go about heavy testing as opposed to 'light' testing?

Thanks

:)
 
TheChemist said:
How does someone go about heavy testing as opposed to 'light' testing?
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When lots of things are changed, there is a chance that problems might show up due to interactions between components. That means that the whole system needs to be re-checked, not just the "fixed" component.

For example, if a problem in Mail is fixed - then all you need to do is thorough testing of Mail to make sure that Mail still works right.

If you fix wireless networking and file sharing and the finder and change the way the desktop works - you pretty much need to test everything on the system that might use the network or files or the finder, or which has a window on the desktop.

It sounds like enough of the deep "plumbing" in 10.5.2 has been changed that the entire OS needs to be tested anew. That's "heavy" testing.
 
TheChemist said:
I've read in all of the 10.5.2 update threads that this patch needs serious/heavy testing.

How does someone go about heavy testing as opposed to 'light' testing?

Thanks

:)
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Easy, stress test things - put the machine under heavy loads; when a fault is found, don't brush it off and ignore it - report it straight away.
 
eauh said:
Well, after reading all your gripes about Apple and this minor update release, I have decided to move to a Vista only machine. I mean Apple sucks and as I see it Vista a WAY better then Leopard is right now. In fact, it seems to me, Leopard can never catch up to the current release of Vista. I would rather go where the stability, user interface, and security is. Good Bye my old Mac Fanatics. It was fun...

I hope I am making the right decision...:eek:

-Ian :D
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PeeCee is that you ?
Just to be a friendly guy don't forget spend a couple hundred bucks extra to get "Ultimate edition"
* get Microsoft one care (this product always chapped me, it's blatantly admitting that they won't take the time to make windows secure, but they will take the time to sell you a product that should fill in some of the holes"

* Get Symantic (Norton) / McAfee

* Get SafeBoot

* If you do any developement be sure to buy an extra license of XP so you can install that in Virtual PC for testing

* Get Cisco Clean Access Agent


There's your first days shopping list to get Vista started PeeCee, tomorrows list will have the couple hundred bucks to get a fraction of the functionality and usability of iLife and iWork.

best wishes,
~Mac
 
arkmannj said:
PeeCee is that you ?
Just to be a friendly guy don't forget spend a couple hundred bucks extra to get "Ultimate edition"
* get Microsoft one care (this product always chapped me, it's blatantly admitting that they won't take the time to make windows secure, but they will take the time to sell you a product that should fill in some of the holes"

* Get Symantic (Norton) / McAfee

* Get SafeBoot

* If you do any developement be sure to buy an extra license of XP so you can install that in Virtual PC for testing

* Get Cisco Clean Access Agent


There's your first days shopping list to get Vista started PeeCee, tomorrows list will have the couple hundred bucks to get a fraction of the functionality and usability of iLife and iWork.

best wishes,
~Mac
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Thank you so much for the support!

I also understand that I should set aside a whole weekend to make sure my computer is working properly. This will only happen once I get my drivers in order and hunt down, through Google, how to fix all the various errors I will encounter when I start up my computer because my hardware and Vista are not yet compatible.

And, I will also need to see what all the other software errors are at start up too so I can nip them in the butt. Any good program for a registry cleaner so when I delete them I can make sure they are off my computer for sure?

Oh, boy! You have me so excited now! You silly Mac fools and your "it just works" attitude; Haven’t we forgotten that pounding on a computer to get it to work properly is half the fun of owing it in the first place! I just miss that aspect so I will go to the far superior Vista only road from here on out!

Thanks again!
Ian
 
shadowfax said:
Do you have Windows installed? Try playing Counterstrike: Source. Your Bro' won't even be able to play it, or if he can, it will look terrible.

I wouldn't judge a Mac by its boot time alone. Is yours not faster in general usage? My MBP was a huge step up from the BlackBook I had.
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It's quite playable on the MacBook's with the GMA X3100.
 
Eric S. said:
Or? You just won't download 10.5.3? ;)
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I love 10.5, but there is a bug. When the double mouse click speed is set to a slow setting the finder folders take five seconds to open. Once the mouse setting is set to the highest setting the folders just pop right open. I did the bug report to Apple. Now if Apple can bring back or Unsanity can get windowshade to work in 10.5.2 everything would be peachy.
 
eauh said:
Thank you so much for the support!

I also understand that I should set aside a whole weekend to make sure my computer is working properly. This will only happen once I get my drivers in order and hunt down, through Google, how to fix all the various errors I will encounter when I start up my computer because my hardware and Vista are not yet compatible.

And, I will also need to see what all the other software errors are at start up too so I can nip them in the butt. Any good program for a registry cleaner so when I delete them I can make sure they are off my computer for sure?

Oh, boy! You have me so excited now! You silly Mac fools and your "it just works" attitude; Haven’t we forgotten that pounding on a computer to get it to work properly is half the fun of owing it in the first place! I just miss that aspect so I will go to the far superior Vista only road from here on out!

Thanks again!
Ian
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Don't you post under the name "Zune Tang" over at MDN?

We've come to realize ZT posts are sarcastic jabs, might take awhile to realize that over here.
 
anxious

I can't recall the last time I've so anxiously awaited a point point release of OS X. Maybe there was another time like this, but I don't remember, I can't wait to see if 10.5.2 addresses all my little issues with Leopard or not.

The kicker is, I don't even have Leopard installed on my home Mac. I've been holding off for this dang release!:p
 
itsmequinn said:
does anyone know why they aren't required to charge based on the same law that required them to charge for the Airport Update or the Touch Update (Sarbanes-Oxley)?
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Ok, I've seen this stated a lot. What part of SOX *requires* a company to charge for anything they want to give away?
 
eauh said:
Thank you so much for the support!

I also understand that I should set aside a whole weekend to make sure my computer is working properly. This will only happen once I get my drivers in order and hunt down, through Google, how to fix all the various errors I will encounter when I start up my computer because my hardware and Vista are not yet compatible.

And, I will also need to see what all the other software errors are at start up too so I can nip them in the butt. Any good program for a registry cleaner so when I delete them I can make sure they are off my computer for sure?

Oh, boy! You have me so excited now! You silly Mac fools and your "it just works" attitude; Haven’t we forgotten that pounding on a computer to get it to work properly is half the fun of owing it in the first place! I just miss that aspect so I will go to the far superior Vista only road from here on out!

Thanks again!
Ian
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No Problem, Anything I can do to help those poor neglected PC Users.
When ever I have a problem with a PC I've discovered a perfect three step process that clears up the issues 100% of the time, regardless if it's a security issue, driver issue, etc. Here we go:

Tools required: 1 flathead screw driver

1) Firmly place one hand on the PC's tan, metallic casing. be sure the hold is firm you don't want it to accidentally slip during the following steps. (You may even want to "Hug" the casing)

2) Stick screwdriver into the wall power socket.

3) hold on until the slight tingle you will be getting stops.


This method has proven effecting 100% of the time it accomplishes one of the following:

1) Removes the PC from the troublesome state it was in.
2) Removes the PC User from the troublesome state they were in.
3) Both #1 & #2


I don't suggest anyone try this, it's my patent-pending process, other advisers working on the process with me have suggested something involving water may make the process more effective.

but personally I think OS X of any version is a better solution. Sure I can't wait for 10.5.2 but I'll take my faulty 10.5.1 over any version of windows :)
as you can see OS X just doesn't involve the same level of pain windows offers.
 
arkmannj said:
but personally I think OS X of any version is a better solution. Sure I can't wait for 10.5.2 but I'll take my faulty 10.5.1 over any version of windows :)
as you can see OS X just doesn't involve the same level of pain windows offers.
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My point exactly.

-Ian
 
@ AidenShaw
@ Kaiwai

Thanks for your replies :)

Is the bulk of the testing done by a software that is programmed to execute a series of commands and the results analyzed by developers or is all the testing done by programers/developers/QA ?

A follow up question regarding bugs, is there an industry standard which stipulates what type of bugs are low,medium,high priority or is that determination made by the developing team (or even boss who isn't a developer)?

Thanks again
 
Did anyone note that the 10.4.11 combo update came to 180mb, compared to 10.5.2's lowest estimate of 360mb? So Tiger required half as much code to fix it in its entire life span as Leopard required after 3 months. Seems to me that if they'd put the resources into Leopard in the first place rather than channeling those resources into adding yet another mobile phone to the market they'd have avoided spoiling the release of what is in concept an excellent OS.
 
Some new information has just been published by AppleInsider.

It seems like Apple wants 10.5.2 be tested extremely well. Every seed update they reduce the focus area's a little. In the latest build (9C30) this has been reduced to 9 areas of testing focus. Which means we're now pretty near release.

Suddenly 135 bugfixes have been listed and among those are 10 fixes especially for Time Machine. Even the latest build contains 2 fixes for Time Machine, the third one has't been specified.

Given these facts it seems doubtfull Apple would release the update today.
They might even release a new seed later this week to be ready for prime time next week, which seems logical as next Tuesday is the day the new MacBook Pros are expected to appear.
 
Thank G-d. The AFP Client is broken... argh. pahleese hurry, apple?

Not to mention data corruption, MBP Toslink and USB wonkyness, Time Machine, Quartz Extreme weirdness, unreliable SMB...

Then again I have tried my roommate's Vista and it doesn't compare. meh. still, hurryhurry? for me?
 
MM2270 said:
The kicker is, I don't even have Leopard installed on my home Mac. I've been holding off for this dang release!:p
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Me too, and I have an ADC account. My ADC disc of Leopard has been sitting on the shelf waiting for 10.5.2.
 
First post, thought I'd share the seed history I've tracked:

Build, Release Date, Days since previous build
9c7 | 12/18/07
9c16 | 1/15/08 | 28
9c20 | 1/22/08 | 7
9c23 | 1/24/08 | 2
9c25 | 1/28/08 | 4
9c27 | 1/31/08 | 3
9c30 | 2/4/08 | 4
 
Denarius said:
Did anyone note that the 10.4.11 combo update came to 180mb, compared to 10.5.2's lowest estimate of 360mb? So Tiger required half as much code to fix it in its entire life span as Leopard required after 3 months. Seems to me that if they'd put the resources into Leopard in the first place rather than channeling those resources into adding yet another mobile phone to the market they'd have avoided spoiling the release of what is in concept an excellent OS.
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I think somone already mentioned something similar this in another post; but if the updates are this significant maybe it would be very kind of Apple to allow those that purchased 10.5.0 disks to swap them for 10.5.2 disks. I know Apple will offer downloads of it for some time, but I would think that the 10.5.2 version of the disks would include disk utility fixes, and that can affect someone who is running disk utility off of the install DVD's. Heck I'd even pay $5.00 S&H or something to get the 10.5.2 disks.

I love my iPhone, but I wish they could have somehow added resources to the iPhone team without taking any from the OS X team(s).
 
Can't wait for the :apple: 10.5.2 update , just like the rest of you, and I don't care how long it takes, especially if it's done right!

And a couple of points that came up.

:apple: Sure Leopard was rushed at the end, but for me it was still worth the move from Tiger. The overall speed increase versus the minor graphical glitches I encountered still make it one of the best OS's on the planet.

:apple: PC Lovers, spew all the lies you wish, a true Mac fan knows that any G4 , G5 or Macintel would slaughter the Windoze boxes just on boot up's alone never mind the ability to actually multi-task. (Provided each platform had the same amount of ram & cpu speed).

Windows will never be anything but a pale imitation of the real thing!
 
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