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Mac OS X 10.5.3 9D12 Seeded

I've experienced two of the bigger problems (requiring a forced restart) mentioned in this thread:

The (rare, but still) problem where the MacBook Pro I have won't go to sleep when closing the lid/screen and then not being possible to "get back on" (black screen won't come on).
A couple of times it has happened that I've put the computer in my racksack (thinking it was asleep), only to later find the computer burning hot with fans going like crazy. This also happened in Tiger though.

I've also had the "one app freezes (beach ball) and spreads to other apps, force quit doesn't work" issue happen two times on my MacBook Pro and one time on my old Quicksilver G4. A vary rare thing this is, but since others are reporting it I think it's a software thing in OS X.

I use both the MacBook Pro and the G4 extensively every day, and most days things are just fine. Over all everything works well, but forced restarts are something that belongs to the 20th century. :)
 
Not very nice to read... :(

Post in the thread "MacBook Pro Freezes after successfull 10.5.2 update" over at the Apple Discussions forum.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1390673

"Over 7,000 views on this topic--more than most on the forums--indicates a widespread problem. When is Apple going to acknowledge the problem at the very least?

I switched from Win XP and I'm seriously considering selling my MBP and going back.

10.5.3 is not scheduled for release until late April/early May and there's no indication that this problem will be solved by it. So, Apple, what should I do about the constant freezing, slow response to inputs, etc.?

If I revert back to .1, I'll have the no-response-to-keyboard-from-sleep issue.

Will it take posts on Consumerist and an executive e-mail carpet bomb to get relief?"

Apple makes both the hardware and the software. Shouldn't there be fewer problems then?
Sometimes I wonder how Windows and Linux work at all considering the disadvatage that is all the various kinds of hardware these OS's has to work with.
 
Maybe it will be here in the next few weeks that would be really nice. The only complaint I have is some Airport issues and optimization could be better.
 
anthonyjr said:
I follow the Digidesign Mac OS X forums regularly in anticipation for a "Leopard-ready" ProTools announcement. As I gather, for the past month or so Digidesign has had people on-site at Apple headquarters to work on the audio issues present in Leopard.

That said... I would expect this is the big update everyone is waiting for. About a month ago a Digi rep posted that they needed a "few more weeks" before the update will be available. I'm expecting some good news soon!

As for your CoreAudio problem, have you downloaded the latest driver update? This is the one built for the new Early '08 Mac Pros, but it's supposedly only authorized for 10.5.1.
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I have downloaded the latest sand alone Core Audio driver from Digi, even though they say not to install it if you have Pro Tools. Pro Tools still works fine, but I still have the same problem in that I can't get iTunes or any other audio source to play through the DIGI002R. It just does not stay selected in the sound options window.

Is there another Core Audio download from Apple that I should be looking for?
 
Mindflux said:
I have no problems with Pixelmator in 10.5.2. Aside from no rulers. bleh
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It is painfully slow on my G5 - the beach ball of death appears every time you perform a small action such as free rotate or undo :(

A great program otherwise though.

The team are waiting upon a Core Image memory leak fix, hopefully it will come in 10.5.3
 
Digital Skunk said:
It's the software that keeps me as a Mac user, so if Apple keeps pumping out the seeds, and revisions, and updates, and new versions then I will stay a happy Apple camper....

I hope they fix the tiny little flaws with their hardware though, like the design of the MBP that limits the amount of hardware one can put in it, and the issues some are having with their yellow 15" MBP screens. And while they are at it they can give us more cellular options with the iPhone.
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I see yellowing LCD screens a lot sometimes by the users using improper cleaner on the screen itself. Such as using rubbing alcohol.
 
zorinlynx said:
You do know you can sleep the machine and only have to wait 1 second to get to your desktop, right?

I really don't get people who shut down every time. Just use sleep, it works great on Macs and is much more convenient.

I only shut down my Mac Pro when I go on vacation for more than a few days. Sleep all the way.
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Whenever I bootcamp (and that has happened a lot since I got Sins of a Solar Empire) I think it's very nice to cut down 1-2 minutes of boot time. Or at least bring the much promised hibernate-and-reboot in Windows feature promised at Leopard launch.
It's bad enough to have to wait 3 minutes for XP to boot. :eek:
 
A few fixes I'd like to see:
- Startup time similar to Tiger
- Faster window dragging, especially for semi-transparent windows
- Faster/Smoother opening of stacks
- Front Row opening on Menu button more reliable (often takes a few tries for me)
- Network Preferences fixes - I often switch to another 'location', and can't get an IP address until I fiddle with it for another 20 minutes.
 
As a switcher from PC to iMac, I was hoping to sync my Palm Treo 680 but still have to use Windows XP under VMware Fusion because syncing with iCal & Address Book apparently encounters various problems. The Missing Sync for Palm has flagged these problems to Apple but they have not yet been solved.

I'm delighted with OS X in general & now use Windows only for syncing my PDA & for my personal finances.

I hope that Apple solves the syncing problems soon, preferably in 10.5.3. (An iPhone is too expensive in the UK, costing £900 for an 18-month contract!)
 
Happy to hear about the fixes, but reading all the posts makes me want to just stay with 10.4.11 on my old PB. Everything works pretty well. No crashes ... knock on wood. Just slow.
 
sweet, can't wait for 10.5.3 to be released. 10.5.2 messed up my wireless connection pretty bad. When might we see this being released? A few weeks?
 
Ive got a great idea!

Why not scrap everything up until when this new release comes out in a week or two and call it......10.5.0....like it should have been in the first place
then pretetend like nothing ever happened-it was all a bad dream

am personally waiting for a 10.5.2 retail-as it was huge a huge and important having it all integrated correctly onto one disc will do
Architects will know what i mean
 
seashellz said:
Ive got a great idea!

Why not scrap everything up until when this new release comes out in a week or two and call it......10.5.0....like it should have been in the first place
then pretetend like nothing ever happened-it was all a bad dream
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So what you're really saying is that Apple should have waited until now to release Leopard? I'm sure that would have pleased the customer base.

am personally waiting for a 10.5.2 retail-as it was huge a huge and important having it all integrated correctly onto one disc will do
Architects will know what i mean
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I guess not being an "Architect," I have no idea what you mean. What does it matter if you install 10.5.1 and then immediately do the 10.5.2 upgrade? Distributing releases on DVD is a resource-consuming and expensive process. I would rather see Apple put its effort into R&D.
 
dal20402 said:
Refusing to upgrade because the permissions repair takes longer than before is completely ridiculous.

It's a repair routine, people. You don't need to be doing it every day, or even every month. You only need to do it when you have errors occurring that could conceivably be related to wrongly set permissions. Doing it for any other reason is voodoo.

All it does is compare the permissions of Installer-installed files with what the receipts database says they should be, and fix any that are different.
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youre missing the point-Apple went and "fixed" something that wernt broke
in the first place, and after 3 chances to get it right they pull a MS on us. I dont care if i use it once an hour or once a year-there is something WRONG in there somewhere when it takes 5 mins to repair permissions, where now I do it in 10-15 seconds with 10.4.11.

Would you buy a car with excrutiatingly slow windshield wipers-"Well it dont rain around here much anyways"?

APPLE should release an OS when its READY, not to hit some timeframe
 
graphics/sleep problem & airport...

I just hope that .3 fixes the annoying sleep problem... or more correctly, the not-waking-up properly problem as detailed in other threads...
I also hope that airport will better connect to my home network - whenever I wake it up (if it wakes properly) or boot, it says it can't find my preferred networks - and yet when I tell it to show networks, there's my wireless... but then it takes 2 or 3 tries to successfully connect. That's annoying.
One more - every boot - asks me if I want to allow configd and mDNSresponder to allow incoming connections. That only started after the last airport update... I'm tired of updates causing more bugs!!!
(don't worry - apple knows of the problems - I just hope they FIX them)
 
I really hope that 10.5.3 fixes the issue I'm having reading DL DVDs. The computer will read CDs and single-layer DVDs, but not double layer.

Since the drive reads and burns everything except DL, I'm hoping it's a firmware issue that will get resolved. Otherwise, I'm going to have to cash in on my Applecare.
 
MacMedic said:
I just hope that .3 fixes the annoying sleep problem... or more correctly, the not-waking-up properly problem as detailed in other threads...
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I think wake-from-sleep issues are problems with the EFI, and thus would require an EFI firmware update. (Or Open-Firmware for PowerPC machines.)
 
zorinlynx said:
You do know you can sleep the machine and only have to wait 1 second to get to your desktop, right?

I really don't get people who shut down every time. Just use sleep, it works great on Macs and is much more convenient.

I only shut down my Mac Pro when I go on vacation for more than a few days. Sleep all the way.
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Except for the major problem MBPs are having with sleep since 5.2... hopefully they fix it in 5.3. I can hardly get it to wake up properly any more. Always wakes to a black screen. The computer is functioning just fine under there somewhere, but somebody forgot to turn the lights on. There's quite a long thread going with this problem (MBP won't wake from sleep)
 
Leopard 5.2 issues

MacMedic said:
Except for the major problem MBPs are having with sleep since 5.2... hopefully they fix it in 5.3. I can hardly get it to wake up properly any more. Always wakes to a black screen.
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This happened in Tiger PPC when trying to use screensaver on G4; also, deep-sleep mode didn't work when a USB2.0-PCI card was installed. Both issues are gone in Leopard PPC.

Big issue now is that folder contents displayed in List view have modification-dates that are sometimes incorrectly displayed. When the date column is expanded, dates show correctly. When the column is compacted, months become replaced by the digit 1 (ie January).
 
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snorkeller1 said:
Big issue now is that folder contents displayed in List view have modification-dates that are sometimes incorrectly displayed. When the date column is expanded, dates show correctly. When the column is compacted, months become replaced by the digit 1 (ie January).
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That's more of a feature than an issue. The date defaults to say "4/1/08" because there's not enough room in the column to show "April 1 , 2008"
 
Peace said:
That's more of a feature than an issue. The date defaults to say "4/1/08" because there's not enough room in the column to show "April 1 , 2008"
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Of course I'm talking about having set Date Preferences to Day/Month/Year format, and the months in digit form displaying invariably as "1". Anyway, fiddling with Date/Time seems to have fixed it, but it's surprising that this quirk occurred at all :}

Edit: Nope, it's not fixed, and at least one other application (iGetter) is affected as well. Seems like it's a bug acknowledged by Apple as 'incompatible regions' under Date/Time's International-Format option. The work-around seems to be to use 'compatible' regions, such as United Kingdom (for dd-mm-yy date format).
 
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