Part of what I like about iCal is its simplicity. I use it all the time and it works. I do agree that it will not update soon (at least substantially) because it would require more changes to MobileMe (which might be risky until everything is completely stabilized).
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Mac OS X 10.5.5 9F23 and New Safari 4 Seeded to Developers
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Part of what I like about iCal is its simplicity. I use it all the time and it works. I do agree that it will not update soon (at least substantially) because it would require more changes to MobileMe (which might be risky until everything is completely stabilized).
i hope SWFAddress will still work well with Safari 4.0... it always worries me when a new browser version is released that it will some how ruin it.
Before I start, I'm not trying to start some crap here, I genuinely don't know the answer here.
I don't follow Safari much, or the browser wars for that matter, but by exactly what you said, doesn't that mean Firefox is based on open standards, whereas Apple is attempting to do an external lockdown. By preventing third-party apps, doesn't that, for all intents and purposes, limit the browser effectiveness? By attempting to do everything that FF plug-ins can, without the actual need for plug-ins, doesn't that make it more costly and less time-efficient for Apple in the first place?
I mean I still love Apple, but anybody apart from the usual fanboys know that Apple is a genius at locking their consumers in (this of course is one of the defining points of argument by Windows or Linux users), it's what they do as that's how they specifically need to make profits.
You should really make it a habit to not comment on things that you clearly don't really comprehend.
These added new features will be apart of the next CSS specification, and will be very handy for web designer that want to produce better looking and more sophisticated websites. Little by little all web browsers will support these new features, some faster than other (IE I'm looking at you.)
The reason it's coming to Safari so quickly is because WebKit is very quick to incorporate new features. It's what made it so attractive to Apple when they were looking for a rendering engine for their web browser (Safari), and the reason it's being looked at more and more for mobile web browsers.
Now go back to being a fan boy.
That right there is why Apple has a market share of 5%.
Yeah, that's what was said about Netscape back in the day. Blink, frames, marquee! The future! Rubbish.
Oh sweet irony.
I just hope safari will have bookmark separators like other browsers. This is a little feature that makes me use firefox instead of safari 
And what logic do you want Safari to use to determine that a site is "dangerous"?
I'd rather Apple add a feature to Mail that alerts the user when a link is not what it claims to be. For example:
http://www.microsoft.com
That's where people really get phished in.
Sweet jesus!
Why is there no "I hope this will make Safari Snappier!" comment yet!
Hell has just frozen over
Why is there no "I hope this will make Safari Snappier!" comment yet!
Hell has just frozen over
What does this have to do with Apple? These are CSS3 specifications, that are being drafted by W3C. Which has nothing to do with do with Apple. So let's review:
- Apple hasn't developed these features.
- Apple hasn't even implemented them into Safari, they've been added by default because Safari uses WebKit, which is independent of Apple.
These features are not proprietary and are openly available to all web browsers. They will make it into Firefox, Opera, and even Internet Explorer.
It never gets posted when Safari will actually in real life get "significantly snappier", only when some minimal bug fix is taunting users to detect the most minor of changes in the Safari snappy experience. You see this is a very complicated thing, this "Safari is snappier" mantra.
Rocketman
Fine, I'll sacrifice my reputation on this one.
Hey guys, I just got ahold of 4.0 and it seems snappier!!
Faster is nice but I'd rather that they fixed the bugs!
The title pretty much says it all. Safari on iPhone is buggy as hell, crashes way to much and does some rather strange things. So I do hope the bugs are addressed first. A few features wouldn't hurt either including a search function and a button to scroll to the end of a page. Touch as an interface is rather nice except when moving around in large documents, getting to the end of a long page such as these forums is more of a pain than I think Apple realizes.
Dave
Just to bring this home for people who miss hearing iPhone news: IIRC, iPhone Safari doesn't yet use SquirrelFish, so it too stands to get faster in future
The title pretty much says it all. Safari on iPhone is buggy as hell, crashes way to much and does some rather strange things. So I do hope the bugs are addressed first. A few features wouldn't hurt either including a search function and a button to scroll to the end of a page. Touch as an interface is rather nice except when moving around in large documents, getting to the end of a long page such as these forums is more of a pain than I think Apple realizes.
Dave
actually it will be snappier!
It is not hell freezing over it is just the reality that in this case it really will be snappier. It is not just an unsubstantiated opinion either and can be verified by anyone downloading and running WebKit.
Frankly it has been a month or two since I've downloaded a nightly but they have made great strides. Interestingly the Firefox people are now claiming good improvements in their interpetter also. With the standard for ECMA script stable I think we will be seeing much more in the way of browser optimization. Browser are a key part of a good user experience on modern computers and the vendors know this. So I expect to see things getting snappier, cleaner and more efficent for the user for some time to come.
Dave
It is not hell freezing over it is just the reality that in this case it really will be snappier. It is not just an unsubstantiated opinion either and can be verified by anyone downloading and running WebKit.
Frankly it has been a month or two since I've downloaded a nightly but they have made great strides. Interestingly the Firefox people are now claiming good improvements in their interpetter also. With the standard for ECMA script stable I think we will be seeing much more in the way of browser optimization. Browser are a key part of a good user experience on modern computers and the vendors know this. So I expect to see things getting snappier, cleaner and more efficent for the user for some time to come.
Dave
Safari: Jaguar & Panther, Safari 2: Tiger, Safari 3: Leopard, Safari 4???
i'm surprised to see Safari getting updated so quickly. historically Safari has slowly made point releases. most notably was Safari 2's RSS aggregator and Safari 3's new standards. perhaps growing Safari marketshare is the reason behind the ramped improvements? iPhone Safari and the semi-auto iTunes added download?
i'm surprised to see Safari getting updated so quickly. historically Safari has slowly made point releases. most notably was Safari 2's RSS aggregator and Safari 3's new standards. perhaps growing Safari marketshare is the reason behind the ramped improvements? iPhone Safari and the semi-auto iTunes added download?
apple: please fix the proxy authentication for windows safari. anyone behind a secured government network cant use it in its current public build. please fix this!! if anyone knows if they fixed this, please tell.
Same here, the Today button isn't broken. I don't know what that other guy is talking about but I'm not having any issues with it.
I can understand why it might seem this way to someone not following the browser wars. But it turns out that the standards that browsers are based on are things like HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT, DOM, ECMAscript (a.k.a. JavaScript)... Sometimes browsers add features that eventually make it into the specifications for these standards. The Firefox extension API is not based on an open standard. It's Firefox-specific, much like the ActiveX API is proprietary to IE. So it's not really right to compare it to actual browser standards like you have. I mean, if you can accuse Apple of attempting to lock down external apps by not supporting the Firefox extension API, then you can also accuse Firefox of trying to lock down extetrnal app developers by not having ActiveX support.
While you can do some amazing things with FF's extension API, it's not really related to the open standards debate at all.
Hello,
first timer on this forum! I've been following this site for a couple of months now and i love it!
Ok,
My gf and I owns a MacBook Pro 17'' bought in may 08. We have issues with the Airport regarding that it from times to times start scanning the network causing the speed of the browsing to slow down. It is really an annoying issus.
I've looked alot on the internet on other sites and some ppl seems to have the same problem...
We've tried every possible solutions found on the internet ( updating router, changing the channel of our router ... )
Any of you trying the new release can tell me if Apple corrected this?
Thanks for the informations.
Great board
first timer on this forum! I've been following this site for a couple of months now and i love it!
Ok,
My gf and I owns a MacBook Pro 17'' bought in may 08. We have issues with the Airport regarding that it from times to times start scanning the network causing the speed of the browsing to slow down. It is really an annoying issus.
I've looked alot on the internet on other sites and some ppl seems to have the same problem...
We've tried every possible solutions found on the internet ( updating router, changing the channel of our router ... )
Any of you trying the new release can tell me if Apple corrected this?
Thanks for the informations.
Great board
I find that Mail does that very well for me. When I let the cursor hover over the url shown in the email, it lets me see if the link matched the shown address, which it doesn't when it's a phising link.
Looking forward to 10.5.5 and Safari 4. Bring on Snow Leopard!!! MW '09
It seems there is rapid production of 10.5.5 builds which is showing progress and an imminent release. Late September hopefully...
It seems there is rapid production of 10.5.5 builds which is showing progress and an imminent release. Late September hopefully...
I like how it's scoring a 98% on the Acid3 test. Only the second-to-last box is failing to render the proper color.
The first run got 3 "pass-but-slow" notifications.
Subsequent runs got only 1 "pass-but-slow" notification.
Almost there... keep it up!
The first run got 3 "pass-but-slow" notifications.
Subsequent runs got only 1 "pass-but-slow" notification.
Almost there... keep it up!
Kind of sucks how this build is less stable than the original Safari 4 DP1 build. Perhaps turning off QuartzGL support for Safari will help (I have it enabled system-wide, but one can add a 'Disable For This App' flag to the info.plist of any app). However, Safari uses more text than any other app, so it would be nice if it worked with QuartzGL. Sad to see that Apple just gave up on QuartzGL--it could have been cool.