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Mac OS X 10.5.6 Release Imminent... Friday?
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Now running on QS 933s and PB 1.25s. Problems are the worst on the oldest stuff, which is to be expected, I suppose.
Seriously, the entire 10.5 experience for us has been terrible. We have one XP box left that we keep up-to-date ...quite old. It's starting to get used more and more. Our main reason for staying with Apple has been increased productivity using OS X. We are spending way too much time trying to recover from application and system crashes, hangs, etc. We still haven't lost any work, but that is simply due to a good backup system.
We have a room full of old Macs, all the way back to the 128, and we never had problems with any of them like we are having with 10.5. I say just "10.5" as no version of it has even been close to the stability of other versions of OS X ...perhaps better than the first version of OS X ...too long ago to remember now.
I have a question for all of you who have time to stayed tuned in to what Apple is up to: Is Snow Leopard going to be an "Intel only" system, or are they going to allow the old PPC machines one more chance?
Anyone know? We have a budget to figure, and right now there is certainly no room for new hardware, although perhaps used if the prices were right.
Thanks. We were afraid of that. Perhaps it's a good time to dump our PPC machines, as they will certainly drop in value once SL is released.
Why would you even think of....
Why would you even think of applying a major OS update right before going away on a trip?
With each update, a small percentage of users do report some major problems. Why take the chance that you might be in that small percentage?
Now I can't update becuase i'll be traveling. Oh well
Why would you even think of applying a major OS update right before going away on a trip?
With each update, a small percentage of users do report some major problems. Why take the chance that you might be in that small percentage?
No, or that I personally haven't even been able to run Safari for more than 3-6 minutes before it shuts down since two security updates ago, or that some update screwed up my battery, I wouldn't exactly call it "rock solid" either.
Ditto for me. I've NEVER had any issues with Mail or Safari; in fact, I've never seen Mail crash on me...EVER.
But, Mr. Lawyer, you obviously live a charmed life.
In the real world, though, some people do have problems with their Apples. Most don't, but a percentage of users do. (Actually, it's probably safer to say that most Apple users have some problems, but for any particular problem only a small percentage see it.)
Comments of the nature "works perfectly for me" don't add to the dialogue....
Perpetually-biased negative comments like yours don't add anything either, Mr. Shaw (or is it Enderle?). If I have no problems with Mail or Safari, I am entitled to talk about this fact. Indeed, 10.5.5 has worked flawlessly on my iMac, and I have ZERO bugs to report with a daily usage that involves MS Office, Time Machine, 4 peripherals connected to it, video encoding apps, top games and other assorted software.
You have little to no objective knowledge about Macs, so I understand the difficulty that you have in accepting the superior experience that we enjoy. I have recently shown at least 5 direct friends and work colleagues to the Apple world, and they all tell me they don't even THINK about having a PC again with their horror stories of inferior performance, ugly design, viruses, bloatware, reinstalls and constant crashes. THIS is a fact of our seemingly "charmed" lives. As for me, it's simply evidence of my excellent experience with Apple computers since 1995.
Once more, people may face issues with their specific setups...but don't come and tell me they represent the majority or even a sizeable portion of users.
The happy ones are normally silent, so I think it's only fair to show new users and wannabe switchers that life is good out there. In any case, you're welcome to provide us with amusing Apple Death Knell stories...they are always funny.
I guess it just depends on what applications you run. I have Leopard on my G4 Sawtooth, which has been only minimally upgraded: Sonnet 1.0 GHz CPU upgrade, 1.3 GB RAM, Radeon 9800 Pro, SATA drive. I find that performance is comparable to Tiger (I don't stress it too much), and I never see the panics that I saw occasionally with Tiger. I've been using Leopard since 10.5.2 and the only thing I miss is Classic.
Safari is 100% stable for me, but Mail... well, that freezes every time I try quitting it... Few IMAP accounts in it.
I use the http plug in which I think causes alot of the problems also with mail. I have since moved away from my msn account. I still check it to look for emails from people I have forgotten to send the notice of new email address to. But for the most part I have a pretty stable OS. I haven't had any problem with it in a very looooong time.
Well, if you feel like throwing up on your Macs, maybe it's time to buy a PC and enjoy a "world without walls" again. Nobody cares about your "balanced" opinion either.
I never said OS X was bug-free, I said the experience was pretty much flawless FOR ME. So if I don't have problems with Safari, Mail, TM or Airport, why do I have to invent them? Just to give you the impression that Macs are full of problems as well, or in order to pretend that Mac fanboys have no reason to exist? NO.
PCs sucked for me and continue to suck at work. OTOH, Macs just work, even if I've had need for maintenance with past machines and systems, just like anyone else. I am talking here about my CURRENT experience with my iMac and Leopard, which is virtually perfect.
If yours is not, go check your setup, your add-ons, your plug-ins...and don't forget to repair permissions as well. But don't try to block MY positive opinion of the best OS on Earth.
My 5 other colleagues who have just switched could not be happier, by the way; most probably because they KNOW the difference between their old world and the new one...and also because they don't necessarily have to accept the glib negativistic views of people like you on MR. Problems exist? Yes. But people happy with their Macs do, too. So don't try to shut our positive opinions here.
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i have been waiting for it. leopard works well on my PPC. but there are stills many problems needed to be resolved and/or improved. the safari and mail apps bother me a lot. hope the update can give me some good news.
i have been waiting for it. leopard works well on my PPC. but there are stills many problems needed to be resolved and/or improved. the safari and mail apps bother me a lot. hope the update can give me some good news.
I would also like to chime in with my experience, as it seems that I hardly ever see anyone writing about good things.
I am on an early 2007 MacBook Pro, I upgraded to Leopard within a week of it's release. I've had a few hiccups, but never anything major. Airport works well, I have an Airport Extreme as my wireless hub. I don't have any issues with it, and I used to have ichat running all night, sometimes for 12 hours at a time, without interuption. I don't have any special features or plugins etc installed. TimeMachine works for me now, at first I had issues because I have a USB HDD attached to the AP Extreme and had it setup incorrectly. But, once I figured out what I was doing, it's worked ever since. I run firefox, which works well. I've run Safari, and never noticed an issue, but I don't run it much. I use Office, Photoshop, Lightroom, Itunes and Firefox mostly. Do I have crashes? Yes, but I don't remember with what or when...which means they are so infrequent and not with anything specific. So, I'd say I have maybe 10% of the issues with my Mac that I do with the Windows PC I have at work.
My biggest issue is I have a dead battery, with only 129 cycles. It's a hardware issue, not software.
All that aside, I'm much happier with my Mac than I was with a Windows PC. It's simple, clean, and does exactly what I want. I have used Windows back to 3.11, I used to work as a Tech Support for the library computers (both public and the librarians personal PCs) of a large university, I've build numerous computers myself, installed Windows of all variations, Many different Linux packages, BeOS 4 and 5 and a couple other runt OSes here and there. I just like my Mac and want people reading to know, that not everyone has the issues many people complain about in here. And to those who are complaining...why don't you use a different OS? Go back to Tiger. Go to Windows, Linux, whatever. I know you spent the money on the OS...I'm sorry for that. I don't know what you can do about that, maybe sell your license to someone else.
A very happy Leopard and Mac user in general.
I am on an early 2007 MacBook Pro, I upgraded to Leopard within a week of it's release. I've had a few hiccups, but never anything major. Airport works well, I have an Airport Extreme as my wireless hub. I don't have any issues with it, and I used to have ichat running all night, sometimes for 12 hours at a time, without interuption. I don't have any special features or plugins etc installed. TimeMachine works for me now, at first I had issues because I have a USB HDD attached to the AP Extreme and had it setup incorrectly. But, once I figured out what I was doing, it's worked ever since. I run firefox, which works well. I've run Safari, and never noticed an issue, but I don't run it much. I use Office, Photoshop, Lightroom, Itunes and Firefox mostly. Do I have crashes? Yes, but I don't remember with what or when...which means they are so infrequent and not with anything specific. So, I'd say I have maybe 10% of the issues with my Mac that I do with the Windows PC I have at work.
My biggest issue is I have a dead battery, with only 129 cycles. It's a hardware issue, not software.
All that aside, I'm much happier with my Mac than I was with a Windows PC. It's simple, clean, and does exactly what I want. I have used Windows back to 3.11, I used to work as a Tech Support for the library computers (both public and the librarians personal PCs) of a large university, I've build numerous computers myself, installed Windows of all variations, Many different Linux packages, BeOS 4 and 5 and a couple other runt OSes here and there. I just like my Mac and want people reading to know, that not everyone has the issues many people complain about in here. And to those who are complaining...why don't you use a different OS? Go back to Tiger. Go to Windows, Linux, whatever. I know you spent the money on the OS...I'm sorry for that. I don't know what you can do about that, maybe sell your license to someone else.
A very happy Leopard and Mac user in general.
Same here, enjoying Mac OS for many years; I love OSX, hate Windows with a vengeance.
However, be advised , Mail and Safari do crash for many users, not just a few.
Safari has several bugs, Leopard is not perfect, and fairly bloated.
Compared to Tiger, I find network and printer setup in Leo more difficult, and at times buggy, same with the finder.
If you are a professional user with a heavy workload and complex workflows, you do have to make ajustments and acquire some basic computer knowledge to have things running flawlessly .
The ease of use, so pleasant most of the time, comes at the expense of lacking customizabilty in some cases, for silly gadgets like dashboard and the horrid search.
Also, the majority of PC users, Mac or Windows, wouldn't recognice issues even if their machine spat on them.
It could be improved. There should be an easier way to turn off indexing without having to faff around dragging icons around in SysPrefs. It is still too resource heavy - the stupid mdworker process sending temperatures soaring and fans into overdrive.
I could live with slower indexing if it went about its business with more consideration for the user rather than stomping around as it does now.
Yeah Classic would be nice. I miss the GUI
I've kept one of our old SE/30 machines running just to play with the old OS. That thing still seems like a horse. It's packed with as much RAM as it can take and has the old color card with greyscale adapter in it. Very cool. To this day it's still the most "personal" personal computer I've ever used.
We even have one Plus we keep up for little kids to use with some of the old dorky games. Little kids love it.
I haven't had any particular problems with 10.5.5, but I certainly would like better graphics drivers. The NVIDIA Direct3D HAL on Win NT 6-type OSs (Vista, 2008, 7) seems to blow Apple's OpenGL implementation out of the water.
As for Spotlight, I personally don't use it that often. The same goes for the indexed Windows Search in Vista. I could probably do without search indexing on any OS and have fewer background processes eating up RAM/CPU, but I have a modern machine, so I figure what the hell.
And I do think 10.6 will have its quirks when first released--all initial RTM releases do. The biggest issue with probably be related to the 64bit-only nature of 10.6--some older programs and kernel extensions will have hiccups.
As for Spotlight, I personally don't use it that often. The same goes for the indexed Windows Search in Vista. I could probably do without search indexing on any OS and have fewer background processes eating up RAM/CPU, but I have a modern machine, so I figure what the hell.
And I do think 10.6 will have its quirks when first released--all initial RTM releases do. The biggest issue with probably be related to the 64bit-only nature of 10.6--some older programs and kernel extensions will have hiccups.