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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard 9A321 Seeded

joeshell383 said:
Stop it with the seasons. Just use months!
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But it's so much fun messing with the minds of the northern hemisphere folks.

Two things will NOT happen at MWSF.

1. Release of Leopard.
2. Announcement of shipping date.

The shipping date will be announced two weeks prior to shipping, Macs purchased in the window will be eligible for the free (plus postage and handling) upgrade to Leopard, any Macs bought before the announcement won't be eligible.

Apple won't be extending this policy out to nearly three months by announcing a date at MWSF.

I guess most of the people expecting some sort of definite announcement at MWSF are experiencing their first OSX 10.x upgrade. The last two shipping dates were announced by surprise online with little to no prior fanfare from Apple, certainly not a major show. There is also a long way to go before the OS will be ready, we still haven't seen developer builds with very few features, let alone release candidates.

Leopard won't be till March at least, with the shipping date announced 2 weeks ahead of time.
 
geerlingguy said:
Apple once had a crazy scheme they were going to use with OSX with 'red box' or 'orange box' or 'blue box' (some colors, I don't remember which ones...) for versions of OS X to run on PowerPC, Intel, etc., along with a version of OS X server.
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This isn't correct... the "boxes" were not different versions of Mac OS X but code names (coined based on the color of their boxes on a slide set) for application development/runtime environments (components of Mac OS X).

"Blue box" was the code name for the Classic Mac OS compatibility environment that is part of Mac OS X that loads Mac OS 9 inside of Mac OS X for Classic applications. It was never something that Apple attempted to sell or package separately.

"Yellow Box" was the code name for the OpenStep framework that became the Cocoa framework on Mac OS X, one of the main/major application development environments on Mac OS X. Again it was never something that Apple was going to sell or package separately.

"Yellow Box for Windows", in many ways a hold over from OpenStep / NeXT, was an implementation of the OpenStep framework that could be installed on top of Microsoft Windows. It allowed (fat) OpenStep applications to run on Windows systems. Apple never really did anything with this once they purchased NeXT and it died soon afterwards (Apple dropped licensing and support of it).

"Red Box" is in general a myth.

I don't think the Carbon environment ever got a "box" color... but it has been a while (looking for the old Rhapsody slide sets). Basically the Carbon name was already defined / known so they didn't have to give it a place holder name like the others.
 
Isn't it exciting to guess when the next OSX version comes out? For sure everyone here buys whatever Apple produces whenever it's available.. so the guessing is actually useless :)

We are mad people.
 
Lepton said:
My guess is that they are wrapping up the pre-MWSF development of Leopard.

At MWSF, they will announce those 'top secret' features, which I believe will include a new Finder, new visual look, Blu-Ray stuff, new wireless stuff like pre-n for iTV and other things, better Bluetooth for new iPods, etc. Tons of stuff. I also expect several amazing hardware announcements. They will also announce a Leopard release date.

They will have folded a bunch of this in and will release a new Leopard preview to developers, who finally will start testing the whole shebang. Other than that, not much will happen at MWSF.
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I sure hope you're right about all that!
 
Lepton said:
My guess is that they are wrapping up the pre-MWSF development of Leopard.

At MWSF, they will announce those 'top secret' features, which I believe will include a new Finder, new visual look, Blu-Ray stuff, new wireless stuff like pre-n for iTV and other things, better Bluetooth for new iPods, etc. Tons of stuff. I also expect several amazing hardware announcements. They will also announce a Leopard release date.

They will have folded a bunch of this in and will release a new Leopard preview to developers, who finally will start testing the whole shebang. Other than that, not much will happen at MWSF.
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Lepton,
I agree with you on most of your comments. The only thing I am pretty sure might not happen is "I also expect several amazing hardware announcements" Historically Apple introduces no more than 2 new hardware products at MWSF. Plus, the keynote is no longer than 2 hours in duration. So with:
•Leopard Preview
•state of Apple (mac sales, itunes sales, ipod sales, market share, etc.)
•new iLife and iWork demonstration
•2 new products (iPhone and new smaller Mac Book?)

That will take most of Steve's time.

I am trying to be realistic here. Most of the time people have a huge list of things that will happen and then after the keynote the whole whining starts. But, I guess this is a norm in any rumors site anyway!:p
 
gugy said:
I am trying to be realistic here. Most of the time people have a huge list of things that will happen and then after the keynote the whole whining starts. But, I guess this is a norm in any rumors site anyway!:p
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Amen to that! Soon there will be part of the social system devoted purely to 'online-digital-products-release-date-rumours-addiction-syndrome-rehabilitationism'...;)
 
arn said:
There is Mac OS X Server and Client (regular). Beyond that, there haven't been further breakdowns.

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

arn
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And furthermore, the difference between an XP Pro install and an XP home or Media Center install is purely skin deep. A few utilities are removed from the System32 folder which disables some of the more advanced system configuration features, the features are still there however, and can be acessed via more cryptic means. Basically Microsoft is charging twice as much for exactly the same product with only a few of the teeth removed from the cheaper verison. Ahh, Brand Management at its most spectacular. Someone, before SP2 came out, released a utility that would replace and properly configure all of the files which were removed. Media center, by contrast has some BS media features which rarely if ever get used mainly because of the fact that media center's biggest install base is laptops which are rarely used as media centers.
 
Diving the Yongala!

Chundles said:
Salads, fresh fruit, cold cuts of meat, fresh delicious seafood, at the beach. On Christmas Day.... :D

But enough of that, people, Leopard will not be released for about another 3 months. If it were to be released at MWSF it would be either in Gold Master stage or about a week away. It's not, it's not even close.

Leopard in March folks, not January.
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The last time I was in Australia on Christmas I was diving the wreck of the Yongala off of Port Douglas.

I wish I was doing that this year. :(
 
mixgrafix said:
The last time I was in Australia on Christmas I was diving the wreck of the Yongala off of Port Douglas.

I wish I was doing that this year. :(
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Oooo, awesome.

Might be spending Chrissy Day at my grandfather's place on Sydney Harbour. We're trying to change it to Boxing Day so we can watch the start of the Sydney to Hobart yacht race.

I think the bloke up further who listed 4 items for the MWSF keynote got it just right. No Leopard release or shipping announcement, just a big-arse preview of it and iLife '07/iWork '07.
 
metfoo said:
The interface has the same small improvements that previous seeds have had. Theres nothing dramatically new in this seed.

I basically meant the overall OS is looking more and more liek a finished product. I havent had any random crashes due to major bugs in the applications. The installer is MUCH nicer and user freindly. In 10.3 and 10.4 builds, the installer was one of teh last things to get modified.

I havent played around too much, because the seed just came out yesterday.
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Let your mouse pointer hover over a Safari tab... :)

say no more
 
Chundles said:
Salads, fresh fruit, cold cuts of meat, fresh delicious seafood, at the beach. On Christmas Day.... :D
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Big deal. I had that too, growing up and I grew up in the Northern Hemisphere - In Hawaii. And don't forget those who live in Florida.
 
shawnce said:
...or most southern states and of course southern/central California.
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Bah. If you ignore the "beach" part, I can get all those things you are talking about in Minnesota............ at a grocery store.......... with exception of the fresh seafood, but that's impossible to snag this far inland, unless you dine at one of the three places that has fresh frozen seafood delivered in daily. I, personally am fine with week-old frozen seafood from Red Lobster. Plus their biscuits are mmm mmm mmm... damn... that sounds good.

And to add something relevant so this post doesn't get deleted, "yay for Macs."

-Clive
 
Clive At Five said:
Bah. If you ignore the "beach" part, I can get all those things you are talking about in Minnesota............ at a grocery store.......... with exception of the fresh seafood, but that's impossible to snag this far inland, unless you dine at one of the three places that has fresh frozen seafood delivered in daily. I, personally am fine with week-old frozen seafood from Red Lobster. Plus their biscuits are mmm mmm mmm... damn... that sounds good.

And to add something relevant so this post doesn't get deleted, "yay for Macs."

-Clive
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I pity the fool who thinks Red Lobster is real seafood!
 
Chundles said:
But it's so much fun messing with the minds of the northern hemisphere folks.

Two things will NOT happen at MWSF.

1. Release of Leopard.
2. Announcement of shipping date.

The shipping date will be announced two weeks prior to shipping, Macs purchased in the window will be eligible for the free (plus postage and handling) upgrade to Leopard, any Macs bought before the announcement won't be eligible.

Apple won't be extending this policy out to nearly three months by announcing a date at MWSF.

I guess most of the people expecting some sort of definite announcement at MWSF are experiencing their first OSX 10.x upgrade. The last two shipping dates were announced by surprise online with little to no prior fanfare from Apple, certainly not a major show. There is also a long way to go before the OS will be ready, we still haven't seen developer builds with very few features, let alone release candidates.

Leopard won't be till March at least, with the shipping date announced 2 weeks ahead of time.
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Not expecting a real shipping date, but more of a confirmation that "Leopard is right on schedule for an <insert late or early> SPRING release".

Yes... Spring. definitely.
That means you lot on the bottom of the earth will have to wait about 6 months for it.
:D
 
Josephkyles said:
I pity the fool who thinks Red Lobster is real seafood!
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Ha! You got that right! But that's (generally) what's different about folks in the midwest - they just don't care about or even know about good/real/organic/pure food. Check out the difference between the food joints in the Portland, OR airport which serves good, fresh, organic, REAL food and the St Paul, MN airport which serves hotdogs, donuts, and hamburgers. I'm from Oregon and man I just about starved in the St Paul, MN airport. I finally found the Maui Taco stand hidden way over in the corner. ORD has good Pizza ;) But, yea, generally in the midwest USA it's harder to find fast food joints with good, fresh food than out on the west coast. At least that's my experience.

Let the flaming begin ;)
 
seafood

yay for me living in new england

and "yay for macs"


and yay for my Wii i'm gonna buy this weekend! All those rumors of iTV/some kind of gaming might be true. The Wii looks and feels like an apple product. Even their menu scheme screams aqua. :)
 
New Finder? New Finder! New Finder. New Finder?!?

Lepton said:
...At MWSF, they will announce those 'top secret' features, which I believe will include a new Finder,
...
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That would be enough for me right there. My biggest complaints have always been 1) the finder, and 2) no built-in virtual desktops (yay for Apple-supported virtual desktops!).

Let's see a new finder! Say it with me now: NEW FINDER!
 
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