I think it may be released at Mac World or when iTV is released because it will be required to take full advantage of new wireless and multimedia stuff Apple will be putting out.
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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard 9A321 Seeded
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Yep. We won't see Leopard released until Autumn, I've got my money on very, very late March.
I don't even hope for a MWSF release, it's waaaay too close for it to go from what it is now to a fully stable OSX release. It would need to be in manufacturing now for a MWSF release, not seeing just another developer seed.
Won't be at MWSF. We may see "iTV" at MWSF because it has it's own little OS and a simple 10.4.x update could include it as supported hardware. But to be honest I think March is going to be a massive month.
Or 10.4.A...
Since it isn't really a number, we could always mix and match decimal and hex.
No, Leopard in Autumn (March) not Summer (January).
It's now less than four weeks till MWSF, do you honestly think Apple are going to seed a number of release candidates and a gold master and then go into production in that time? No.
Apple themselves said Northern Hemisphere Spring so MWSF is totally out of the question.
And, for the record, that's something that Windows will NEVER offer in one package...thanks, Apple.
But I second Chundles on this, being a guy from the South living in the North...
Leopard next Spring North/Autumn South, NOT Winter North/Summer South...
There's a lot more to Tiger than Dashboard and Spotlight. We have a computer in our office running Panther and there are so many little things that it doesn't have that it's a pleasure to go back to using Tiger afterwards.
As a select developer with Apple's ADC, I can safely say that there's a lot in Leopard that developers have been crying out for. I would expect that a big reason to upgrade will be because many applications with some very nifty features will only be supported on Leopard.
Apple once had a crazy scheme they were going to use with OSX with 'red box' or 'orange box' or 'blue box' (some colors, I don't remember which ones...) for versions of OS X to run on PowerPC, Intel, etc., along with a version of OS X server.
But then someone knocked some sense into Apple again and consolidated it all into OS X client (which we run) and OS X server, with different price points.
And many years ago, Apple sold Mac OS, Apple PRODOS, and some other variants for the Apple ][, Macintosh, and Lisa computers all at the same time...
But never has Apple charged people ridiculous prices (like that of Vista Business) for features which should be included in the standard OS package.
Hey metfoo... what do you mean by that? First you say this build has been consistent, and then you say it appears to be much cleaner than previous builds (sounds like a contradiction). And which build are you talking about? 9A326?
Read the thread first....9A321 was the one just seeded. He said the interface was consistent, meaning the look is the same as previous builds.
But he says it "appears to be much cleaner than previous builds". Doesn't sound the same to me
But he says it "appears to be much cleaner than previous builds". Doesn't sound the same to me
Obviously he wants to say more, but can't due to his NDA
WHAT THE HELL SEASON IS IT????!! SOMEONE STOP THIS MADNESS!!!
Oh and for the record, Leopard will be released in Smarch.
Some what... I believe that all 4 versions of Vista will be on 1 DVD. There will be 4 different boxes though, depending on how elaborate you want your version to be.
You will be able to upgrade your Version of Vista buy just buying a new key, but you will be able to use the same DVD you have.
But I get your point... Apple makes it simple (1 version) but Windows seems to be getting more complicated.
You will be able to upgrade your Version of Vista buy just buying a new key, but you will be able to use the same DVD you have.
But I get your point... Apple makes it simple (1 version) but Windows seems to be getting more complicated.
Mac OSX has always had "Server" and "Client" versions.
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/
and
Non-server (which you would refer to as "home" I guess)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/index.html
One thing I really like about Apple OS updates is they are either cheap or free. They tend NOT to break things that already work unlike what DOS and especially windows did. Extreme version for MS apps.
Rocketman
The interface has the same small improvements that previous seeds have had. Theres nothing dramatically new in this seed.
I basically meant the overall OS is looking more and more liek a finished product. I havent had any random crashes due to major bugs in the applications. The installer is MUCH nicer and user freindly. In 10.3 and 10.4 builds, the installer was one of teh last things to get modified.
I havent played around too much, because the seed just came out yesterday.
I basically meant the overall OS is looking more and more liek a finished product. I havent had any random crashes due to major bugs in the applications. The installer is MUCH nicer and user freindly. In 10.3 and 10.4 builds, the installer was one of teh last things to get modified.
I havent played around too much, because the seed just came out yesterday.
In Apple language...
"upgrade" = major revision = 10.3.x (Panther) to 10.4 (Tiger) = paid for (retail box) or with new systems
"update" = minor revision = 10.4.7 to 10.4.8 = free, available via software update
Look at it this way: MS sets a base price of $199. Then they say, "for each different version, we can separate the MSRP by $50 or $100." Lastly they say, "How many versions can we cram in." Then answer is four, and the result is a $399 payment on the only complete OS in the Windows Vista lineup.
For reference XP Pro was $299, and even that was ridiculous. I'd rather pay $169 every 18 months for a "Pro" OS that was stadle and had rockin' features rather than $399 every 5 years for an OS that won't be stable until SP1 and will require a hardware upgrade to run.
Oh, by the way, my 800MHz iMac runs Tiger like a dream and the same will probably be true with Leopard (I may need more RAM though). Try running Vista on a 5-year-old PC... yeah right.
-Clive
That's not quite right actually... Yellow Box was an implementation of what is now the Cocoa framework which was ported to run on Windows. Broadly speaking, it would allow you to run any Cocoa application natively on Windows using the familiar Cocoa user interface elements present in Mac OS X prior to public release and previously in OpenStep.
Blue Box still exists in Mac OS X as the Classic runtime environment. It was called Blue Box as a code name before Mac OS X was released.
Wrapping up for Phase II
My guess is that they are wrapping up the pre-MWSF development of Leopard.
At MWSF, they will announce those 'top secret' features, which I believe will include a new Finder, new visual look, Blu-Ray stuff, new wireless stuff like pre-n for iTV and other things, better Bluetooth for new iPods, etc. Tons of stuff. I also expect several amazing hardware announcements. They will also announce a Leopard release date.
They will have folded a bunch of this in and will release a new Leopard preview to developers, who finally will start testing the whole shebang. Other than that, not much will happen at MWSF.
My guess is that they are wrapping up the pre-MWSF development of Leopard.
At MWSF, they will announce those 'top secret' features, which I believe will include a new Finder, new visual look, Blu-Ray stuff, new wireless stuff like pre-n for iTV and other things, better Bluetooth for new iPods, etc. Tons of stuff. I also expect several amazing hardware announcements. They will also announce a Leopard release date.
They will have folded a bunch of this in and will release a new Leopard preview to developers, who finally will start testing the whole shebang. Other than that, not much will happen at MWSF.
Stop It!!!
Stop it with the seasons. Just use months!
And, for the record, that's something that Windows will NEVER offer in one package...thanks, Apple.
But I second Chundles on this, being a guy from the South living in the North...
Leopard next Spring North/Autumn South, NOT Winter North/Summer South...
Stop it with the seasons. Just use months!
Chundles is in Australia, and some of us Aussies (just speaking for myself here) don't like the fact that most of the net is Ameri-centric, so we prefer so speak in our own seasons/currencies/slang etc., even when it's clearly less practical.
You're right that Boxes were parts of the OS, not the OS itself. You're also right about the Blue Box.
But you're wrong about Yellow Box.
Yellow Box IS what was renamed Cocoa. Yellow Box (now Cocoa) is part of all versions of Mac OS X, it's not a Windows thing in itself.
What you're describing is what was appropriately called "Yellow Box for Windows", and as we know was never released (though OpenStep did have its APIs available to run under Windows).
It should be noted that Quicktime for Windows includes a good chunk of the Carbon APIs, to run the player and iTunes (and that overhead explains why iTunes for Windows is slower than on the Mac).
There was also the Red Box, which was rumored to be Win32 APIs on Mac OS X, pretty much like some think may be included in Leopard, but certainly won't, as Apple officially stated that 10.5 won't include Windows virtualization or APIs.