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Mac OS X 10.5 Details?

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MacOSXRumors claims to have some early details on Mac OS X 10.5 (aka Leopard).

According to their sources, Leopard will feature an updated Finder code named "Chardonnay" which will have extensive use of Spotlight alongside an improved user interface and performance improvement.

The interface is reported to improve user browsing by different criteria, much like how users browse music in iTunes.
 
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https://www.macrumors.com/2005/10/21/mac-os-x-10-5-details/
How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???
 
Sounds cool.

I think this kind of stuff really undercuts folks who complain that Apple "only cares about iPods" anymore. In a general fashion, the implementation and expansion of Spotlight owes a lot of inspiration to the search box in iTunes.

In a more specific sense, "I've got a lot of stuff that I need to be able to sift through quickly and easily" is one of the biggest challenges facing UI designers right now. Apple has spent a lot of time, money, and brainpower perfecting many universal concepts for this problem in designing and improving iTunes and the iPod. I have to think they'll be able to something cool applying this thinking to Finder.

I can't wait.
 
Yay Folders!

dylan said:
Sounds good. Finder, as is, is pretty unnecessary.
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I wouldn't call it unnecessary...

However, compared to the Explorer of Windows, it's much less user friendly.

I love folders - what can I say, I think the virtual folder idea is completely pointless...

Even saving files on my Mac is sometimes difficult (choosing where to save them, that is...)
 
It would be great to have a "STOP" button next to stoplight during a search. Sometimes I see what I want immediately after starting a search, I try to click on it but instead I click on something else because it rapidly moved out of my way. If I could instead hit a 'stop' button then I could click on what I want right away. Of course if you hit the 'X' (cancel) button everything disappears. Instead you have to wait for it to grind, grind, grind until it's complete.
 
ryanw said:
How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???
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TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....
 
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
I wouldn't call it unnecessary...

However, compared to the Explorer of Windows, it's much less user friendly.

I love folders - what can I say, I think the virtual folder idea is completely pointless...

Even saving files on my Mac is sometimes difficult (choosing where to save them, that is...)
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The file saving API is pretty nasty. Most new users don't seem to get it. They end up having files all over the place. Good thing there's Spotlight or else they would never find anything.
 
ryanw said:
How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???
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Just delete the application icon (which is a folder containing everything) and delete the related directories in "~/Library/Application Support/".

There is only a small number of apps that leave files in different places. eg: Nortons

I just wouldn't worry too much about it. :p
 
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....
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Early last month I stumbled across this app. It doesn't really cleanup everything perfect, but works good enough to make the OS think it's not installed any more. SO you could reinstall packages. (Thank goodness)
http://www.osxgnu.org/software/pkgdetail.html?project_id=244

But still, apple needs to fix this immediately.
 
zv470 said:
Just delete the application icon (which is a folder containing everything) and delete the related directories in "~/Library/Application Support/".

There is only a small number of apps that leave files in different places. eg: Nortons

I just wouldn't worry too much about it. :p
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Sorry bro, but you don't even understand the problem at all.. Think about this. Lets say you install iTunes update 6.0.1 PACKAGE. How do you uninstall the update? Or something even more trivial, lets say you install iDVD and all the suplimentals. How do you remove it? Ok, so lets say you just drag everything into the trash.. OK, that's fine.. but then over time your OS will still want you to get iDVD updates because it thinks it's still installed and ONTOP of that if you DO want iDVD installed, when you goto install it off the disks, it thinks you already have it installed so it won't let you.

That is the problem... There is no 'simple solution'.
 
ryanw said:
Sorry bro, but you don't even understand the problem at all.. Think about this. Lets say you install iTunes update 6.0.1 PACKAGE. How do you uninstall the update? Or something even more trivial, lets say you install iDVD and all the suplimentals. How do you remove it? Ok, so lets say you just drag everything into the trash.. OK, that's fine.. but then over time your OS will still want you to get iDVD updates because it thinks it's still installed and ONTOP of that if you DO want iDVD installed, when you goto install it off the disks, it thinks you already have it installed so it won't let you.

That is the problem... There is no 'simple solution'.
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hmm, true. Yeah or... say you install an OSX update... but its buggy... and want to go back to the last version. true.
 
Mac OSX 10.5, really and I have just upgraded to Mac OSX 10.4

Well hopefully it wont come out for ages, I don't want to buy more upgrades yet....
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Mac OSX 10.5, really and I have just upgraded to Mac OSX 10.4

Well hopefully it wont come out for ages, I don't want to buy more upgrades yet....
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I don't think this is coming out for another year at least.
 
Maybe... Leopard... should keep an installation log... and when you delete the app's icon (folder) it asks "delete associated files? Y/N"
 
zv470 said:
hmm, true. Yeah or... say you install an OSX update... but its buggy... and want to go back to the last version. true.
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That's true. You could just wait until you know that's it's reasonably safe.
 
I hope Apple REALLY takes their time, and gets Leopard right.

Tiger is a train wreck. Buggy. Poorly designed. Many, many flaws.

And Longhorn, as much as I hate to say it, is shaping up to be a solid OS.

Apple needs to make 10.5 a huge leapfrog, and Jobs better put that famous polish and demanding requests into it. There are other parts to Apple other than the new Nano.

Personally, I am excited for Leopard, and I think Apple will get it right since Jobs gets to show up Gates again. Make Windows Vista look soo--2001.

But they better take their time, add a ton of features which make the upgrade worth it. And for the love of god, make sure it is of commercial quality. After the mess that is Tiger, we deserve it.
 
BWhaler said:
I hope Apple REALLY takes their time, and gets Leopard right.

Tiger is a train wreck. Buggy. Poorly designed. Many, many flaws.

And Longhorn, as much as I hate to say it, is shaping up to be a solid OS.
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Point 1: Sure, I think most of us want that.

Point 2: Huh?? I don't think you'll find very many people on this site to agree with you on that one.

Point 3: I'll believe it when I see it.
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Mac OSX 10.5, really and I have just upgraded to Mac OSX 10.4

Well hopefully it wont come out for ages, I don't want to buy more upgrades yet....
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So don't buy it when it first comes out.

I, on the other hand, want 10.5 out as soon as humanly possible if these rumored updates are true. Better, serious support for metadata is my top wish from 10.5, and this information is sounding real good. Right now, the Finder is a joke, and metadata support is a joke. Make a kick-ass Finder, give the user endless possibilities with metadata, and Mac OS X will be a hell of an operating system.
 
It'd be nice if there was a more powerful way to batch edit metadata for documents. If I could do this effectively I might be able to rely on smart folders more often. The "piles"/"stacks" document sorting system has promise (similar to the feature rumored for Pather or the photo organizing features in Aperture). Overall, I'm happy with Finder for 90% of my tasks. Spotlight could be faster, but that's just because my computer is a few years old.

I'm happy with Tiger and Leopard is a long way off, so I don't want to start picking holes in 10.4 just yet. I might come across something I really need/want and then have to wait 13 months to get it fixed...
:rolleyes:
 
mad jew said:
ryanw, that's not normal. How exactly do you delete apps because it shouldn't be doing that.
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You're missing the point. This is to do with "packages". There are several apps such as iMovie, iTunes, iDVD, Final Cut Pro, etc. that are installed as "packages". They're not the run of the mill "drag the application into the /Applications Folder" installation. For example, if you install Garageband and ALL the jampacks on your powerbook, you might be running of out disk space so you think to yourself, "Oh, I should remove some of these 4GB jam packs that I don't use very much." There is no easy way to just go into 'System Preferences' and goto 'Add/Remove Programs' and select the jampack and have it remove all the stuff that it installed all over your harddrive.

Instead, you have to be knowledgable enough to go around looking for where everything is and manually delete it while trying to not delete the jampacks you want to keep on the system. And even still, unless you find and remove the '.pkg' file in /Library/Receipts/ the system will still believe it's installed and look for updates to that package in software update.

You could just say, "Screw the people that don't know unix and don't know how to selectivly delete files." But that doesn't seem to fit with the whole 'user experience'. Linux has RPM's for package management. As much as I hate RPM, at least I can back out an RPM. Solaris has a PKG system too.... you can backout/uninstall packages on Solaris..... AIX has an incredible package management system. Extremely complex system that the ability to not just 'revert' a revision, it can revert an entire upgrade very easily.

Package Management systems have been around in unix systems for years and years. Apple decided it was too hard to make a good one, so they ignored it all together.
 
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