My two cents: TM was one of my two reasons for upgrading to Leopard. Within limits, this is one of the best applications Apple has ever come up with. No, it doesn't do yet everything that I want it to do, but it's already proven very useful to me and many, many others.
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Mac OS X 10.5.2 Not Quite Ready Yet (9C30 Seeded)
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My two cents: TM was one of my two reasons for upgrading to Leopard. Within limits, this is one of the best applications Apple has ever come up with. No, it doesn't do yet everything that I want it to do, but it's already proven very useful to me and many, many others.
Me too.
Sure, I feel the pain of Leopard like everyone else around here. Leopard symbolizes what is wrong with Apple nowadays: poor quality and trying to do to much.
Actually, add: "forgot what made them great" to the list.
But, to be positive, I am glad Apple is taking the time to fix Leopard properly. Let's just hope 10.5.2 is the operating system we should have received in the first place.
So it's pretty much certain that 10.5.2 will be shipped with new Macs? In that case, I can see why they wouldn't want to release it without some serious QA being done. 10.5.1 was probably rushed out the door because of the showstopper Finder bug that was never caught, I hopefully we'll see some of the stability Tiger had returning.
*taps foot impatiently*
Well, if they iron a bunch of bugs out with this release, that's fine with me. I have seeing a release brick (or really screw) up people's machines because:
1. That is never any fun for the person it happens to.
2. The rest of us have to listen to their (righteous?) complaints for a few weeks.
That being said, don't marry the update, send it out to us please!
Well, if they iron a bunch of bugs out with this release, that's fine with me. I have seeing a release brick (or really screw) up people's machines because:
1. That is never any fun for the person it happens to.
2. The rest of us have to listen to their (righteous?) complaints for a few weeks.
That being said, don't marry the update, send it out to us please!
This is the exact sort of thing that makes me wish 10.5.2 wasn't getting any coverage. Cause I know we're going to endure a 'not-in-our-eye' perfect update to OS X.
Its a minor update everyone so don't get your hopes up thinking a revolution is about to happen in Leopard. Keep expectations loooooow.
Like I've said before, I've not had any actual issues with Leopard of 10.5.1 in general, but I'm looking forward to .2 just for the new features, including the fixes to Stacks and the menu bar.
I love that they're making sure it's perfect and all but I would REALLY like for this to come out sooner rather than later... not having hierarchical abilities in the dock is irritating and my wireless keeps getting dropped, which is frustrating as hell.
It was relating to an issue they are having with the update which links to the mac pros releasing when the update is released.
Apple doesn't make perfect updates, they never will. If it was perfect why do more updates? Only thing they need to work on is adding new features if there was a perfect update. Better be release soon.
I doubt 24 hours is enough time for it to be tested (unless all Apple wants to know is will it install), so it could likely be this Thursday or next Monday. I would guess Apple would prefer not to roll it on a Friday due to reduced tech support staffing during the weekend.
dont people know that you can change the menu bar and dock using Onyx? Anyway, I have real gripes with Leopard. My MBP takes 5 - 10 mins to wake from sleep if airport is turned on, wifi is unusable on unsecure networks and drops about 5 times a day on secure ones. If those things get fixed, then I will never complain about Leopard again.
10.5.0 seems to have a few bad bugs: the Finder, Mail, Time Machine, and the Login & Keychain bug. No surprise that 10.5.1 was out quickly, and DVDs were quickly reprinted.
Could be worse...they could be Microsoft.
XP was released 10/2001
SP1 was released 9/2002
SP2 was released 8/2004
I'd say we are lucky with Apple's schedule....months instead of years!
-Kevin
XP was released 10/2001
SP1 was released 9/2002
SP2 was released 8/2004
I'd say we are lucky with Apple's schedule....months instead of years!
-Kevin
I'm pretty sure that Onyx just applies the infamous "sudo defaults write /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.WindowServer 'EnvironmentVariables' -dict 'CI_NO_BACKGROUND_IMAGE' 0.62" hack to make the menu bar opaque so it's not exactly a 3rd party hack.
get a grip
The connection between the release of the MacPro and the 10.5.2 update is not even necessarily a real thing. It's a supposition among some on this forum that the two might be tied together. IMO it's just as likely that the MacPro ship date has nothing to do with the update.
People seem to be "raging out" over the fact that hierarchical menus are broken for stacks? WTF!?? There are other issues that are much more important that affect people that have to do real work with 10.5.1, but you don't see most of them complaining.
The loudest complaints seem to be from people upset over minor, piffling, stupid issues.
The connection between the release of the MacPro and the 10.5.2 update is not even necessarily a real thing. It's a supposition among some on this forum that the two might be tied together. IMO it's just as likely that the MacPro ship date has nothing to do with the update.
People seem to be "raging out" over the fact that hierarchical menus are broken for stacks? WTF!??
There are other issues that are much more important that affect people that have to do real work with 10.5.1, but you don't see most of them complaining. The loudest complaints seem to be from people upset over minor, piffling, stupid issues.
Apple is just stalling because they know how pissed people are gonna be when they find out they are being charged for the update.
QFT. Time Machine is like the best App ever. Apple moved from behind Windows to ahead it on this one. I wouldn't mind a few more features in TM (like backup frequency and the like).
But what I really want fixed is the wireless dropout on notebooks. Already, Apple! My MB needs you!
I completely agree, but with one exception. I for one have pretty low expectations - things like no more wifi dropouts and making Safari not crash a couple times a day. I also had 10.5.1 meltdown a machine (it was replaced by Apple under warranty, but still), but I'll consider that a fluke. But it doesn't take 3 months to fix wifi drop outs and make Safari stable (or at least I hope not, less Apple's programmers have really lost their marbles).
I think they should've gone for more, smaller updates in this case. As it is, I can't work on my computer reliably. I'm staying at work longer to use Vista!
They've made the mistake of not quickly solving major problems that affect practically all users everyday. Not that things like Remote Drive on MBA or list view in stacks aren't important, but they shouldn't hold up fixes for glaring problems to address them.
