I think you misunderstood me - Its not that I can't fix it -- but if I have to sit there for a week trying to pin down what exactly went wrong for no apparent reason (ie one day it works, next day it all goes to hell w/o you installing/changing anything) -- if it takes that long to find out what's the stupid problem, it takes less time to wipe, reinstall, recover and continue working. Either way, my point still stands; compared to Panther and Tiger, Leopard is a buggy turd.
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Mac OS X 10.5.6 Release Imminent... Friday?
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I think you misunderstood me - Its not that I can't fix it -- but if I have to sit there for a week trying to pin down what exactly went wrong for no apparent reason (ie one day it works, next day it all goes to hell w/o you installing/changing anything) -- if it takes that long to find out what's the stupid problem, it takes less time to wipe, reinstall, recover and continue working. Either way, my point still stands; compared to Panther and Tiger, Leopard is a buggy turd.
The fact of the matter is: Leopard is ROCK-SOLID at least since 10.5.3. I don't even know what could be improved in terms of a x.x.6 release...this OS is awesomely stable. There has been absolutely NO issue to report for a long time already...my iMac is a pleasure to use.
GO APPLE!
GO APPLE!
in French: Bingo! ,on ai de plus en plus proche de Snow leopard, cans il' y aura 10.5.8, je serais prais pour le nouveau animal de AAPL,
Ooops: "On s'approche de plus en plus de Snow Leopard. Quand 10.5.8 arrivera, je serai prêt pour le nouvel animal d'Apple"
Never On Fridays
You seldom see anything released on fridays, they are to busy thinking about getting home for the weekend. Mondays are not much better for different reasons. That leaves about three days a week anything gets done. This is true of just about any business out there.
You seldom see anything released on fridays, they are to busy thinking about getting home for the weekend. Mondays are not much better for different reasons. That leaves about three days a week anything gets done. This is true of just about any business out there.
10.6 will only be 10.5 with a bunch of new OS technology added, which means it's likely to be more unstable until they get the bugs in the new stuff fixed.
For me, 10.5 has been the most solid MacOS yet - although I still really miss Classic mode.
You think 10.6 is going to be an unstable release?! They are refining Leopard, so it will be one of the most stable OS releases ever.
What does "refining" mean? They're adding a bunch of new stuff and new stuff always has bugs, so yes, 10.6 will be more unstable than 10.5.x, at least initially.
I actually keep a running count of these things, and here it is:
10.0.1 - 10.0.4: Saturday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
10.1.1 - 10.1.5: Tuesday (twice), Wednesday, Thursday (twice)
10.2.1 - 10.2.8: Monday (twice), Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (3 times), Friday
10.3.1 - 10.3.9: Monday (3 times), Wednesday (4 times), Friday (twice)
10.4.1 - 10.4.11: Monday (3 times), Tuesday (5 times), Wednesday (twice), Friday
10.5.1 - 10.5.5: Monday (twice), Wednesday (twice), Thursday
If I count correctly, that works out to:
Saturday: 1 (the very first update, 10.0.1)
Monday: 10
Tuesday: 9
Wednesday: 11
Thursday: 7
Friday: 4
Make of that what you will.
Refining.
They aren't just adding a bunch of "new stuff" - they are enhancing a lot of it too. Going from Tiger to Leopard was dodgy, 10.5.0 was pretty buggy to say the least.
However, because 10.6 is concentrating on improvements and performance fixes rather than new features (like GUI facelift, new Dock, Spaces etc etc) then it will be a much more stable release than 10.5.0 was.
I'm not saying 10.6 isn't going to be bug free, but it will be stable.
As long as Apple doesn't seem to be able to solve the **** Airport problems I won't say that Leopard is rock-solid.
More solid than Panther? I don't think so. That was Apple's best OS in terms of its full lifespan IMHO. Tiger was great at the end but was a basket case when it was launched.
Leopard can't be classified as "Rock Solid" when 9/10 I have to force quit Mail to reboot, or Safari constantly beach balls.
Exactly. You have those issues, not everyone else.
I've never had to force quit Mail. Try resetting Safari.
Ahh yes I remember seeing that before.
In terms of people arguing about stable and what not it really depends on what you use most etc. etc.
For me:
PPC Panther - Tiger (yes 10.4.0 included) where bug free and very stable.
Intel Tiger - Leopard 10.5.4 buggy as hell.
Intel Leopard 10.5.5 stable
Of course ymmv
There are about 25 definitions there. But 10.6 is not just a "refinement"; just because the changes may not be visible doesn't mean there isn't a ton of new code to implement OpenCL, Grand Central, 64-bit compatibility, etc.
Any way you phrase it, they're adding a bunch of new code. That always increases instability initially.
It may well be more stable than 10.5.0 was, but it will be less stable than whatever 10.5.x we're at when 10.6 is released.
Panther was particularly buggy for virtual private network software that I use a lot. That got fixed in Tiger. I used to see kernel panics once in a while in Tiger but never in Leopard (have been using Leopard since 10.5.2).
Except that originally I had mistakenly listed a Sunday update, and it was actually on Monday.
Yeah, the general definition is concentrating on making it as pure as possible (taking out the rough edges etc).
You don't think Apple are adding new code to the 10.5.x releases either eh?
I agree it won't be as stable as the latest 10.5.x patch when SL is released - but your original post said 10.6.0 would be unstable, not "as stable". Unstable makes it sound like a disaster waiting to happen.
Sure, some. MobileMe support, for example (but look how that turned out at first). But not nearly as much new code as 10.6 will contain.
I don't think it said that. What I said was that 10.6 is "likely to be more unstable [i.e., than the current 10.5.x version] until they get the bugs in the new stuff fixed."
DAng.. what happened?
Aw, it never happened! Well, we know 10.5.6 is coming, anyway. That was a (fairly) hot rumor, though, by that I mean substantiated at least. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait a few more days.
Aw, it never happened! Well, we know 10.5.6 is coming, anyway. That was a (fairly) hot rumor, though, by that I mean substantiated at least. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait a few more days.
You're lucky. I have a list of problems as long as my arm for all our PPC machines.
It could be problems related to PPC, because my intel Core Duo 2
iMac does not have any issue and works pretty good and fast.